Horrible. Two girls. Apparently a victim retaliated against her bully. People need Jesus.

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/03/10/middle-school-killeen-texas-placed-lockdown-after-student-was-injured/

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"Killeen ISD is deeply saddened to share the tragic news that happened at Roy J. Middle School," said said Karen Rudolph with Killeen ISD. "Our hearts go out to the family, friends and school community as we grieve a heartbreaking loss today."

At about 11:25 a.m., an altercation between two students resulted in a stabbing, said KISD Chief of Police Erik Hydorn. The attacker was quickly apprehended and the student who was stabbed was quickly transported to the Karl R. Darnell Army Medical Center.

"The victim succumbed to her injuries" at the hospital, Hydorn further said. A homicide investigation is underway. Police did not clarify whether the attacker was a male or female student

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If it was a victim of bullying retaliating, I can understand it. Schools will often do nothing to stop bullying that has gone far beyond the normal stuff kids do to one another, or at least used to do to one another.

Killing the person was wrong, but sometimes the victim of persistent and extreme bullying feels like he or she has no other option but violence.

Glad I won't be on the jury.

This bully had been removed from the school and then put back after some period of time. Lord have mercy.

Rapier108 said:

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If it was a victim of bullying retaliating, I can understand it. Schools will often do nothing to stop bullying that has gone far beyond the normal stuff kids do to one another, or at least used to do to one another.

Killing the person was wrong, but sometimes the victim of persistent and extreme bullying feels like he or she has no other option but violence.

Glad I won't be on the jury.

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the students involved may only be 11 or 12 or 13 years old

not sure these cases go to a jury

School don't care about normies being bullied. Now if they were LGBTQ+ status, it takes you from "literally no one cares how suicidal/enraged the endless torment is making you" to "They didn't use your correct pronouns that one time?! They're going to jail for life!"

Sad but true

I feel bad for kid who was killed. I feel worse for kid who felt she had to do it.
I googled, "does Killeen Isd use Restorative discipilne"? Yes, they do.
I googled restorative discipline. As defined," It allows students to reflect upon and grow from errors in judgement and conflicts without being sent out of classroom. It is repair process, and kids evaluate harm done."
If anyone here thinks that a kid as young as 6 or 7 would not use that process to his or her advantage and get out of consequences? Anyone here think a kid wouldnt lie if it would save his neck?
Go to TEA website about restorative discipline-- shows group of damn experts with brief cases, who maybe taught a few years ready to "plan" and come to your school district. Mofos dont know anything about kids.

Possibly self defense?

My wife's middle school does something similar "restorative discipline" although I don't recall that term being specifically used. Her idiot principal created the "reset room" where the cretin is sent to "reflect" on their actions before being returned to the classroom.

As I have said so many times before, the single biggest problem (and there are many) in public schools is not kicking out the habitual offenders. Get them out.

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School don't care about normies being bullied. Now if they were LGBTQ+ status, it takes you from "literally no one cares how suicidal/enraged the endless torment is making you" to "They didn't use your correct pronouns that one time?! They're going to jail for life!"

Sad but true

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This is 100% True !!!!

Urban Ag said:

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My wife's middle school does something similar "restorative discipline" although I don't recall that term being specifically used. Her idiot principal created the "reset room" where the cretin is sent to "reflect" on their actions before being returned to the classroom.

As I have said so many times before, the single biggest problem (and there are many) in public schools is not kicking out the habitual offenders. Get them out.

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In this case, I am told that the bully had assaulted the victim (now stabber) on multiple previous occasions, was sent to DAEP (or whatever the correct term is), and they could not handle her there, so they ultimately sent her back to her regular school. Today was her first day back.

Carl.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Urban Ag said:

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My wife's middle school does something similar "restorative discipline" although I don't recall that term being specifically used. Her idiot principal created the "reset room" where the cretin is sent to "reflect" on their actions before being returned to the classroom.

As I have said so many times before, the single biggest problem (and there are many) in public schools is not kicking out the habitual offenders. Get them out.

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In this case, I am told that the bully had assaulted the victim (now stabber) on multiple previous occasions, was sent to DAEP (or whatever the correct term is), and they could not handle her there, so they ultimately sent her back to her regular school. Today was her first day back.

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Completely not shocking whatsoever.

Owlagdad said:

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I feel bad for kid who was killed. I feel worse for kid who felt she had to do it.
I googled, "does Killeen Isd use Restorative discipilne"? Yes, they do.
I googled restorative discipline. As defined," It allows students to reflect upon and grow from errors in judgement and conflicts without being sent out of classroom. It is repair process, and kids evaluate harm done."
If anyone here thinks that a kid as young as 6 or 7 would not use that process to his or her advantage and get out of consequences? Anyone here think a kid wouldnt lie if it would save his neck?
Go to TEA website about restorative discipline-- shows group of damn experts with brief cases, who maybe taught a few years ready to "plan" and come to your school district. Mofos dont know anything about kids.

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If I could point to one thing(there many good reasons) it is what you wrote above why my kids didn't spend 1 sec in a public school setting.

Have no doubt, all the adults in those kids lives failed them miserably.

I will be shocked if someone is even reprimanded. If they started firing principle like captains on a military ship I think you would find out the result would be better schools.

