ts5641 said:

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I think most libs revel in societies, especially free societies, disappearing.

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they call it, "progress"

wannaggie said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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The pendulum will swing the opposite direction soon.

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No it won't. Why? Because the problem is far deeper than social policy. It's likely hitting us at a basic genetic level. The common denominator is female education, females in the workplace, and birth control. The introduction of all of these things craters birth rates because of hypergamy. Women will never marry down and won't find men they consider beneath them status wise to be attractive. Thus, they are competing for an increasingly smaller portion of men.

This has a negative feedback loop on birth rates and it will continue getting worse. I don't blame the women for this because this is just how they are biologically wired, but it's reality.

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"Women will never marry down" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Oh man Texags never disappoints when it comes to the culture wars.

***SPOILER*** Most women who have married, have married down. Men get to be little boys forever and go off to play Architect and Firefighter and Corporate Raider with other boys all day, while women do 90% of the actual LABOR-- /planning/organization/scheduling/transportation/resource-management/provisioning/feeding/clothing/teaching/training/mentoring/community-building/relationship-maintenance that makes the nuclear family so successful.

"Awesome smart hot girl with head on her shoulders and a bright future runs off with charismatic loserbro whose dating skills consist of driving a sports care while playing 'Wonderwall' on his guitar, so smart hot girl with head on shoulders ends up pulling double shifts as a nurse year after year to keep the family barely afloat while loser husband tries to find himself among all the other interchangeable dudes on the car dealership floor" is waaaay more common than "smart hot girl with bright future waits until 38 to marry Daniel Craig and start a family".

Women aren't rejecting men more now because men aren't Alpha enough. Women are rejecting men because they don't want to get STUCK like they saw in their own family generations having to do BOTH roles -- work nonstop at a job to keep financial stability AND still do all the trad-wife stuff because men have perfected the art of learned-helplessness so mommy/wifey has to step in and make sure things get done right.

Women aren't rejecting men more now because they want a big Alpha to rule over them. They're rejecting men more now because they want an EQUAL division of labor. And no, holding an office job is nowhere close to being equal in labor to 20 years of being the primary planning/organization/scheduling/transportation/resource-management/provisioning/feeding/clothing/teaching/training/mentoring/community-building/relationship-maintenance working.

Every married man should feel like he won the powerball every day she stays with him.

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Admit it. You have about 10 cats and 15 Jane Austen books

El Gallo Blanco said:

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"Men are insecure of strong independent women"

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This always makes me chuckle too. I have mentioned on here that I find super "independent/strong/highly career driven/alpha" women to be a major turn off and have gotten blasted. Apparently that makes me "scared" of women or "intimidated". No, its a borderline repulsive trait/character flaw that i find to genuinely be a major turnoff...and I can't help it. I feel like the vast majority of human history backs you and me up on this.

My wife has a job, but it is not something that defines her...and we are both hoping she doesn't always have to work. I feel like too many modern women have their identity wrapped up in it.

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That is because "strong independent women" are, well 99% of them, plain beaches. No one likes them, even normal women hate them. They are used to everyone catering to their whims all the time. Either these women are single at 50 or have a loser simp husband who did not amount to anything and is proud to be married to her. I know a few men like this and their whole identity is "I'm Emily's husband".

I teach my 16 year old daughter to NEVER lose her femininity. That is what makes her attractive to someone some day. Do not try to be a boy, do not try to behave like one (major turnoff). Keep your long hair, dresses like a female, be living, caring, nurturing. Do not compete with males (another big turnoff). I talk about these things when I drop her off to school until she goes "okayyyyy dad you told me that last week!".

Most women cannot handle being "strong and independent".

You are right about modern women having their identity wrapped around their jobs, my wife is somewhat like that and I have to pull her down a few notches at times when she gets too uppity about it. I call a job "corporate slavery" and that bugs the sheet out of her.

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population decline?

then why is our degenerate society proliferating and promoting abortions, not getting married, same-sex couples/relationships, sex-changes, and Bill Gates-sponsored vaccines so vigorously?

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Yea, but they say men can get pregnant. That opens up double the possibilities.

The biggest mistake Japan would do is to say "let's bring in some immigrants". And bring them in willy nilly because they don't want to be "racists" (a major white person problem). Muslims (Pakistanis) will be the first to jump on this boat and move there and in 15 years build mosques all over with USAID money and begin to demand Shariah law and start converting people to Islam.

