Having grown up in a mostly liberal (old school liberal) family it saddens me to read about some of you losing relationships over politics. Imo, there is very little a parent can do to influence there child's politics. I was very different from my mom and brothers when it came to politics, but it has never harmed our relationships.

My younger son was conservative as a teenager but has now seemingly drifted away since he's been living with his gf in Canada. We don't discuss politics in depth anymore and I don't push him or make him defend an opinion when it does come up. I love him like any father should love his son and would be heartbroken if he cut off contact with me over politics. Which is why I no longer bring up politics when we have our weekly phone call.

It seems like some of you are possibly a little bit guilty of over sharing your politics with your kids when you know they'll disagree. I can relate to the feeling of wanting to defend your self, especially when you know their argument or complaint is misinformed. But you've got to be the bigger person and just let it go if you want to keep a good relationship with them. It's what I do with my sons and other family members.

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I see lots of blame being placed on schools and the internet and everything else, but no mention of parenting….

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That's not fair. His other children are not behaving the same way.

My two sons (2 years apart) went to the exact same schools, raised the same way from pre-K through high school. We raised them the same way yet one is much more liberal than the other. The only differences outside of home are the teachers and coaches in high school as they took different classes and had different extra curricular activities.

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Sorry man. Been reading this but not responding. Prayers for you and yours.

My only feedback is that it's good she is healthy, thinking on her own, even if wrongly, and is likely to grow out of this phase eventually, even if she doesn't 'correct' politically. This sort of 'rage phase' we had to deal with, with one of ours in particular, but not quite to that scale.

The world is a tough place, and having good parents who love you is something she will eventually appreciate, imho.

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Sounds like more than a "rage phase". Sounds like she's actually a lesbian, he didn't support her, and so she found a group that did. You can fix the second part, but there's to "fixing" the first part.

Has OP tried labelling his offspring the " daughter of nazis"?

Seriously tho, I have a left leaning daughter. It's not nearly that level and she has moderated over time. She's 25 now and I tease her regularly about her master's degree ( Nursing) being paid for by "EVIL OIL & GAS". She laughs. I say this to ask how old is your daughter? I suggest it will probably get better with time.

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Captain Winky said:

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I see lots of blame being placed on schools and the internet and everything else, but no mention of parenting….

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That's not fair. His other children are not behaving the same way.

My two sons (2 years apart) went to the exact same schools, raised the same way from pre-K through high school. We raised them the same way yet one is much more liberal than the other. The only differences outside of home are the teachers and coaches in high school as they took different classes and had different extra curricular activities.

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Same parents can raise kids in different ways.
We raised our oldest much more focused to academics. He did well, worked hard and is in a top college. Our younger one, we lost the plot a bit and while she is smart, she isn't close to the older one.

We got older, life happened etc etc.

Ok. I don't know either. I'm not going to debate this but I think he still loves her, and that people can be saved. Everything else is not really…in my area. I perceive the OP is hurting from this relationship's situation and pray/hope things improve. Love conquers all.

I know a few people who have an angry libtard adult kid. In every case, the woke kid is:
- Female.
- Near morbidly obese levels.
- Lives at home/struggles to hold down a steady job (Starbucks to Substitute Teacher to Home Health Care type stuff).
- Colorful hair.
- Wacky glasses - cat-eye or wild colors or something.
- Pasty white skin from lack of sun, contrasted with cheap-looking tattoos (butterfly, Betty Boop, and always some stupid word or quote).
- The nose ring. I think this has become standard issue.

As others have said, I really believe it's highly correlated with mental illness, self-loathing, unable to function with normal people, etc.

I don't know what the answer is.

Prayers for your family. I would say we (parents) are all different and so are they(children). I'll share my story in hopes that something in it may help you. My exwife filed for divorce when our daughter was 11. 2 years later I met a woman that I married 3 years after the divorce. During that time, my daughter heard a lot of bad things about me that were not true. She had a lot of questions about me as a person. At the worst, a friend of both her mom and I sat her down and told her that all she was hearing about me was a lie, that I loved her and that I gave up a lot so that she and her mom had a good life. All that is to say that I did my best to love her as God loves me. I love her because she is my daughter. She does not have to earn it by conforming to my desires. She cannot earn it. I may disagree with what she believes, but as my daughter I will always love her as John Q. loved his son. Over the years, I did my best to show that to her through my actions. Today, she is 28. She has given me three grandchildren. She may not think I am the wisest man in the world, but she does think I am the wisest to whom she has ready access. She also knows that I would give my life for her or any of her children. All this to say make sure she knows you love her. It doesn't mean rewarding her behavior with which you disagree, but I think it means loving her anyway. Easier said than done.

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I hope with time your daughter will stop calling you a Nazi, and I also hope with time you will be able to accept that she is an adult now and needs to find her own way in life.

I feel we are raising our girl children wrong.

