Plane upside down in Toronto

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CanyonAg77
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 10:20a, 2/21/25
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Possibility

Yes, there is the possibility the copilot was a DEI hire. There is a possibility that posters on this site are alcoholics, drug addicts, wife beaters, pedophiles, etc.

That doesn't mean I assume the worst out of everyone
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Ellis Wyatt
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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 10:26a, 2/21/25
CanyonAg77 said:
Possibility

Yes, there is the possibility the copilot was a DEI hire. There is a possibility that posters on this site are alcoholics, drug addicts, wife beaters, pedophiles, etc.

That doesn't mean I assume the worst out of everyone
I am not, either. Nor are most of us. It's why you shouldn't be offended by us having the conversation. You are digging in your heels when there is no reason to do so. Not a single person has criticized your daughter.

This woman crashed the plane, and that's a bad data point. None of us knows a lot beyond that.
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 10:33a, 2/21/25
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None of us knows a lot beyond that.

Hasn't stopped the accusations and assumptions.
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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 10:39a, 2/21/25
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CanyonAg77 said:
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None of us knows a lot beyond that.

Hasn't stopped the accusations and assumptions.


Because these companies tell the world that's why they are hiring people, because of immutable characteristics! It really shouldn't be that hard of a concept to grasp. They have brought this level of skepticism on themselves! You're smarter than this and everyone here knows it. You have to put your daughters accomplishments aside.
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10:42a, 2/21/25
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Remember this from United?



This stuff is now embedded in our national psyche. You can't blame people for questioning the qualifications of pilots when we were blatantly told they would be hiring based on gender and race. It sucks for the highly qualified and competent female and minority pilots but here we are.
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In reply to aTmAg • 10:45a, 2/21/25
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aTmAg said:
sts7049 said:
Ellis Wyatt said:
sts7049 said:

you can stick with whatever backward logic makes you happy!

i still want to know if you guys care if these white men are gay or not.
Almost everyone has said they do not care who is flying as long as they are actually qualified to do so. That doesn't seem racist or sexist to me, but hey, I just care more about arriving somewhere safely than I do about feeling good because of who is at the controls. Sadly, one has to wonder these days because of open racism and sexism in hiring practices.
i'm not really debating those people. i agree with them, i want the best most qualified pilots as well.

i'm specifically asking the one who said he only wants a white male.
Are standards lower for gay dudes? If so, then yes I would want my pilot to be straight.

Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha question?


not at all. if we're drawing arbitrary boundaries on who is acceptable, I would have thought being gay should also have been excluded too since they are one of these protected classes with DEI. I'm just wondering how narrow this distinction is supposed to be.
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In reply to Philip J Fry • 10:47a, 2/21/25
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Philip J Fry said:
And that's why DEI is sinister and unfair to women and minorities. Everyone will assume they are incompetent and just hired for diversity reasons instead of on merit. Shockingly, being racist hurts everyone


here's the thing. you don't actually have to make that assumption automatically.
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In reply to Loren Visser • 10:48a, 2/21/25
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Loren Visser said:
aTmAg said:


The facts be damned? It is a fact that DEI lowered standards for women. It is therefore likely that this pilot was of lower standards than her straight white/Asian male counterparts. It's math.

That is all fact.
Especially given the fact that she was a less experienced pilot. That indicates a recent hire when DEI were solidly entrenched in the selection of pilots and many other crucially important aviation roles.

Show me the evidence that she was competent.
and after adding an upside-down landing to her resume...

fair to question the validity of any prior evidence of competence
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In reply to sts7049 • 10:48a, 2/21/25
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not at all. if we're drawing arbitrary boundaries on who is acceptable, I would have thought being gay should also have been excluded too since they are one of these protected classes with DEI. I'm just wondering how narrow this distinction is supposed to be.
We are not the ones drawing the arbitrary boundaries. But someone did. And then lowered standards for some people. That is the whole point.
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10:48a, 2/21/25
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Actually, you do. The point of DEI isn't to find the best and the brightest. It's to fill a quota.
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In reply to Philip J Fry • 10:55a, 2/21/25
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sure. if you actually know for sure DEI is why they were hired.


and once again the circle of debate continues on this thread. I don't really have any more to say on this here as this is really going nowhere. yall enjoy the outrage
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In reply to sts7049 • 11:03a, 2/21/25
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It's perfectly reasonable to wonder if this was a result of their dei hiring practices for at least these two reasons:

