TheEternalOptimist said:

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Teslag said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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rgag12 said:

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Teslag said:

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rgag12 said:

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Teslag said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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I have been right about Ukraine/Russia for years in here.....

.Zelensky is no less a tyrant than Putin. He doesn't hold elections and is unpopular with the people.

We (the West) broke Ukraine in 2014. We are now at least a half million deaths so far in this war - perhaps far more depending on what estimates you want to believe.

All for what? To keep people in Eastern Ukraine who DO NOT WANT TO BE IN UKRAINE ANYMORE....... because the last time they had a legit election..... their President was overthrown by an Obama/Merkel coup.

This whole thing has been shameful. And that is before the whole Biden corruption layer is even discussed.

Victoria Nuland, Alexandra Chalupa, and Hunter Biden should all be in jail for their part in all this.

Look up Alexandra Chalupa in particular -- the DNC's Ukrainian handler and fixer.... involved in the middle of every controversy involving Ukraine, America, and Russia there.

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How was the 2019 election not legitimate? You know, the one where 74% of the country voted for a guy that pushed out the guy you're saying the West supposedly installed with a coup?

You can't in good faith call Zelensky a tyrant for not having elections you wouldn't recognize as legitimate anyway.

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Ok, then put into effect a ceasefire and hold another election.

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How does a ceasefire allow those in occupied lands to hold free and fair Ukrainian government elections?

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80-90% of the occupied lands aren't going back to Ukraine anyway. No need to live in fantasy land.

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I agree, but that needs to be formalized and boundaries drawn prior to elections in areas affected.

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Easy hurdle to clear in ceasefire agreements

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Agreed as well, but many on the pro-Russia side say Zelenskyy should hold elections prior to a deal. So here we are….

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Criticism of Zelensky does not mean support of Russia. I am anti-corruption and anti-war. And in Ukraine and Russia - they go hand in hand.

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You guys don't get to come on here and call people "warmongers", "Uke fanbois", etc and then get upset when you get called names as well. Especially when you quite literally echo Russian talking points and justify their unprovoked invasion.

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I make independent analysis of the situation taking all information into account. Yep - Russia spouts off loads of propaganda. And so does Ukraine. Any amount of criticism directed at the Kiev regime that is even slightly in agreement with Moscow's claims automatically makes all my points 'Russian Propaganda' ?

Do you know the region well at all? Do you have family and friends families divided by this conflict and/or caught up in the middle of it on both sides like I do?

Sift through the nonsense and follow the historical timeline from just before the 2014 "Euromaiden" (which was a coup) to today. Have you ever acknowledged the Kiev government and their Azov mercenaries war crimes against majority ethnic Russian civilians in the East that were ongoing long before Russia invaded?

The EU/NATO wanted a conflict. From the get go. They underestimated just how far Russia was willing to go. The reality of the Russian victory in this war is starting to become apparent. Years and years of western media claiming 'Russia is losing' is about to officially be revealed for all to see as a charade that was meant to keep the arms and $$$ flowing into Ukraine. It was also meant, secondarily, to prop up covering for corrupt Americans on the take (like Biden, Chalupa, Nuland, etc etc)

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Russia's victory was getting all of Ukraine. They won't come close.

Rossticus said:

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It's not about the Russian army. It's Russian resources, and their navy to a lesser extent should we end up fighting China on their doorstep. Not to mention that China is already establishing a significant economic foothold in South America (to include naval ports) that will take quite a bit of maneuvering to negate.

Now, if we can manage to become independent of our need for Taiwan to exist in sufficiently short order, then one huge element of the equation is no longer of concern and I'd overall agree with your statement. And from what I've seen Trump is making progress on that front.

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The chip issue with Taiwan could be addressed with an Operation Warp Speed approach.

Americans have a long track record of sacrificing and stepping up when it comes to protecting our Country.

China is not going to do a damn thing. For 4,000 years they fall on their flat tooshkas whenever push comes to shove.

But the longer we can push any conflict out the better.

China in S America can be addressed as well. Are we afraid of UN sanctions should we decide to kick China out of S America and handle them ourselves? S America would also face a choice to be our ***** or China's. I think they prefer us.

TheEternalOptimist said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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IDaggie06 said:

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I will never understand why we as Americans are supposed to care more about Ukraine than the vast majority of European countries do. I especially don't understand why we should be spending so much in comparison.

It is not our battle. If Europe and other allies want us to pitch in a proportional amount to what they are paying then I don't see a problem with that.but that is clearly not what has been happening the last several years with us being their piggy bank.

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Sure it's not our boots on the ground battle, but being top dog in the world means when our alliances are threatened (and they are) we can't just sit back and watch.

