dallasiteinsa02 said:

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Just stop the payments to anyone with an issue or is over the age of 100. Send them a letter that they need to go to a ss office to fix. My guess is that a ton will never fix.

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Burrus86 said:

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360+ years and voted democrat since Washington first ran for president.

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Imagine being over 120 years old when you voted for Washington....

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And what, 250 when you receiver your SSN?

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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I am a programmer/developer with decades of experience. All of this --- the dates, the numbers etc ... ---- are due to Musk's stupidity and inability to understand what he sees.

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Care to enlighten us?

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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I am a programmer/developer with decades of experience. All of this --- the dates, the numbers etc ... ---- are due to Musk's stupidity and inability to understand what he sees. And he's got a huge megaphone to blast the rest of us with his stupidity.

I really do fear for our nation.

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Thanks so much for the expertice and insight.

annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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How many death certificates have SS numbers on them? Doesn't that depend on where and how they died and what was in their wallet? If that was even in the same location?

I know this will sound very gross but The Hubs was a firefighter and cross trained. He was on dive rescue and his unit found what they called, "Soup Bone Betty." Her body was very decomposed, just bones, but pelvis confirmed it was a female. (Yes, that's possible.) Coroner estimated that "Betty" was about 30 at the time of her death and likely up to ten years before.

How would her SS# be nullified, ever?

And to further warp minds here, parents didn't run out and get SS numbers for their kids the moment they were born. Usually back in my day, needed the SS# when the kid tried to get a job as a teen. The Hubs was not born in South Carolina but he has a SC Social Security number because his Dad was stationed there when he went to get a job at a gas station as a teenager.

Now my Dad was an Aggie Engineer, cheap but also very anal about following rules, so he applied for SS numbers for each of his kids within a week of our births. (Man, he never forgot about me taking my time in being born. I was due right at Christmas, in time for his tax deduction for a dependent. BUT of course I was two weeks late, breech and only 5 pounds 2 ounces. So a very small female child but with LUNGS! Heard stories about how I screwed up his taxes but also his hearing and sleep for a long time.)

Charpie said:

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Wasn't this whole date thing attributed to the programing language being in COBALT and the fact that some of the birthdates were blank?

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no

annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Well since its on the internet it must be true.

All I remember about COBOL is PIC XXXXX declarations. And my 2 completely worthless "teammates."

unmade bed said:

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I don't understand why he just posts this kind of data without fully explaining the context. Obviously that list is not a list of people that are receiving money from Social Security. Wouldn't that be more appropriate info to share something like "The number of SSNs that belong to people receiving benefits and those people's ages"?

Surely it's easy enough to run that kind of query. Why not share that instead?

The info in that tweet just seems like it's being provided to get attention, not really share any useful info.

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Yeah. That's what a ton of folks do. You have to dig in to get to the truth, though

Photog said:

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All I remember about COBOL is PIC XXXXX declarations. And my 2 completely worthless "teammates."

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I read a COBOL textbook for my ex. I remember none of it

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.

Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.

Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.

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12.4 million times? Doubtful.

Also, why even have social security numbers if duplicity has been allowed this whole time. What did these people even do at work.

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Hanlon's razor:

Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Other wise you're suggesting that 1 out of every 30 people is defrauding SS. Which sounds more plausible? That? Or that SSA just doesn't have their act together?

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You're assuming that the 1 out of 30 are individual people. It's much more likely that one individual, multiplied by x,l is receiving many, many SS checks.

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No it's much more likely that these are benign and not evidence of fraud at all.

Charpie said:

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Photog said:

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All I remember about COBOL is PIC XXXXX declarations. And my 2 completely worthless "teammates."

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I read a COBOL textbook for my ex. I remember none of it

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Why, why would you do this?

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I am a Carpenter by trade and was a DBA by profession. Oracle, Sybase & SQL Server certified and certified in a host of other technologies used in Trading applications. 24x7x365x15min kind of stuff.

I would say that there's not enough information provided in a tweet to paint a full picture, but... as a "programmer / developer with decades of experience" would you not agree that not having a primary key on SSN would be a red flag? Doesn't common sense make you wonder if this was done on purpose or just another example of bad coding that was promoted to production?