Keep immigrants out. Deal with this issue yourselves.

Urban Ag said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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The pendulum will swing the opposite direction soon.

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No it won't. Why? Because the problem is far deeper than social policy. It's likely hitting us at a basic genetic level. The common denominator is female education, females in the workplace, and birth control. The introduction of all of these things craters birth rates because of hypergamy. Women will never marry down and won't find men they consider beneath them status wise to be attractive. Thus, they are competing for an increasingly smaller portion of men.

This has a negative feedback loop on birth rates and it will continue getting worse. I don't blame the women for this because this is just how they are biologically wired, but it's reality.

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Good post. As a guy that has been married nearly 25 years and has kids (mostly grown up now) I would like to share an observation I have come to over the last decade or so. And being a faithful husband I have come to this conclusion strictly via reading, observation, and what younger males than me (mostly who have reported to me) have told me about the modern reality of sex/dating/marriage. So here is my conclusion.

First, break men and women up into categories of 8/9/10, 5/6/7, 2/3/4, and 1. 10 being the most attractive/desired, 1 being the basement.

Also account for the fact that what makes a suitor a 4, 7 or 10, is much more subjective to females than males. Males are much less complex in this regard. Women factor in numerous more criteria in picking a mate.

1's of either sex are the far outliers and don't factor in. These people will likely never marry nor reproduce.

So here we go.

The 8/9/10's of both sexes will date, have sex, party, get in relationships, and many will marry and have children. This is the natural order and always has been.

Males in the 8/9/10 range will lower themselves to females in the 5/6/7 range for sex if that is what is available when there is a need. The females in that range are typically more than happy to oblige. This is also the natural order of things and always has been.

Conversely, females in the 8/9/10 range will NEVER lower themselves to even considering men in the 5/6/7 range for anything from sex to security. This is also the natural order.

Now, in modern times, things go astray.

Males in the 5/6/7 and 2/3/4 range have been historically happy to couple with women in their same range. This is the natural order. These people used to be perfectly happy to "stay in their lane" and have happy lives, marriage, children, etc.

But now, the 5/6/7 women have been deluded in to believing they deserve or are entitled to 8/9/10 men. Major disruption to the natural order. Making it ever worse is that tech has given the 8/9/10 men the ability to easily access 5/6/7 women for sex which reinforces in the minds of 5/6/7 women they should have better suitor options.

The same is true for women in 2/3/4 range.

Ultimately, the 5/6/7 women reject 5/6/7 men and the 2/3/4 women reject 2/3/4 men. Again, major deviation against the natural order.

All in all this just makes women, brainwashed by delusional notions of the kind of man they can attract, simply unhappy. For the men, frustration and rejection leads to porn addiction and little interaction with females outside of work related.

The entire natural order of male/female relationships has been destroyed by tech and feminism. Hopefully it can right itself but unless you're an 8/9/10 the future seems bleak. IMO.

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Fantastic post. Nothing else to add. Enjoyed reading it.

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OK, I will agree with what you say.

But men are simple creatures. Feed them, F them, don't give them too much lip, and they are good and are very likely to go above and beyond.

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I promise to love, honor, feed, f and not give too much lip for as long as I live.

Can you imagine how many fewer divorces we would have if that was the marriage vow?

And feel free to make one up for guys.

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The biggest mistake Japan would do is to say "let's bring in some immigrants". And bring them in willy nilly because they don't want to be "racists" (a major white person problem). Muslims (Pakistanis) will be the first to jump on this boat and move there and in 15 years build mosques all over with USAID money and begin to demand Shariah law and start converting people to Islam.

Keep immigrants out. Deal with this issue yourselves.

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Japan is not bringing in hordes of immigrants

They're too racist

That was pretty funny.

wannaggie said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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The pendulum will swing the opposite direction soon.

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No it won't. Why? Because the problem is far deeper than social policy. It's likely hitting us at a basic genetic level. The common denominator is female education, females in the workplace, and birth control. The introduction of all of these things craters birth rates because of hypergamy. Women will never marry down and won't find men they consider beneath them status wise to be attractive. Thus, they are competing for an increasingly smaller portion of men.

