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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Having DEI is dumb.

Having to need something like DEI is worse.

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There was never a need for DEI. hth.

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Yup. Prejudice and racism are a hoax.

This feels more like Dan Patrick waving a big stick just to be taken seriously. Very similar feeling to with-holding teacher pay 2 years ago because vouchers didn't pass. If DEI was the problem, there's no doubt in my mind that A&M's "punishment" wouldn't be near as harsh as other universities. You're telling me A&M is so "woke" that they deserve nearly identical funds withheld as tu?

At this point, I'm getting increasingly convinced that our elected officials have no clue when it comes to education.

Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Having DEI is dumb.

Having to need something like DEI is worse.

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There was never a need for DEI. hth.

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Yup. Prejudice and racism are a hoax.

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You fix that through meritocracy not by shifting the discrimination.

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It's absolutely comical to believe that has been possible at any point in history.

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Having DEI is dumb.

Having to need something like DEI is worse.

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There was never a need for DEI. hth.

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Yup. Prejudice and racism are a hoax.

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Thats's a false dichotomy. Prejudice and racism can be real things, but pretending DEI is the only solution that recognizes that is obviously and clearly false.

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I never said it was the only solution.

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Meritocracy is kryptonite to the average joe.

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Elitist professor found

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ABC 7 Amarillo NEWS:
Days before the start of the legislative session, Texas A&M University administrators were already bracing for a hit to their budget.
"The rumor is the [lieutenant] governor will cut everyone's institutional enhancement money to try to get higher ed's attention," Julie Kopycinski, a top
government relations staffer, wrote to her boss Texas A&M President Mark Welsh.
"What part of our 'attention' is he trying to get,"
Welsh responded, according to an email exchange obtained in an open records request.
"That we have collectively lost our core mission and are still too [DEI] and leftist focused," Kopycinski responded.
Nine days later, Kopycinski's warning proved true.
The House and the Senate unveiled their state budget proposals, with both versions eliminating the institutional enhancement fund, a line item dedicated to higher education that provided $423 million to Texas universities in the last budget
cycle.
If passed, Texas A&M University would be shorted $52 million for the next two-year budget period….the article continues.

In only 20 years, how has the nation's most conservative large university, become the most DEI and Leftist university in Texas? Who is driving this change?

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In my lifetime the students and the culture at A&M were conservative

The vocal faculty were always hateful libs

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Average Joe said:

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Cyprian said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Having DEI is dumb.

Having to need something like DEI is worse.

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There was never a need for DEI. hth.

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Yup. Prejudice and racism are a hoax.

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Thats's a false dichotomy. Prejudice and racism can be real things, but pretending DEI is the only solution that recognizes that is obviously and clearly false.

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I never said it was the only solution.

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Then your hoax comment makes no sense

Good!!!

It has to do with obeying the law, which is not an issue of left or right. It's an issue of do or don't.

Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Having DEI is dumb.

Having to need something like DEI is worse.

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There was never a need for DEI. hth.

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Yup. Prejudice and racism are a hoax.

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You fix that through meritocracy not by shifting the discrimination.

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It's absolutely comical to believe that has been possible at any point in history.

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Another life lesson for you average Joe. There will always be racism by all races. Humans are tribal. That is why equality under the law is the only possible solution no matter if imperfect it is still the best and only. You do not legalize discrimination.

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Exactly why merit based doesn't work. Two people of equal merit results in the one that looks closest like the hiring manager getting the job.

And this cuts both ways. My dad, a white male, got passed up for a promotion despite being more qualified, because he was a male in a female dominated profession (pediatric nursing).

Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Having DEI is dumb.

Having to need something like DEI is worse.

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There was never a need for DEI. hth.

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Yup. Prejudice and racism are a hoax.

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You fix that through meritocracy not by shifting the discrimination.

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It's absolutely comical to believe that has been possible at any point in history.

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Another life lesson for you average Joe. There will always be racism by all races. Humans are tribal. That is why equality under the law is the only possible solution no matter if imperfect it is still the best and only. You do not legalize discrimination.