The money that we have spent (on ourselves mostly) is such a small, minuscule price (of a nearly trillion dollar budget we already set aside for defense) to keep one of our biggest adversaries from land grabbing and increasing in strength - all the while seeing how our old weapons absolutely expose their military.

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So lets deliberately expend human capital so we can see how good our old weapons work.

This is soul less exploitation on another level......

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It's almost like that could end if Russia stopped invading a sovereign nation.

Listen to yourself man.

Damn straight were leveraging the situation. We're helping defend a sovereign nation against a known dictatorship and adversary who is willfully violating international law.

With zero loss of life from our military.

We have differing philosophies on this war and I will never convince you, but to act like we're the bad guys for arming an innocent nation is lunacy, and un-American.

Teslag said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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rgag12 said:

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Teslag said:

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rgag12 said:

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Teslag said:

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rgag12 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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I have been right about Ukraine/Russia for years in here.....

.Zelensky is no less a tyrant than Putin. He doesn't hold elections and is unpopular with the people.

We (the West) broke Ukraine in 2014. We are now at least a half million deaths so far in this war - perhaps far more depending on what estimates you want to believe.

All for what? To keep people in Eastern Ukraine who DO NOT WANT TO BE IN UKRAINE ANYMORE....... because the last time they had a legit election..... their President was overthrown by an Obama/Merkel coup.

This whole thing has been shameful. And that is before the whole Biden corruption layer is even discussed.

Victoria Nuland, Alexandra Chalupa, and Hunter Biden should all be in jail for their part in all this.

Look up Alexandra Chalupa in particular -- the DNC's Ukrainian handler and fixer.... involved in the middle of every controversy involving Ukraine, America, and Russia there.

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How was the 2019 election not legitimate? You know, the one where 74% of the country voted for a guy that pushed out the guy you're saying the West supposedly installed with a coup?

You can't in good faith call Zelensky a tyrant for not having elections you wouldn't recognize as legitimate anyway.

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Ok, then put into effect a ceasefire and hold another election.

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How does a ceasefire allow those in occupied lands to hold free and fair Ukrainian government elections?

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80-90% of the occupied lands aren't going back to Ukraine anyway. No need to live in fantasy land.

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I agree, but that needs to be formalized and boundaries drawn prior to elections in areas affected.

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Easy hurdle to clear in ceasefire agreements

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Agreed as well, but many on the pro-Russia side say Zelenskyy should hold elections prior to a deal. So here we are….

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Criticism of Zelensky does not mean support of Russia. I am anti-corruption and anti-war. And in Ukraine and Russia - they go hand in hand.

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You guys don't get to come on here and call people "warmongers", "Uke fanbois", etc and then get upset when you get called names as well. Especially when you quite literally echo Russian talking points and justify their unprovoked invasion.

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I make independent analysis of the situation taking all information into account. Yep - Russia spouts off loads of propaganda. And so does Ukraine. Any amount of criticism directed at the Kiev regime that is even slightly in agreement with Moscow's claims automatically makes all my points 'Russian Propaganda' ?

Do you know the region well at all? Do you have family and friends families divided by this conflict and/or caught up in the middle of it on both sides like I do?

Sift through the nonsense and follow the historical timeline from just before the 2014 "Euromaiden" (which was a coup) to today. Have you ever acknowledged the Kiev government and their Azov mercenaries war crimes against majority ethnic Russian civilians in the East that were ongoing long before Russia invaded?

The EU/NATO wanted a conflict. From the get go. They underestimated just how far Russia was willing to go. The reality of the Russian victory in this war is starting to become apparent. Years and years of western media claiming 'Russia is losing' is about to officially be revealed for all to see as a charade that was meant to keep the arms and $$$ flowing into Ukraine. It was also meant, secondarily, to prop up covering for corrupt Americans on the take (like Biden, Chalupa, Nuland, etc etc)

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Russia's victory was getting all of Ukraine. They won't come close.

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When side A captures and keeps a large area of side B - side A has won.

side A would have liked to take all of side B..... sure.

Complete Victory and Partial Victory are both still victories.

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It also hinges on Russia providing us with exports worth a *****

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I don't think we GAF. Russia knows that our China strategy hinges on them. And we know they know. We have to kiss their ass, not the other way around. Once we go down this road the administration isn't doubling back and they know it. We're doing Russia a solid today and hoping they reciprocate down the line.

After we tell NATO and the euros to get bent we have to stay valuable to them or they hang us out to dry with China and we're left with our ass out in the wind. If we decide to do this then we have no choice but to be all in.

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Wait, so now we are scared the Russians will sell us out to China? I thought Russia could not even mount the weakest of offenses against the Ukes, which is why we had to send them billions after billions.

Now we are going to pretend we need to cozy up to Russia or we will be China's *****? China, the great country that has never successfully invaded a foreign land and whose might and bravado is made out of rice cakes and bat vomit?