1. They proudly hire for dei reasons.
2. The end result.

Of course we don't know with certainty that this is why, but due to the above, it is perfectly reasonable to view this incident through the self inflicted lens of dei hiring practices. This is not an unreasonable or illogical assumption to make.
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In reply to sts7049 • 11:04a, 2/21/25
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sts7049 said:
sure. if you actually know for sure DEI is why they were hired.


and once again the circle of debate continues on this thread. I don't really have any more to say on this here as this is really going nowhere. yall enjoy the outrage

Well that's good because I'm pretty sure that particular DEI pilot is done too.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 11:09a, 2/21/25
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Sea Speed said:
It's perfectly reasonable to wonder if this was a result of their dei hiring practices for at least these two reasons:

1. They proudly hire for dei reasons.
2. The end result.

Of course we don't know with certainty that this is why, but due to the above, it is perfectly reasonable to view this incident through the self inflicted lens of dei hiring practices. This is not an unreasonable or illogical assumption to make.



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In reply to sts7049 • 11:14a, 2/21/25
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sts7049 said:
Sea Speed said:
It's perfectly reasonable to wonder if this was a result of their dei hiring practices for at least these two reasons:

1. They proudly hire for dei reasons.
2. The end result.

Of course we don't know with certainty that this is why, but due to the above, it is perfectly reasonable to view this incident through the self inflicted lens of dei hiring practices. This is not an unreasonable or illogical assumption to make.



If it doesn't even cross your mind that this could have been a DEI hire, you're ignorant.
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In reply to redcrayon • 11:26a, 2/21/25
redcrayon said:
Remember this from United?



This stuff is now embedded in our national psyche. You can't blame people for questioning the qualifications of pilots when we were blatantly told they would be hiring based on gender and race. It sucks for the highly qualified and competent female and minority pilots but here we are.


Now we only need to know if white males make up more than 50% of their applicants. Then the circumstantial evidence would be strong and grow stronger as the percentage of white male applicants increased.

I cannot believe these idiots have not experienced DEI in their personal lives. Fed LE wanted 50% of their agents to be minorities or women even though white males made up the majority of applicants. It was obvious that they were inferior and graduated at the bottom of the class at FLETC.

Fast forward to law school. Minorities were given a huge bump on their test scores. Then they graduated at the bottom of our class.

The same phenomenon is happening across many previously white male dominated professions. I've heard the same from med school applicants.
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In reply to Tom Fox • 11:29a, 2/21/25
Tom Fox said:
redcrayon said:
Remember this from United?



This stuff is now embedded in our national psyche. You can't blame people for questioning the qualifications of pilots when we were blatantly told they would be hiring based on gender and race. It sucks for the highly qualified and competent female and minority pilots but here we are.


Now we only need to know if white males make up more than 50% of their applicant. Then the circumstantial evidence would end strong and grow stronger as the percentage of white male applicants increased.

I cannot believe these idiots have not experienced DEI in their personal lives. Fed LE wanted 50% of their agents to be minorities or women even though white males made up the majority of applicants. It was obvious that they were inferior and graduated at the bottom of the class at FLETC.

Fast forward to law school. Minorities were given a huge bump on their test scores. Then they graduated at the bottom of our class.

The same phenomenon is happening across many previously white male dominated professions. I've heard the same from med school applicants.


They have completely eliminated the PCAT for most (all?) pharmacy schools in the US to bump minority enrollment.
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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 11:32a, 2/21/25
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None of us knows a lot beyond that.

Hasn't stopped the accusations and assumptions.
Because we KNOW the standards have been lowered for some people. We just don't know who. The ones crashing aircraft are good people to suspect. It's a logical starting point.
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In reply to Tom Fox • 11:34a, 2/21/25
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You heard the same from med school applicants because it's true.

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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 11:37a, 2/21/25
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CanyonAg77 said:
I've often said that the real poison of DEI is that competent women and minorities will always have a question mark on their record.

Absolutely. I won't argue that claim at all.

Its a lead life jacket
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 11:38a, 2/21/25
Ellis Wyatt said:
CanyonAg77 said:
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None of us knows a lot beyond that.

Hasn't stopped the accusations and assumptions.
Because we KNOW the standards have been lowered for some people. We just don't know who. The ones crashing aircraft are good people to suspect. It's a logical starting point.


In law, there is something called a presumption. These presumptions are rebuttable with evidence that overcomes the presumption.

When a company/agency has stated that they are going to use some other goal or metric other than merit in hiring or create hiring targets based on something other than merit, I submit that it creates a presumption that anyone hired from the preferenced group is inferior to the group hired purely off of merit.