We molly-coddle them, give them DEI college admits, DEI jobs, they are always in some delusional world about how good they are. Almost all women I know have this delusion about their strength. Some years ago, my wife had started to go to the gym taking those strength classes. I was not, back then. Suddenly one day she says she was stronger than I was. I laughed it off. A day later as she was walking by, she bumped into me and fell violently from the impact. I thought if a small impact could cause that, what if I had tried to subdue her in a contest?

I had a female friend who some years ago told me that female investment managers do better than men. "Studies have proved this". But then she herself lets her intelligent husband do their finances. Almost everyone I know does the same.

Women yap a lot. Rich old white men have enabled this behavior.

Instagram and TikTok have worsened the quality of women. They are all obsessed with likes and even creepy comments for their coquettish pictures of themselves that they post. If they get their kicks from the internet where every pedo is telling them how hot they are, why will they learn to behave themselves?

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I pray all the self-righteous people in this thread blaming these estrangements on "less than perfect" parenting never have to go through this. It reminds me of a good friend of mine's dad who always said "never say 'my kid would never' because they'll turn around and do it bigger than you can imagine."

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Suddenly one day she says she was stronger than I was. I laughed it off. A day later as she was walking by, she bumped into me and fell violently from the impact. I thought if a small impact could cause that, what if I had tried to subdue her in a contest?

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Very weird thing to admit.

Everybody in this post exchange keeps asking or wondering "what caused this"…

It's mostly attributable to feminist BS…. Which women have sub-consciously and consciously bought into…

I have seen this same thing play out over and over personally… They're either daughters or sons with woke girlfriends..

My wife and I talk about this all the time..
Somewhere along the line, women's fears (across the US population) overtook them… They have been conditioned to live in fear and to "stand up" to all the bad things men are going to do to them…

I think this woke/liberal mindset is to a certain degree a fad. Growing up, my parents were pretty conservative.
Hell my dad voted for George Wallace.

My mother who is the 'most liberal' of the women in my family was back in the day one of the most racist people i've ever met.

I remember as a kid, I got $10 for mowing a yard and went to the store and bought candy with it. My mother asked what I did with the money and I told her I bought candy. Her response and i'll never forget it was, "Spending your money like a n-word on a saturday night!"

She worked for the newspaper in Conroe for years and when she retired they wrote an article about her and in the article she literally insulted the entire population of Montgomery County because it is so conservative. She was moving out of state to live with my America hating sister The emails and phone calls I got regarding that article embarrassed me to no end.

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......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.

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When my sons line me up against the wall for being too communist I will know that I have raised them correctly and that I have succeeded as a father.

That future is coming and Alpha/Zoomers will be far to the right of us Millennials, even us dissidents.

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I remember as a kid, I got $10 for mowing a yard and went to the store and bought candy with it

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Didn't you say you were 65? $10 when we were kid is like over $50 today!

Talk about spoiled!

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I think this woke/liberal mindset is to a certain degree a fad. Growing up, my parents were pretty conservative.
Hell my dad voted for George Wallace.

My mother who is the 'most liberal' of the women in my family was back in the day one of the most racist people i've ever met.

I remember as a kid, I got $10 for mowing a yard and went to the store and bought candy with it. My mother asked what I did with the money and I told her I bought candy. Her response and i'll never forget it was, "Spending your money like a n-word on a saturday night!"

She worked for the newspaper in Conroe for years and when she retired they wrote an article about her and in the article she literally insulted the entire population of Montgomery County because it is so conservative. She was moving out of state to live with my America hating sister The emails and phone calls I got regarding that article embarrassed me to no end.

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Everyone is a product of their times.
I don't know when your mother was born but I am pretty sure when she was growing up, this kind of talk was very common.

And of course we all change as we get older.

If politics gets in the way of your family and relationships, dial back the politics.

If it gets in the way of your job, dial it back.

If it gets in the way of your mental health, dial it back.

None of these things are worth sacrificing for politics. Politics has a much less impact on our daily lives, relative to the attention and power we give it. It's not worth it.

That advice only works if BOTH sides are willing to dial back the politics!

What do you do when one family member won't shut up about politics? (Asking for a sister )

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That advice only works if BOTH sides are willing to dial back the politics!

What do you do when one family member won't shut up about politics? (Asking for a sister )

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Change the subject. Let them vent for a bit and steer away. Avoid situations that invite that sort of discussion. Have a no phones or no news policy while you're around each other. It can wait.

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I hope with time your daughter will stop calling you a Nazi, and I also hope with time you will be able to accept that she is an adult now and needs to find her own way in life.

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I don't understand the whole angst of being called a name whether it's Nazi, SOB, Ahole or whatever. Let it roll off your back. Somebody calling me a Nazi wouldn't bother me a bit because I know I'm not one. Name calling is a childish outburst to get a reaction.

Funny and close to home though, as a teenager two of my best friends and running buddies were brothers of German descent. One we all called Zeke and the other's nickname was Nazi........he wasn't offended in the least.