I've read that knife fights are "cultural" in certain demographic communities

I can remember bullying back in the early 1960's when I was in Junior High (as we called it then). It was generally about 3 guys jumping on 1.

FCBlitz said:

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Have no doubt, all the adults in those kids lives failed them miserably.

I will be shocked if someone is even reprimanded. If they started firing principle like captains on a military ship I think you would find out the result would be better schools.

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Given the demographics of the school, it might be easier to find a new prinicpal than finding a two parent household. that's the real issue

A lot of kids in school come from broken households. I can't imagine what it must be like growing up as a young teen, and not having both parents. Tragic all around.

Junction71 said:

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I can remember bullying back in the early 1960's when I was in Junior High (as we called it then). It was generally about 3 guys jumping on 1.

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This victim was beaten up several times by the bully, apparently. So not just 2025 meanie stuff.

Not that it matters, still horrible for both parties, but I'm wondering what the weapon was. I assume a knife, but the article didn't say, and I'd be curious what kind of knife.

FCBlitz said:

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Owlagdad said:

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I feel bad for kid who was killed. I feel worse for kid who felt she had to do it.
I googled, "does Killeen Isd use Restorative discipilne"? Yes, they do.
I googled restorative discipline. As defined," It allows students to reflect upon and grow from errors in judgement and conflicts without being sent out of classroom. It is repair process, and kids evaluate harm done."
If anyone here thinks that a kid as young as 6 or 7 would not use that process to his or her advantage and get out of consequences? Anyone here think a kid wouldnt lie if it would save his neck?
Go to TEA website about restorative discipline-- shows group of damn experts with brief cases, who maybe taught a few years ready to "plan" and come to your school district. Mofos dont know anything about kids.

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If I could point to one thing(there many good reasons) it is what you wrote above why my kids didn't spend 1 sec in a public school setting.

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And then you hear the argument that the school vouchers in Texas will destroy the public schools. Then an incident like this occurs and provides affirmation that it is probably a good thing to shake up the current system.

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Damn that's sad.

Lord of the flies for those childs left behind from vouchers

oldord said:

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Lord of the flies for those childs left behind from vouchers

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How would this have been prevented by trapping other kids in a school that appears to be full of neglect and terrible liberal discipline policies?

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Urban Ag said:

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My wife's middle school does something similar "restorative discipline" although I don't recall that term being specifically used. Her idiot principal created the "reset room" where the cretin is sent to "reflect" on their actions before being returned to the classroom.

As I have said so many times before, the single biggest problem (and there are many) in public schools is not kicking out the habitual offenders. Get them out.

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In this case, I am told that the bully had assaulted the victim (now stabber) on multiple previous occasions, was sent to DAEP (or whatever the correct term is), and they could not handle her there, so they ultimately sent her back to her regular school. Today was her first day back.

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Wow. Sounds like the school district is going to be facing two lawsuits. One from the deceased's family and one from the victim's family.

Urban Ag said:

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My wife's middle school does something similar "restorative discipline" although I don't recall that term being specifically used. Her idiot principal created the "reset room" where the cretin is sent to "reflect" on their actions before being returned to the classroom.

As I have said so many times before, the single biggest problem (and there are many) in public schools is not kicking out the habitual offenders. Get them out.

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When school funding is tied to butts in the desk, there will be no changes.

The only way to stop this sort of nondiscipline is to sue the school district for child endangerment on behalf of the victim of bullying...especially if there had been multiple assaults leading up to it.

Gotta start holding districts accountable. Only then will they be motivated enough to get these heathens out of the classroom.

I always wonder what would happen to a parent if a bully like the dead POS was beaten up badly by a parent off campus? Obviously the current school solutions didn't work to solve the problem.

What I've never understood relative to these situations...WHY do today's kids resort to murder as a solution?? Yes...I'm and 'old'...graduated HS in '64 but as best I can remember, we NEVER even considered murder of another student or teacher. Fist fight among the guys and afterwards it was over. Winner was perhaps congratulated and the loser consoled. Didn't happen between them again because everyone knew the probable outcome beforehand. We all knew the serious consequences AND they would be administered in short order.

How the hell did we arrive at this situation in our schools??? WHAT is wrong with people???

deddog said:

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FCBlitz said:

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Have no doubt, all the adults in those kids lives failed them miserably.

I will be shocked if someone is even reprimanded. If they started firing principle like captains on a military ship I think you would find out the result would be better schools.

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Given the demographics of the school, it might be easier to find a new prinicpal than finding a two parent household. that's the real issue

A lot of kids in school come from broken households. I can't imagine what it must be like growing up as a young teen, and not having both parents. Tragic all around.

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This is the foundational issue. And it will do no good to fire a principal already handcuffed by the system just to bring in a new principal who will be likewise handcuffed.

Exactly.

Generally speaking these types of things are on the parents, not the school.

agsalaska said:

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Exactly.

Generally speaking these types of things are on the parents, not the school.

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oldord said:

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Lord of the flies for those childs left behind from vouchers

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Were these children left behind by vouchers?

agent-maroon said:

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I've read that knife fights are "cultural" in certain demographic communities

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You don't say??