Now that presumption can be rebutted with evidence to the contrary, but until that happens the presumption of inferior skill stands.
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In reply to redcrayon • 12:05p, 2/21/25
redcrayon said:
sts7049 said:
Sea Speed said:
It's perfectly reasonable to wonder if this was a result of their dei hiring practices for at least these two reasons:

1. They proudly hire for dei reasons.
2. The end result.

Of course we don't know with certainty that this is why, but due to the above, it is perfectly reasonable to view this incident through the self inflicted lens of dei hiring practices. This is not an unreasonable or illogical assumption to make.



If it doesn't even cross your mind that this could have been a DEI hire, you're ignorant.
You're asking these cultish ze/zirs to question their faith. It is heresy to question or criticize DEI in any way. Getting them to acknowledge things like (i) Maybe a merit based system is both more fair, moral and effective than hiring and promoting and discriminating based on physical characteristics or (b) maybe gay pre-teen cartoon porn like "Gender Queer" doesn't really belong in elementary school libraries...would be like a Christian openly saying maybe Christ didn't rise on day 3.
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12:13p, 2/21/25


Why are airline pilots the only profession on this list where DEI is an issue?
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 12:21p, 2/21/25
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:


Why are airline pilots the only profession on this list where DEI is an issue?


Surprised by the fact that this list states being a garbage/recyclables collector, roofer, delivery driver and farmer/rancher is more dangerous than oil and gas industry work.
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12:22p, 2/21/25
Well roughnecks have been replaced with fluff necks, so there's, that.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 12:29p, 2/21/25
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Pretty simple, DEI only matters in jobs that pay well. Arduous, dirty, dangerous, time away from home usually cancel the pay out.
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In reply to GAC06 • 12:39p, 2/21/25
Probably say it's the only job on that list with a cute uniform. Fire ******ant coveralls and cajun Reeboks ain't flattering.
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In reply to Dirty-8-thirty Ag • 12:45p, 2/21/25
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Dirty-8-thirty Ag said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:


Why are airline pilots the only profession on this list where DEI is an issue?


Surprised by the fact that this list states being a garbage/recyclables collector, roofer, delivery driver and farmer/rancher is more dangerous than oil and gas industry work.
That whole list seems somewhat questionable without the methodology and underlying information used for the determination.

Obviously I'm going to presume it's per-capita. Does aircraft pilot include private and hobby pilots?
What constitutes "most dangerous?" Any on the job incident or reportable accident? So EVERY Cessna 150 and 172 that crashes gets included?

Nice list and all, but without any supporting data it's just a bulleted list on a screen.
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 1:01p, 2/21/25
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I don't agree with DEI
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1:07p, 2/21/25
The pilot is 26 year old Kendal Swanson.

DEI strikes again?

I am happy she isn't dead and didn't kill anyone else.



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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 1:09p, 2/21/25
It's a cursory list used to demonstrate a larger point.

But the fact that people attacking the veracity of the list, also demonstrates another unrelated point.
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1:11p, 2/21/25
Probably had a hot flash or menstrual cramp…
“A drunkard’s dream if I ever did see one”
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1:13p, 2/21/25
Even though I beat up on DEI women, it still saddens me at some level. I have 2 women in my life - wife and daughter. Both work hard, one at work other in school.

Now thanks to these DEI simps (all male, likely 60+ white men), everything they do is tainted with "ahhh another DEI". I say that about other females, like when a female classmate of my son with the same profile got a ton of top school admits and my son just got 1. Now this girl is inundated with internships from quant trading companies and my son is struggling to get a good name-brand company. This is the situation when she had other male classmates do her school homework. I just tell him to just deal with it, this is the world we are in. Just work hard and grab opportunities and don't compare with any female.

What a terrible world we live in.
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In reply to SuhrThang • 1:14p, 2/21/25
SuhrThang said:
Probably had a hot flash or menstrual cramp…

I am no expert, but she is 26. Isn't that an old lady thing?
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In reply to Tom Fox • 1:31p, 2/21/25
Tom Fox said:
redcrayon said:
Remember this from United?



This stuff is now embedded in our national psyche. You can't blame people for questioning the qualifications of pilots when we were blatantly told they would be hiring based on gender and race. It sucks for the highly qualified and competent female and minority pilots but here we are.
I cannot believe these idiots have not experienced DEI in their personal lives.


Very likely that they have but were the beneficiaries of it, and that's why they'll defend even when it's ******ed to do so
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