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Wait, I thought your folks now say sexuality and gender were both fluid and exist on a spectrum with infinite dimensions?

Are you reversing back to the idea that genetic code determines outcomes and therefore no one has personal responsibility for their sexuality? Circa 1990

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Doesn't matter what you call it. The root of the OP problem is that he condemns his daughter for being gay. It's not about politics per se. Until he confronts that, the relationship won't change for the better.

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Wait, I thought your folks now say sexuality and gender were both fluid and exist on a spectrum with infinite dimensions?

Are you reversing back to the idea that genetic code determines outcomes and therefore no one has personal responsibility for their sexuality? Circa 1990

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Doesn't matter what you call it. The root of the OP problem is that he condemns his daughter for being gay. It's not about politics per se. Until he confronts that, the relationship won't change for the better.

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I don't think he ever said he condemns her.. just that he doesn't accept that lifestyle. Which makes sense being that he is a Christ follower.

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Op, you can do what you want but for me, nothing comes between me and my kids. Not their friends. Not my opinions. Not my politics. Not my religion. Not my God. I will break every law of my kingdom and the Lords if I must to support and save my kids.

You say your kid is living a lesbian lifestyle. Is she a lesbian? It's a pretty ignorant and uneducated view to set up camp and die on the hill of "it's a choice". She has not changed from a child. She does not want you to "save" her. She wants a father that supports and guides her. If you want to use the Bible as a crutch and excuse to not help her, that is of course your decision but be aware that you will die before she comes back to you if you do that. It is your choice to make.

I have an old man that is stubborn and ignorant as well. I spent many years trying to fix the relationship but it's not me that needed to fix it. He's broke. He Hasn't spoken to me or my sister in 20 years, my mother died, he owes the government money. He is alone. Completely alone.

You will not win this if you continue on your path of stubbornness . If you must beat her on the head with the Bible, find some of those mercy and forgiveness verses to do it with. Again, you can do what you want but I'm telling you how this is going to end.

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I don't mean this to offend you, but if you put your children before God - you don't know God. I would seek repentance for making your kids idols that you put before the God of the universe.

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Praying the gay away is batting 0.000 in all of history.

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Womens' sexuality is a lot more fluid than men's. I have seen women turn gay because of trauma or horrible relationships with men. It is also just a phase for many girls.

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That advice only works if BOTH sides are willing to dial back the politics!

What do you do when one family member won't shut up about politics? (Asking for a sister )

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Change the subject. Let them vent for a bit and steer away. Avoid situations that invite that sort of discussion. Have a no phones or no news policy while you're around each other. It can wait.

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This is the way. I have a sister that is far left, but not crazy. We avoid subjects we don't agree upon and find common ground on issues in which we share similar opinions. We had blowouts long ago, and we both agreed just to stay away from those type topics.

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Wait, I thought your folks now say sexuality and gender were both fluid and exist on a spectrum with infinite dimensions?

Are you reversing back to the idea that genetic code determines outcomes and therefore no one has personal responsibility for their sexuality? Circa 1990

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Doesn't matter what you call it. The root of the OP problem is that he condemns his daughter for being gay. It's not about politics per se. Until he confronts that, the relationship won't change for the better.

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You can accept someone for who they are without embracing their lifestyle. Those are not mutually exclusive. I love my children no matter what they do or say, but that does not obligate me to support their decisions as adults.

The root of the problem lies with this daughter who expects her parents to not only love her -- which they do -- but to also embrace every aspect of her lifestyle, speech, and behavior. She's the one who needs to grow up and learn how to interact respectfully with people with whom you fundamentally disagree on topics that you feel passionate about.

Just because you feel passionate about something doesn't give you the right to act like a jerk to others.

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Wait, I thought your folks now say sexuality and gender were both fluid and exist on a spectrum with infinite dimensions?

Are you reversing back to the idea that genetic code determines outcomes and therefore no one has personal responsibility for their sexuality? Circa 1990

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Doesn't matter what you call it. The root of the OP problem is that he condemns his daughter for being gay. It's not about politics per se. Until he confronts that, the relationship won't change for the better.

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I don't think he ever said he condemns her.. just that he doesn't accept that lifestyle. Which makes sense being that he is a Christ follower.

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I don't know that he said that either, but he is not accepting of her sexuality. I'm not saying he has to accept it, but it's a part of who she is. That is bigger than politics. If a person is not accepted because of a part of themselves, it's going to be difficult to have a relationship. Political arguments in this case are just a symptom of the feeling of lack of acceptance. This has played out millions of times before Trump and will continue after he's gone.

NM. Thread has evolved far past the first page.

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OP, have your daughter read a Thomas Sowell book. He does a great job at dismantling liberal ideas. One thing that makes him compelling is that he was once like your daughter, even at an older age. He was formerly a Marxist, and he's African American.

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Agree with this. Two I have read and recommend:

Black Rednecks and White Liberals
Discrimination and Disparities