We can tell the whole world to get bent and no one is going to **** with us unless we give them permission.

Problem is Biden gave them permission for 4 years. Trump is just letting them know we are no longer their doormat to scrape their globalist commie boots on, whether they be Chicoms, Ruscoms, or Euro trach socialists.

America first. That is the strategy. We need no one else to accomplish that.

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No... If and when China decides they're going to take Taiwan and we move to stop them, our European allies in NATO are going to tell us, "Tough ****," if and when we ask for their help. If we hang them out to dry because Russia apparently isn't our problem, they have no reason or obligation to help us with China.

And China will have no problem ****ing with us regardless of Trump. They've spent a very long time building up the capacity and testing the waters. China's naval capacity outstrips ours significantly, and Taiwan is in their backyard. There's a whole ocean between us and there, and Trump is telling the DOD to start looking at 8% budget cuts for the next 5 years.

Expect 2029 to be pretty damn interesting.

ReturnOfTheAg said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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ReturnOfTheAg said:

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IDaggie06 said:

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I will never understand why we as Americans are supposed to care more about Ukraine than the vast majority of European countries do. I especially don't understand why we should be spending so much in comparison.

It is not our battle. If Europe and other allies want us to pitch in a proportional amount to what they are paying then I don't see a problem with that.but that is clearly not what has been happening the last several years with us being their piggy bank.

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Sure it's not our boots on the ground battle, but being top dog in the world means when our alliances are threatened (and they are) we can't just sit back and watch.

The money that we have spent (on ourselves mostly) is such a small, minuscule price (of a nearly trillion dollar budget we already set aside for defense) to keep one of our biggest adversaries from land grabbing and increasing in strength - all the while seeing how our old weapons absolutely expose their military.

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So lets deliberately expend human capital so we can see how good our old weapons work.

This is soul less exploitation on another level......

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It's almost like that could end if Russia stopped invading a sovereign nation.

Listen to yourself man.

Damn straight were leveraging the situation. We're helping defend a sovereign nation against a known dictatorship and adversary who is willfully violating international law.

With zero loss of life from our military.

We have differing philosophies on this war and I will never convince you, but to act like we're the bad guys for arming an innocent nation is lunacy, and un-American.

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If you don't believe any American forces in either the CIA or Spec Ops (of some kind) were not killed in this war.... you are fooling yourselves. There are for sure American 'volunteers' who died. Were they all there as mercenaries? Do you really believe that?

Psycho Bunny said:

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I bet none of the pro Ukraine posters on texags and we know who you are, have the balls to leave America and go fight.

You talk about how this is American's fight, then grab a rifle and go stand the post.

It's easy to talk big from the comfort of a sofa.

I on the other hand, arrested an illegal who had warrants out of Honduras for child p0rn. We have bigger issues here in America, than to worry about some second rate country, who has done nothing for America.

By all means though, keep waving that blue and yellow flag. I serve one country and her colors are Red, White and Blue.

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What an amazingly terrible "Thank me for my service!" post. Such aggrandizing behavior is disgusting to witness here.

And standing a post is not all THAT cool or manly. Though you can make some mud dice if no one decides to try to put a 7.62 through your kevlar that day. Or blow up your serpentine or incoming patrol. Was my first attempt here.

I see we're making lots of progress on this thread!

About as much as is being made in negotiations!

Which is to say as much as tench line changes in the past 2 years.


I don't blame Zelensky for trying to minimize his losses in negotiations, but we're seeing him over-play his hand. His nation wouldn't exist without our generosity & he wants to make demands? Let's just slice it up and cast its pieces to its neighbors. Then NATO members will abut to Russia just like the hardliners want.

TheEternalOptimist said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Rossticus said:

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Teslag said:

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It also hinges on Russia providing us with exports worth a *****

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I don't think we GAF. Russia knows that our China strategy hinges on them. And we know they know. We have to kiss their ass, not the other way around. Once we go down this road the administration isn't doubling back and they know it. We're doing Russia a solid today and hoping they reciprocate down the line.

After we tell NATO and the euros to get bent we have to stay valuable to them or they hang us out to dry with China and we're left with our ass out in the wind. If we decide to do this then we have no choice but to be all in.

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Wait, so now we are scared the Russians will sell us out to China? I thought Russia could not even mount the weakest of offenses against the Ukes, which is why we had to send them billions after billions.

Now we are going to pretend we need to cozy up to Russia or we will be China's *****? China, the great country that has never successfully invaded a foreign land and whose might and bravado is made out of rice cakes and bat vomit?

We can tell the whole world to get bent and no one is going to **** with us unless we give them permission.

