A miracle no deaths and were going to hear about some real heroes on that aircraft that kept the chaos down while assisting a whole lot of pax out of their seats upside down and out those doors.

I am a frequent flyer, who has been in a couple of near mishaps between MIL Aviation and Commercial, that I still go through the Emergency procedure card and count rows from my seat to the closest Exit but I have never read that card upside down.

I was thinking on that line. Those emergency doors I would guess are designed to open I guess, with gravity in mind. Maybe not, I don't know, and rarely sit in those seats.

If I'm on that plane no chance I'm not going to the hospital regardless of how uninjured I may feel

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I was thinking on that line. Those emergency doors I would guess are designed to open I guess, with gravity in mind. Maybe not, I don't know, and rarely sit in those seats.

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Plus the slides go in the opposite direction, right?

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Going by the picture guessing skidded on taxing landing (or take-off) and flipped over. Another clue is the no fatalities--- velocity maybe moderate. Just speculating.

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Uhhh... Where are the wings?

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I'm no airplane mechanic but I don't see them either.

If those were the winds that ain't that hard to land in…

Costello is the worst. Absolute drama queen....every time I hear him on the Today Show I have to remind myself why I hate the Today Show and change the channel.

aggiehawg said:

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Deerdude said:

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I was thinking on that line. Those emergency doors I would guess are designed to open I guess, with gravity in mind. Maybe not, I don't know, and rarely sit in those seats.

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Plus the slides go in the opposite direction, right?

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Yes. Slides are generally packed in the bottom of the door and when the door is "armed" are latched to the floor. FA snaps a red strap across the door window to indicate the door is armed.

My understanding is that PAX can open over wing doors but FA will open those main cabin doors. All but the smallest regionals swing side to side vs down(often with built in stairs)

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If those were the winds that ain't that hard to land in…

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Dumb question here, but with cross winds, is there a need for more thrust and working the flaps to maintain heading? So at a slower air speed to land the craft makes the plane more susceptible to slip sideways off of their heading? Slipstream?

(I know with operating a high profile boat in a hefty cross wind, you need to gun the motors back and forth. Had a good friend with a 62 foot Bluewater and we would be out on Travis when storm squalls came in.).

aggiehawg said:

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v1rotate92 said:

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If those were the winds that ain't that hard to land in…

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Dumb question here, but with cross winds, is there a need for more thrust and working the flaps to maintain heading? So at a slower air speed to land the craft makes the plane more susceptible to slip sideways off of their heading? Slipstream?

(I know with operating a high profile boat in a hefty cross wind, you need to gun the motors back and forth. Had a good friend with a 62 foot Bluewater and we would be out on Travis when storm squalls came in.).

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I'm not a licensed pilot but crosswinds just require pointing the nose of the plane just enough towards the wind to make up for the sideways vector and stay lined up with the runway, then straightening out just before landing. Higher landing speeds are needed to make up for gusty wind conditions by adding half of the difference between the steady wind speed and the gust speed. Flap settings will depend on the aircraft and the wind conditions but generally less flaps are used with high crosswinds. Of course, with less flaps the landing speed will be a little faster. That's my limited knowledge, could have a few details wrong.

Thanks.

Small plane experience only but generally speaking we crab the plane into the wind until just above the runway and then straighten out and slip (ailerons into the wind and rudder opposite) until touchdown one wheel at a time- upwind first, then downwind, then nose.

Above point speed vs flaps is correct. More flaps is like more surface for the wind to grab a hold of.

Bigger point is all planes have a max crosswind component. It's the pilots job to know if the wind speed and angle exceed the certified capability of the type. Density altitude and runway conditions play into it as well.

Sometimes it gusts though and there's not a darn thing you can do about it.

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I Am A Critic said:

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I think this is the longest a plane crash thread has ever been up without ignorant masses blaming it on DEI.

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It's Canada so assumed.

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POTD

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Small plane experience only but generally speaking we crab the plane into the wind until just above the runway and then straighten out and slip (ailerons into the wind and rudder opposite) until touchdown one wheel at a time- upwind first, then downwind, then nose.

Above point speed vs flaps is correct. More flaps is like more surface for the wind to grab a hold of.

Bigger point is all planes have a max crosswind component. It's the pilots job to know if the wind speed and angle exceed the certified capability of the type. Density altitude and runway conditions play into it as well.

Sometimes it gusts though and there's not a darn thing you can do about it.

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Thank you. I remember the crash in Dallas in the 80s with a severe downdraft that just put the plane into the tarmac during the landing. Wind shear, IIRC?

Psycho Bunny said:

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I'm sure Eric Fang Fang Swalwell will be on the news blaming trump. Oh wait he already did.


Plane crashes are trump's fault

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And Trump has created inflation in 3 weeks as well.

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v1rotate92 said:

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If those were the winds that ain't that hard to land in…

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Dumb question here, but with cross winds, is there a need for more thrust and working the flaps to maintain heading? So at a slower air speed to land the craft makes the plane more susceptible to slip sideways off of their heading? Slipstream?

(I know with operating a high profile boat in a hefty cross wind, you need to gun the motors back and forth. Had a good friend with a 62 foot Bluewater and we would be out on Travis when storm squalls came in.).

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I saw these comments by pilots on one of the articles.
Disclaimer: I am not a pilot nor have I stayed in a Motel 6 lately.