This has a negative feedback loop on birth rates and it will continue getting worse. I don't blame the women for this because this is just how they are biologically wired, but it's reality.

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"Women will never marry down" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Oh man Texags never disappoints when it comes to the culture wars.

***SPOILER*** Most women who have married, have married down. Men get to be little boys forever and go off to play Architect and Firefighter and Corporate Raider with other boys all day, while women do 90% of the actual LABOR-- /planning/organization/scheduling/transportation/resource-management/provisioning/feeding/clothing/teaching/training/mentoring/community-building/relationship-maintenance that makes the nuclear family so successful.

"Awesome smart hot girl with head on her shoulders and a bright future runs off with charismatic loserbro whose dating skills consist of driving a sports care while playing 'Wonderwall' on his guitar, so smart hot girl with head on shoulders ends up pulling double shifts as a nurse year after year to keep the family barely afloat while loser husband tries to find himself among all the other interchangeable dudes on the car dealership floor" is waaaay more common than "smart hot girl with bright future waits until 38 to marry Daniel Craig and start a family".

Women aren't rejecting men more now because men aren't Alpha enough. Women are rejecting men because they don't want to get STUCK like they saw in their own family generations having to do BOTH roles -- work nonstop at a job to keep financial stability AND still do all the trad-wife stuff because men have perfected the art of learned-helplessness so mommy/wifey has to step in and make sure things get done right.

Women aren't rejecting men more now because they want a big Alpha to rule over them. They're rejecting men more now because they want an EQUAL division of labor. And no, holding an office job is nowhere close to being equal in labor to 20 years of being the primary planning/organization/scheduling/transportation/resource-management/provisioning/feeding/clothing/teaching/training/mentoring/community-building/relationship-maintenance working.

Every married man should feel like he won the powerball every day she stays with him.

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Ha

Ha ha

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

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Madman said:

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There is a solution.

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I understood that reference. Very underrated movie

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Explain it to me like I am 5... and what movie is that from?

Looks like Logan's Run.

This is the most incel post ive read (and that's saying something from this crowd).

infinity ag said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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"Men are insecure of strong independent women"

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This always makes me chuckle too. I have mentioned on here that I find super "independent/strong/highly career driven/alpha" women to be a major turn off and have gotten blasted. Apparently that makes me "scared" of women or "intimidated". No, its a borderline repulsive trait/character flaw that i find to genuinely be a major turnoff...and I can't help it. I feel like the vast majority of human history backs you and me up on this.

My wife has a job, but it is not something that defines her...and we are both hoping she doesn't always have to work. I feel like too many modern women have their identity wrapped up in it.

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That is because "strong independent women" are, well 99% of them, plain beaches. No one likes them, even normal women hate them. They are used to everyone catering to their whims all the time. Either these women are single at 50 or have a loser simp husband who did not amount to anything and is proud to be married to her. I know a few men like this and their whole identity is "I'm Emily's husband".

I teach my 16 year old daughter to NEVER lose her femininity. That is what makes her attractive to someone some day. Do not try to be a boy, do not try to behave like one (major turnoff). Keep your long hair, dresses like a female, be living, caring, nurturing. Do not compete with males (another big turnoff). I talk about these things when I drop her off to school until she goes "okayyyyy dad you told me that last week!".

Most women cannot handle being "strong and independent".

You are right about modern women having their identity wrapped around their jobs, my wife is somewhat like that and I have to pull her down a few notches at times when she gets too uppity about it. I call a job "corporate slavery" and that bugs the sheet out of her.

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Never mind. This is the new winner.

For real. That just reads as "I teach my daughter that her worth is directly determined by whether or not she's attractive to men. She shouldn't try to reach her full potential in anything besides being a broodmare and housekeeper, because that would require competing with men, and that's a turn-off."

I'm sure there are no obvious ways this teaching could have negative consequences for her down the road. Why bother taking her to school at all? Might as well just focus on etiquette classes and start arranging her marriage.

Then top it off with feeling the need to ever "pull his wife down a couple notches." Really hitting it out of the park with the casual misogyny.

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work nonstop at a job to keep financial stability AND still do all the trad-wife stuff because men have perfected the art of learned-helplessness so mommy/wifey has to step in and make sure things get done right.

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One of the best advice I got on marriage is if you don't want to do something, **** it up so much that you won't be asked to do it anymore.