Not having a monthly routine that reports hmm let's say all numbers aged 115 or more? These folks are either visited or asked to come into an office to verify.

Apotheosis, Even if no one goes to jail, would you not be happy to know that our SS system is functioning properly?

The inmates are running the asylum and we have to pay for it with our taxes.

I too fear for our nation and my children and my children's children. I pray they expose and fix it all.

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Leftists have a Green New Deal Sky, I guess.

Rest of use have the regular color.

He was in school and I was married to him? He was blind and I was in love with the dude at the time ?

Charpie said:

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He was in school and I was married to him? He was blind and I was in love with the dude at the time ?

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Important context! Thank you.

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He was in school and I was married to him? He was blind and I was in love with the dude at the time ?

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Bless you! That had to be brutal.

aggiehawg said:

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annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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How many death certificates have SS numbers on them? Doesn't that depend on where and how they died and what was in their wallet? If that was even in the same location?

I know this will sound very gross but The Hubs was a firefighter and cross trained. He was on dive rescue and his unit found what they called, "Soup Bone Betty." Her body was very decomposed, just bones, but pelvis confirmed it was a female. (Yes, that's possible.) Coroner estimated that "Betty" was about 30 at the time of her death and likely up to ten years before.

How would her SS# be nullified, ever?

And to further warp minds here, parents didn't run out and get SS numbers for their kids the moment they were born. Usually back in my day, needed the SS# when the kid tried to get a job as a teen. The Hubs was not born in South Carolina but he has a SC Social Security number because his Dad was stationed there when he went to get a job at a gas station as a teenager.

Now my Dad was an Aggie Engineer, cheap but also very anal about following rules, so he applied for SS numbers for each of his kids within a week of our births. (Man, he never forgot about me taking my time in being born. I was due right at Christmas, in time for his tax deduction for a dependent. BUT of course I was two weeks late, breech and only 5 pounds 2 ounces. So a very small female child but with LUNGS! Heard stories about how I screwed up his taxes but also his hearing and sleep for a long time.)

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Now before you can declare a child as a dependent, you must have a SS number for the child

On know identity at death the SS number is listed on the death certificate. The funeral home needs it to see if death benefits are payable under SS.

should have used this emote

Burrus86 said:

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360+ years and voted democrat since Washington first ran for president.

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That's over 100 years before Independence Day. Washington wasn't even born yet.

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Charpie said:

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He was in school and I was married to him? He was blind and I was in love with the dude at the time ?

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Bless you! That had to be brutal.

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It was awful. Thankfully it was one of a few books I had to read. Most books were available to him on audio or in braille. This was 30 years ago

Hagen95 said:

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should have used this emote

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Right

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unmade bed said:

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I don't understand why he just posts this kind of data without fully explaining the context. Obviously that list is not a list of people that are receiving money from Social Security. Wouldn't that be more appropriate info to share something like "The number of SSNs that belong to people receiving benefits and those people's ages"?

Surely it's easy enough to run that kind of query. Why not share that instead?

The info in that tweet just seems like it's being provided to get attention, not really share any useful info.

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Yeah. That's what a ton of folks do. You have to dig in to get to the truth, though

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And notice how Musk presents it…sure makes it seem like he is intentionally misleading his audience.

First line just describes what the data shows and it is a factual statement - whatever database Musk pulled this data from shows millions of SSNs with Death set to False. He has them grouped by whatever birth dates were associated with the SSN. That is what the chart shows.

His 2nd line is where he throws in his commentary that misleads the audience. He makes a vampire joke and says something about "collecting" Social Security which makes those not paying close attention think the chart is showing 200 year old people collecting SS.

Eso si, Que es said:

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dallasiteinsa02 said:

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Just stop the payments to anyone with an issue or is over the age of 100. Send them a letter that they need to go to a ss office to fix. My guess is that a ton will never fix.

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There are approximately 23% of Americans over age 65, or 78MM. That chart shows almost 120MM Americans over the age of 60.