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Exactly why merit based doesn't work. Two people of equal merit results in the one that looks closest like the hiring manager getting the job.

And this cuts both ways. My dad, a white male, got passed up for a promotion despite being more qualified, because he was a male in a female dominated profession (pediatric nursing).

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That's a pretty blanket statement to make.

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Having DEI is dumb.

Having to need something like DEI is worse.

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There was never a need for DEI. hth.

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Yup. Prejudice and racism are a hoax.

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You fix that through meritocracy not by shifting the discrimination.

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It's absolutely comical to believe that has been possible at any point in history.

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Another life lesson for you average Joe. There will always be racism by all races. Humans are tribal. That is why equality under the law is the only possible solution no matter if imperfect it is still the best and only. You do not legalize discrimination.

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Exactly why merit based doesn't work. Two people of equal merit results in the one that looks closest like the hiring manager getting the job.

And this cuts both ways. My dad, a white male, got passed up for a promotion despite being more qualified, because he was a male in a female dominated profession (pediatric nursing).

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This is why he doesn't want meritocracy. He knows what that world looks like.

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We don't want our best talent to have the best education and stay in state? That's not what would benefit the state the most?

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We do, absolutely. And we have, which is why A&M is substantially harder to get into today than it was 30 years ago when I applied. It's also substantially more diverse than it was 30 years ago. Both are very good things for A&M and the state.

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You didn't answer the question, and you know that being harder to get into (if you're not top 10%, that is) has nothing to do with DEI.

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But it does. We increased our outreach to areas previously underrepresented. We didn't change admission requirements but we absolutely increased the population receptive to applying to A&M. And top 10% does not do much to help get into Engineering (no guaranteed admissions there).

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The population of TX increased dramatically without a corresponding increase in the quality of education, or perception thereof, for the non-flagship institutions, which is what has made admission to A&M harder, along with other non-DEI factors.

And you still didn't answer the question. At this point I'll assume there won't be one other than your own begging the question: it's good, and something the state should do, because it's good and something the state should do.

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He just doesn't want to say the real reason out loud

'It's good and something the state should do because racial discrimination against white males is a virtue'

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Bull crap - I want the best and brightest to come to A&M. Male or female, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, whatever. All things being equal (which they are not), should not a public university fairly closely represent the population that they serve? It's not just white males that pay taxes in this state.

If the white male is the most qualified, great. My son (white male) worked his but off in high school, Scouts, Robotics, etc. and got into Engineering in October. But if a female Hispanic applicant has a better application, then she should get in over him.

For years, A&M's student population was not representative of the state. It certainly was nowhere close when I was in school. I fail to see how wanting to broaden our appeal to the entire state is somehow wrong.

Let all who are qualified apply, from every county, city, town in the state. And let the best applicants be admitted.

Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Average Joe said:

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Having DEI is dumb.

Having to need something like DEI is worse.

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There was never a need for DEI. hth.

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Yup. Prejudice and racism are a hoax.

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You fix that through meritocracy not by shifting the discrimination.

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It's absolutely comical to believe that has been possible at any point in history.

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Another life lesson for you average Joe. There will always be racism by all races. Humans are tribal. That is why equality under the law is the only possible solution no matter if imperfect it is still the best and only. You do not legalize discrimination.

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Exactly why merit based doesn't work. Two people of equal merit results in the one that looks closest like the hiring manager getting the job.

And this cuts both ways. My dad, a white male, got passed up for a promotion despite being more qualified, because he was a male in a female dominated profession (pediatric nursing).

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This is such a rare occurrence it does not pose a problem for merit based selections. This is a red herring. Try again.

What would you propose in lieu of equality under the law and meritocracy?

Edit: I can continue busting you up all night. Have at it.

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Busting me up?

You said there wasn't a need for DEI because meritocracy works. Then turn around and state it's human nature to be prejudice.

Which is it?

DEI is not a law, so you're not legalizing anything.

I also never stated DEI was the only solution, or a good solution. I only stated that it was created because the system is broken.