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As a pilot, snow and 70mph winds, I would have rerouted to a different airport.

Once i was headed towards twin falls ID and they would not land any plane because they had 70 mph winds. I flew out of the storm until the weather cleared enough for me to land.

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High crosswinds on an icy runway with a twin engine T-Tail plane can be challenging. I flew the Lear 35 and there was a caution about using Thrust Reversers (TRs) in icy conditions with high crosswinds because the TRs can block the effectiveness of the rudder. With the nose wheel on ice and the crosswind rudder inputs blocked out, the aircraft can weathervane into the winds and quickly depart the runway.

T-Tail plane means that the control surface on the rear of the plane are at the top of the tail not inline with the fuselage. Trust reversers are are , without knowing the plane, pop out plates on the rear of the engines that rotate to the rear and redirect the thrust toward the front of the aircraft. I would assume that the TR's are lowering the effectiveness of the rudder is due to reduced windspeed over the rudder. Not sure about the icy conditions and how they would have effected the nose wheel. I can only assume pretty much like a rear wheel drive vehicle. I do know that some military aircraft the pilots pretty much took their hands off the stick and just slapped it for course corrections on iced over runways.

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Muy said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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I'm sure Eric Fang Fang Swalwell will be on the news blaming trump. Oh wait he already did.


Plane crashes are trump's fault

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And Trump has created inflation in 3 weeks as well.

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Even for the Democrats and pieces of **** like Eric Swalwell, I'm amazed at them trying to push this ***** The man has been office not even a month but yet this is all his fault. And this happened in Toronto. Can we please stop the stupid? And they all just please shut the **** up.

aggiehawg said:

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80sGeorge said:

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Small plane experience only but generally speaking we crab the plane into the wind until just above the runway and then straighten out and slip (ailerons into the wind and rudder opposite) until touchdown one wheel at a time- upwind first, then downwind, then nose.

Above point speed vs flaps is correct. More flaps is like more surface for the wind to grab a hold of.

Bigger point is all planes have a max crosswind component. It's the pilots job to know if the wind speed and angle exceed the certified capability of the type. Density altitude and runway conditions play into it as well.

Sometimes it gusts though and there's not a darn thing you can do about it.

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Thank you. I remember the crash in Dallas in the 80s with a severe downdraft that just put the plane into the tarmac during the landing. Wind shear, IIRC?

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Yep, Delta 191. Crashed short of Runway 17L (now 17C), crushed a car on 114, and hit two above ground water tanks. The tanks are still there (near the FedEx facility) and for years you could see the dents in the tanks from the impact. They've since been refurbished.

Nm

That was a thunderstorm related microburst. Think of air coming down from above. Those guys would've rather had a 50 knot gust from the side than one from above that took away all their lift at maybe 500 ft.

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leachfan said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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I think this is the longest a plane crash thread has ever been up without ignorant masses blaming it on DEI.

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It's Canada so assumed.

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POTD

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Embarrassing

Bang ding ow

Picard said:

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Bang ding ow

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Wi To Lo

Sum Ting Wong

GAC06 said:

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annie88 said:

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leachfan said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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I think this is the longest a plane crash thread has ever been up without ignorant masses blaming it on DEI.

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It's Canada so assumed.

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POTD

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Embarrassing

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Not when you look at or listen to Justin Trudeau for members of their government.

They're as bad as American Democrats.

What does Justin Trudeau have to do with Endeavor Air? Take a break.

Someone needs to teach these pilots to do barrel rolls at 5,000 feet or more to avoid this situation.

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What does Justin Trudeau have to do with Endeavor Air? Take a break.

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Well, the left is blaming Trump for all these Air issues in America, regardless of airport, this one happened in Toronto so I would think these lame brains would blame the Prime Minister. Not really that hard of a connection.

Was it really too hard for you to follow? Really?

I think you need to take a break.

"The left" said something stupid so you decided to try to one-up them. Well done.

My idiot lib cousin is blaming the Trump administration and FAA....for a plane crash in Canada. So delusional

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"The left" said something stupid so you decided to try to one-up them. Well done.

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The original post was a joke. I thought it was funny so I said so.. Then you went and had a hissy fit. Good Lord.

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My idiot lib cousin is blaming the Trump administration and FAA....for a plane crash in Canada. So delusional

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They all are. The man has been in office less than a month, but this is all his fault. Nothing he could've even done in a month would've prevented any of these and they're all for different reasons.

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"The left" said something stupid so you decided to try to one-up them. Well done.

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The original post was a joke. I thought it was funny so I said so.. Then you went and had a hissy fit. Good Lord.

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You said "POTD" referring to a post blaming DEI in Canada. Then you doubled down trying to defend it. Now you're deflecting and crawfishing. Have a good night.

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annie88 said:

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GAC06 said:

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"The left" said something stupid so you decided to try to one-up them. Well done.

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The original post was a joke. I thought it was funny so I said so.. Then you went and had a hissy fit. Good Lord.

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You said "POTD" referring to a post blaming DEI in Canada. Then you doubled down trying to defend it. Now you're deflecting and crawfishing. Have a good night.

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He was making a joke that Canadians are stupid and ignorant. It just happened to be regarding DEI.

Bless your heart.

Conservative men of F16 hold back from defending Annie, knowing she can defend herself quite well.

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Picard said:

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Bang ding ow

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Wi To Lo

Sum Ting Wong

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Ho Lee ***