Yes, stop all checks over age of 100, and give notice to everyone else getting checks that they have x amount of time to verify before those checks stop also.

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Not just that.

If people committed fraud and encashed checks after the recipient died, they are required to return the money within 4 weeks. If they return the money, they will not be charged.

If an audit catches them they go to jail.

So these are the people that continue to vote Democrat.

BusterAg said:

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This certainly shows that the SSN database is complete crap, and needs to be re-written.

But, does it really show fraud?

I would think that there would need to be Xref between this database and the payments database. If money is coming into or out of the treasury for some of these really old numbers, that would prove fraud.

I am sure that there are some really, really old SSN numbers that are being illegally used. This database doesn't really show that.

But, it does show gross incompetence of whoever the database administrator is. Everyone that has ever touched this database from an IT management perspective should be fired unless they can prove that they have complained about it up the chain.

I honestly don't think it is helpful to lie to people about the ramifications of stuff like this. If there were 60 million more SSNs receiving or making payments, I would expect handcuffs tomorrow. This data doesn't seem to show anything but incompetence, so you can't really arrest anyone because of this.

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My issue with the government (one of them anyways) is when they do crap like this and it's a oh well, but if the business owner does it they are crushed by that same entity. My business is held to strict rules and standards by several government agencies and too often the state gives me excuses for they fail on their end. Meanwhile they never give the same understanding.

ApachePilot said:

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BusterAg said:

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This certainly shows that the SSN database is complete crap, and needs to be re-written.

But, does it really show fraud?

I would think that there would need to be Xref between this database and the payments database. If money is coming into or out of the treasury for some of these really old numbers, that would prove fraud.

I am sure that there are some really, really old SSN numbers that are being illegally used. This database doesn't really show that.

But, it does show gross incompetence of whoever the database administrator is. Everyone that has ever touched this database from an IT management perspective should be fired unless they can prove that they have complained about it up the chain.

I honestly don't think it is helpful to lie to people about the ramifications of stuff like this. If there were 60 million more SSNs receiving or making payments, I would expect handcuffs tomorrow. This data doesn't seem to show anything but incompetence, so you can't really arrest anyone because of this.

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My issue with the government (one of them anyways) is when they do crap like this and it's a oh well, but if the business owner does it they are crushed by that same entity. My business is held to strict rules and standards by several government agencies and too often the state gives me excuses for they fail on their end. Meanwhile they never give the same understanding.

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Ive noticed the same. I'm not opposed to most of the rules I've encountered. It's the double standard that bothers me.

It must suck to have to work until you're 250 to get your Social Security.

Psycho Bunny said:

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annie88 said:

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But but but this dude says that can't be true.

Folks, dead people don’t Get Social security.

I just went through this.

My mother didn’t get a Social security deposit in July when she passed June 20th.

The funeral home NOTIFIES social security of a death.

— wanna win in 26? follow the new democrat coalition (@reesetheone1) February 17, 2025

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Well since its on the internet it must be true.

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No, but it does not mean that Lupe or Nancy Pelosi is not getting that check. I am so tired of paying taxes for this crap.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Quick math of the 110yr old plus...

17,900,000.
I've seen memes, if I recall, talking about 1300 per month in SS benefits. Maybe that's average or median... $15,600 per year

$280 BILLION per year
Just in dead SS benefits. That doesn't take in Medicare or disability fraud

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We have no information to suggest how many of these people on this list receive SS checks. There is a zero percent chance that all 360 million are receiving $15,000 a year. That would be almost $6 trillion a year, way more than we spend on SS.

unmade bed said:

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I don't understand why he just posts this kind of data without fully explaining the context. Obviously that list is not a list of people that are receiving money from Social Security. Wouldn't that be more appropriate info to share something like "The number of SSNs that belong to people receiving benefits and those people's ages"?

Surely it's easy enough to run that kind of query. Why not share that instead?

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I agree that the misleading information is a lie. It is a "well, it depends on what the definition of is, is." kind of lie.

But, to run the query you are talking about, Musk's team needs access to treasury data. I'm not sure that they have that right now, thanks to tyrannical third tier judges.