US position on Ukrainian Minerals

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Red Red Wine said:

I think folks are missing a bigger world view on the rare earths push by Trump and staff.

China currently controls almost all rare earth minerals. We need to secure alternate sources of minerals. If Ukraine is sitting on a ton of metals we should make a deal to get them to market and loosen China's controlling position

The plus is that it helps drive peace between Ukraine and Russia by default. US heavily invested gives the US more of an "interest" in preventing Russia from continuing their aggression. And Russia now knows they aren't just going to be fighting Ukraine if they continue.

Take a bigger view and you might see the "smart" in it that it really is.


You beat me to the punch. For those on here who say Trump doesn't really care about the mineral rights deal with Ukraine...they are simply wrong. If that were true, that then means Trump does not care about our almost total dependence on China for minerals, pharmaceuticals, etc. which we all know he does care considering his economic war on China since 2016 (which Biden extended).

The larger strategic assumption that people are missing was flat out communicated by Rubio this last week. The Trump admin is wanting to pull Russia back into western civilization and away from China's sphere through economic and security partnerships. Thus, if we negotiate an economic arrangement with Ukraine (via mineral rights) and not a military arrangement (NATO) then that resets the partnership with Russia to economic negotiation and away from kinetic conflicts.

Will Russia come into our fold? Nobody knows. But we sure as **** should be trying since Clinton and Bush I squandered the opportunity post '91 which is arguably the biggest blunder in modern geopolitical history.
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LOYAL AG said:

nortex97 said:

Update: it appears to be true the pro-war Democrats advised Zelensky to reject the deal a third time an hour before he went to the White House. NY Post:
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A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky's disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room.
Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room but it was the wrong room.

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

"Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine," Murphy's office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.

He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.

Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.
Logan Act, obviously. Thune/Johnson need to remove any congress critters involved from any committees as well.
So we have members of Congress meeting with foreign leaders expressly to undermine the president? Yeah, thats illegal.
Yes. And the incredible thing is, he was cheering on our role in the 2014 Nuland revolution in Ukraine, as chairman at the time of the subcommittee on European Affairs.

He's basically been wrong…the entire time. He's skipping Trump's joint houses speech this week, but promises to 'flood the zone with truth.' Sure thing, pal.
BigFred
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You beat me to the punch. For those on here who say Trump doesn't really care about the mineral rights deal with Ukraine...they are simply wrong.

Trump is not a peace maker; he is a profiteer........ First and foremost!!
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nortex97 said:

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Loss of Ukraine as a key buffer of the west for Russia is the explicit stated reason for this conflict - stripping aside other geopolitical imperatives.
Well, I don't agree with this premise, so not much to debate/discuss. I don't really care one iota who runs Kiev or the Donbas, and fewer than 5 percent of Americans could find Crimea or the Donetsk People's Republic on a map.
I'll bet fewer than 5% of Americans could find Iowa or Indiana on a map.
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BigFred said:

YouBet said:




You beat me to the punch. For those on here who say Trump doesn't really care about the mineral rights deal with Ukraine...they are simply wrong.

Trump is not a peace maker; he is a profiteer........ First and foremost!!


Were you born in 2021? Do you not remember Trump ending Obama's ISIS very quickly once he loosened ROE?

Do you not remember all of the non-wars and kinetic conflicts we were not in during his first term after he ended ISIS?

How in the world can you be this obtuse or this much of a liar? Lol.
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This whole thing is a gigantic mess. Zelensky wants a security guarantee, and that is something we have never ever done before prior to negotiating. The problem is, and Zelensky is right about this, is that Russia has never kept up their end of the deal with Putin in charge. And truth be told, we haven't been great about it either. And Trump is also right in that Putin hasn't broken a deal with the US while Trump is President. But Trump won't be President in four years, and Zelensky wants some kind of assurance that we'll have his back when 1/20/2029 rolls around. From Putin's perspective, he can sign any kind of deal he wants, wait four years and use that time to rebuild and regroup, and then break whatever deal is in place as long as we aren't backing Ukraine. And we'll be back in the same mess we are now.

jamey
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Hard to imagine US companies investing billions in Ukraine based on a deal between 1 US president and Putin
revvie
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Its easily to imagine that than them spending billions to make Gaza the Riviera of the Middle East.
jamey
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revvie said:

Its easily to imagine that than them spending billions to make Gaza the Riviera of the Middle East.


Both situations offer a great opportunity to literally blow up billions of dollars.

Ukraine seems more solvable if Putin goes away one way or another. Hamas is is more complicated, not 1 person
Bondag
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He wants something lasting without Ukraine joining NATO. If USA invests in minerals and send people and equipment they will protect those assets without a formal agreement to protect all Ukraine anytime anywhere.
Zobel
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Again - how does this not escalate US-Russian tensions?
pfo
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If Trump wants to make it even clearer to Zelenskyy and Ukraine, he could say we will just make a mineral deal with Russia once Russia has all their minerals and rare earths plus Ukraine's.
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PA24 said:

I don't think Ukraine has the commercial minerals they claim they have and that is why Z wouldn't sign. That is fraud and he knows it.
The U.S. can also take payment in wheat, corn and other grains.
Logos Stick
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BigFred said:

YouBet said:




You beat me to the punch. For those on here who say Trump doesn't really care about the mineral rights deal with Ukraine...they are simply wrong.

Trump is not a peace maker; he is a profiteer........ First and foremost!!


Lololol

Ever hear of the Abraham Accords? You should be flagged for trolling.

"These accords were mediated by Trump and marked a significant shift in Middle Eastern geopolitics by fostering peace and cooperation without requiring a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict first, which had historically been a precondition for Arab-Israeli normalization.
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LOYAL AG
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BigFred said:

YouBet said:




You beat me to the punch. For those on here who say Trump doesn't really care about the mineral rights deal with Ukraine...they are simply wrong.

Trump is not a peace maker; he is a profiteer........ First and foremost!!


See this is why logic minded people don't take liberals seriously. Trump came into office a billionaire and Elon came into his role as the wealthiest man in the history of mankind and both will leave with wealth comparable to what they came in with. Meanwhile Biden, Obama and the Clinton's came into office middle class and have leveraged their elected offices to be worth eight and nine figures. It's undeniable that all three got wealthy as a result of being in office because none of them had any experience in private enterprise before or after their time as elected officials. Put more bluntly the past three Democrats have unquestionably defrauded the system to generate wealth while Trump and Elon have not yet somehow in your pea brain that makes Trump and Elon the crooks. It takes an incredible level of naivety to believe that.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
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