The other major "rule" that govern our marriage is that I am in charge of deposits, and she is in charge of withdrawals. We've been married over 35 years. She works extremely hard, but hasn't received a paycheck for decades.

And, for full disclosure, I "married up".

This thread has an entertainment value of 9 out of 10.

And, this seems relavent to the discussion.

I do not know the extent of it, but Japan did loosen their immigration laws a few years ago because of their demographic problem.

Why is it bad if Japan's population shrinks? There are 125 million Japanese living on an island that is 145,000 square miles. If the contiguous US had the same population density as Japan, we'd have a population of 2.5 billion people.

I'd argue our poor schools and extreme obesity are a much bigger problem than Japans slightly negative population growth.

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Why is it bad if Japan's population shrinks? There are 125 million Japanese living on an island that is 145,000 square miles. If the contiguous US had the same population density as Japan, we'd have a population of 2.5 billion people.

I'd argue our poor schools and extreme obesity are a much bigger problem than Japans slightly negative population growth.

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The Japanese manufacture some of the best products in the world. I guess we'll get fewer of those top products going forward. Perhaps Honduras can pick up the slack.

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Too many people on this rock as is.

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Thats a myth

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No, it's an opinion. Try going to some of the more beautiful spots in the world, now overrun with masses of humanity to a much greater extent than even 30 years ago.

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1876er said:

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Why is it bad if Japan's population shrinks? There are 125 million Japanese living on an island that is 145,000 square miles. If the contiguous US had the same population density as Japan, we'd have a population of 2.5 billion people.

I'd argue our poor schools and extreme obesity are a much bigger problem than Japans slightly negative population growth.

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The Japanese manufacture some of the best products in the world. I guess we'll get fewer of those top products going forward. Perhaps Honduras can pick up the slack.

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In 100 years they'll still be manufacturing some of the best products in the world. Having fewer people doesn't prevent them from doing that.

1876er said:

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1876er said:

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Why is it bad if Japan's population shrinks? There are 125 million Japanese living on an island that is 145,000 square miles. If the contiguous US had the same population density as Japan, we'd have a population of 2.5 billion people.

I'd argue our poor schools and extreme obesity are a much bigger problem than Japans slightly negative population growth.

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The Japanese manufacture some of the best products in the world. I guess we'll get fewer of those top products going forward. Perhaps Honduras can pick up the slack.

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In 100 years they'll still be manufacturing some of the best products in the world. Having fewer people doesn't prevent them from doing that.

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Reading is hard I guess. Fewer people means fewer of those products. That means price will rise and many won't have access to those products anymore because there are fewer of them being made. That means collective standard of living will go down. You can drive your Yugo instead.

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For real. That just reads as "I teach my daughter that her worth is directly determined by whether or not she's attractive to men. She shouldn't try to reach her full potential in anything besides being a broodmare and housekeeper, because that would require competing with men, and that's a turn-off."

I'm sure there are no obvious ways this teaching could have negative consequences for her down the road. Why bother taking her to school at all? Might as well just focus on etiquette classes and start arranging her marriage.

Then top it off with feeling the need to ever "pull his wife down a couple notches." Really hitting it out of the park with the casual misogyny.

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My daughter will study engineering. What have you done? Gender Studies? Good luck. Ha ha

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Why is it bad if Japan's population shrinks? There are 125 million Japanese living on an island that is 145,000 square miles. If the contiguous US had the same population density as Japan, we'd have a population of 2.5 billion people.

I'd argue our poor schools and extreme obesity are a much bigger problem than Japans slightly negative population growth.

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I think so too

This guy gets it. I lived the peak of the swiping/app era. It was a gold mine but it created unrealistic expectations for many. I've read that many are getting off the apps and trying to turn back IRL methods.

We imported western style feminism.

Despite the racial and cultural homogeneity..... Japanese women embraced the feminist doctrines of prioritizing work over raising children. Without Christianity to help stem the tide (less than 3% of Japan is Christian) there were no traditional guard rails in place..... especially since Japanese religion prior to 1945 was centered around the Emperor.

I have read a lot about this topic.... and it is quite alarming. As a white man, I want to see Japanese culture and society prosper and stabilize. South Korea, right next door, has the SAME issue.

The whole world needs to abandon the feminist experiment. It literally is causing global population collapse and is antithetical to human flourishing.