Problem is Biden gave them permission for 4 years. Trump is just letting them know we are no longer their doormat to scrape their globalist commie boots on, whether they be Chicoms, Ruscoms, or Euro trach socialists.

America first. That is the strategy. We need no one else to accomplish that.

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Russia and China are bound to come into conflict in coming decades.

BRICS will not hold.

The only reason China and Russia 'get along' is because they have a common adversary in the US.

Both countries are facing short term and long term demographic collapse. It wont be long until they start conflicting again over territory on their own border or even influence in the former Soviet states and Mongolia.

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In the coming decades? Maybe, but until then they both see the US as their main adversary.

Russia and China had their disputes during the Cold War, but they still routinely teamed up against the US and at no point considered the US a larger threat than the other. Nixon visited China and the US did a lot to normalize relations to cover the Sovies, but all it ultimately did was **** over relations with India and Pakistan and get us into a trade deficit with China. Now, China has been helping prop up Russia and they still cooperate on military technology. They may not like each other, but they both see us their existential enemy. They're not going after each other anytime soon.

Gordo14 said:

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The intellectual, moral, and ethical decay of the MAGA movement on full display here. Lots of those who are complete slaves to the MAGA algorithm - the terminally online right.

This is not the party of Reagan for those of you who still blindly vote Republican. This is something entirely different. America's strength, resolve, and moral clarity are on the line and Donald Trump is failing miserably. The collapse of American power and influence will lead to a deterioration of quality of life - including in America. It will make wars much more likely. And it substantially increases the odds of global conflict between great powers. None of this is good if you actually think about it and are a student of history.

We are entering a much darker, dangerous, and turbulent world. Some of these trends were already happening. But instead of delaying, reversing or slowing this process down, Donald Trump is speedrunning this decline.

I never want to hear from somebody who isnt an algorithm slave again that Trump is a good negotaitor. He may be for himself but not America. He will almost certainly be standing side by side with Xi and Putin on May 9th in Moscow. Some of you may think that's so badass (this narcissist desperately wants to be just like Putin and Xi). Those that still love what America used to and should stand for will be horrified. Maybe you'll wake up then. Maybe you'll still be in denial and pretend this is still Ronald Reagan's party.

Also, for those that think Ukraine will collapse, I think you're just as wrong now as you were when you predicted this war would be over in 2 weeks. Russia is not doing well right now from a capacity to sustain their invasion and manage their economy and I think this is too much of an existential threat to Europe (particularly Germany and East) for them to ignore. America has given away a lot of political capital, and I'm still waiting for what we've gained.

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Same for the other thread-who are the 14 complete idiots that starred this nonsense by the same poster? My gosh.

johnnyblaze36 said:

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Gordo14 said:

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The intellectual, moral, and ethical decay of the MAGA movement on full display here. Lots of those who are complete slaves to the MAGA algorithm - the terminally online right.

This is not the party of Reagan for those of you who still blindly vote Republican. This is something entirely different. America's strength, resolve, and moral clarity are on the line and Donald Trump is failing miserably. The collapse of American power and influence will lead to a deterioration of quality of life - including in America. It will make wars much more likely. And it substantially increases the odds of global conflict between great powers. None of this is good if you actually think about it and are a student of history.

We are entering a much darker, dangerous, and turbulent world. Some of these trends were already happening. But instead of delaying, reversing or slowing this process down, Donald Trump is speedrunning this decline.

I never want to hear from somebody who isnt an algorithm slave again that Trump is a good negotaitor. He may be for himself but not America. He will almost certainly be standing side by side with Xi and Putin on May 9th in Moscow. Some of you may think that's so badass (this narcissist desperately wants to be just like Putin and Xi). Those that still love what America used to and should stand for will be horrified. Maybe you'll wake up then. Maybe you'll still be in denial and pretend this is still Ronald Reagan's party.

Also, for those that think Ukraine will collapse, I think you're just as wrong now as you were when you predicted this war would be over in 2 weeks. Russia is not doing well right now from a capacity to sustain their invasion and manage their economy and I think this is too much of an existential threat to Europe (particularly Germany and East) for them to ignore. America has given away a lot of political capital, and I'm still waiting for what we've gained.

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Same for the other thread-who are the 14 complete idiots that starred this nonsense by the same poster? My gosh.

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You believe 4%. I would not consider your opinion…informed.

No, I said 4% seems high. It was a sarcastic joke that flew right over your head. HTH.

But the president doesn't think it's a joke. He believes it.

Teslag said:

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But the president doesn't think it's a joke. He believes it.

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As someone mentioned previously, he likely thinks he's underwater by 4%. I highly doubt he really thinks your hero Zelensky is literally at a 4% approval rating.

But maybe he does. You also believed that the "vaccine" was 100% effective. The masses can decide who is the bigger sucker here.

"something something vaccine something something"