Bondag said:

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HoustonAg9999 said:

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Education is pretty much babysitting now,!

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As someone who was a teacher and also a member of a teacher's union, we had a saying:

Education is now daycare with entertainment.

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I hear push for 4 day school with extended hours or year round and the only pushback I get is "I don't have enough PTO to watch kids"

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I saw yesterday that Whitney ISD polled school employees and they responded 94.7% that they wanted to go to a 4 day work week. So, they're going to a 4 day work week.

Didn't see that they asked parents or the community. Of course the teachers want a 4 day work week. And school is all about them.

Maybe go the other direction. Declare they are government employees of the type and can't have unions -- like the air traffic controllers under Reagan.

The problem that seems most behind and recurring common denominator perpetuating the regressive agendas as well as poor education that flops so much seems to the Teacher's Unions.

I wasn't aware of that. Texas is the state. I will ask my brother about it.

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They so badly want big old govt to tell them what to do.

If your local school doesnt provide good support for a particular type of student, lobby for it. Or, move. organize with like-minded parents and community members, come up with candidates for the school board and fix it yourselves. People don't realize the ability to make their lives better, is right in front of them, with some effort. You can do it!

There are other options other than having Big Govt spend more, provide less, and get worse results.

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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College costs have skyrocketed directly because of government intervention in the loan market. Yes you needed financial aid. But would you have needed it if government hadn't screwed over college pricing so bad for the past 45 years?

My view is that education literally can't get any worse than it currently is. ****ty people stay in power forever because people worry about short term costs instead of long term benefits. Rip it out by the branch and see if what grows is any better.

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What I read posts like that I think 'why doesn't he(earth rider) just worked. I worked for and paid for most of my college. 95-99. And I wasn't special for doing so. I knew hundreds of people working their way through. And I graduated in 5+ years with no debt.

You cannot do that anymore mostly because of those loans he speaks so highly of.

Earth Rider said:

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I'm as red as they come.

But I wonder how this will impact my niece who has severe dryslexia. I know the public schools provided special accommodations for her, and my understanding is the public universities will do the same.

Also, I needed financial aid to get through college, i don't know how I would have got through college without it. I assume the dept of education provides that as well.

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Hold one sec while I check in the Constitution where I'm supposed to pay for that. I'll be back in a bit. Don't go away.

Photog said:

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Aggie95 said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I'm as red as they come.

But I wonder how this will impact my niece who has severe dryslexia. I know the public schools provided special accommodations for her, and my understanding is the public universities will do the same.

Also, I needed financial aid to get through college, i don't know how I would have got through college without it. I assume the dept of education provides that as well.

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I would assume your niece will be taken care of by the Texas (or whatever state) dept of education.

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Not sure what state they are in, but that's a strong assumption for Texas. I hope I'm wrong. Texas is currently trying get rid of 504 plans which may cover dyslexia.

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Texas as well as 16 other states are suing the Federal Government over the 504 requirement that was put in place by the DOE over gender dysphoria, it is not to get rid of 504 altogether, just that part of 504z

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Earth Rider said:

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I'm as red as they come.

But I wonder how this will impact my niece who has severe dryslexia. I know the public schools provided special accommodations for her, and my understanding is the public universities will do the same.

Also, I needed financial aid to get through college, i don't know how I would have got through college without it. I assume the dept of education provides that as well.

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Hold one sec while I check in the Constitution where I'm supposed to pay for that. I'll be back in a bit. Don't go away.

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Everything that we agree or disagree that we pay for is not in the constitution. That's a dumb argument.

Don't go far.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Bondag said:

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AggieTFA06 said:

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HoustonAg9999 said:

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Education is pretty much babysitting now,!

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As someone who was a teacher and also a member of a teacher's union, we had a saying:

Education is now daycare with entertainment.

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I hear push for 4 day school with extended hours or year round and the only pushback I get is "I don't have enough PTO to watch kids"

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I saw yesterday that Whitney ISD polled school employees and they responded 94.7% that they wanted to go to a 4 day work week. So, they're going to a 4 day work week.

Didn't see that they asked parents or the community. Of course the teachers want a 4 day work week. And school is all about them.

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Until the state gives up on certifications for public school teachers, school districts are forced to scramble to find, hire and retain certified teachers. And that's a dwindling pool. So, yes, teachers have quite a bit of power, and districts are being forced to look for ways to make those teachers happy (and higher pay usually isn't always part of the equation).

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Bondag said:

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Why is the left in an uproar over the department of education?

I hear horror stories about disabled kids are going to be pushed aside if it is no longer required, but doesn't that fall on the states anyways?

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Some people are concerned because of the federal regulations around IDEA. If the Department of Education goes, I guess IDEA would also go, and parents will have to start over with the state government. Texas doesn't love public education, especially when kids with special needs are involved. The law gives parents a leg to stand on when advocating for their children to people in control of limited resources. Need to eliminate bloated administration and fancy stadiums.

It's so easy to say if you don't like it, move. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, but it could be very painful, especially for families already dealing with various types of hell, or at the least, complications. It would help people if they had time to start lobbying before the plug is pulled. If you have no sympathy for that, congrats on it not being your problem. That's one blessing you have.

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It will be very difficult to get rid of the abuse in 504s and at the same time protect the ones that we as I society generally agree on. From what I can tell the clear majority of 504s are either silly, abusive, or fraud. Almost all come from overprotective parents which has been a problem for a while now. But there are certainly some that need the services it was originally designed for. And in all fairness I wouldn't expect Texas to be very good at that.

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General Jack D. Ripper said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I'm as red as they come.

But I wonder how this will impact my niece who has severe dryslexia. I know the public schools provided special accommodations for her, and my understanding is the public universities will do the same.

Also, I needed financial aid to get through college, i don't know how I would have got through college without it. I assume the dept of education provides that as well.

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Hold one sec while I check in the Constitution where I'm supposed to pay for that. I'll be back in a bit. Don't go away.

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Everything that we agree or disagree that we pay for is not in the constitution. That's a dumb argument.

Don't go far.

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Tell me where it ends then. If you believe this, then you are the root of the debt. Using your rationale we could justify any expense. It's the cancer of the concerned moderate.

Teachers should be REJOICING that Trump is giving up his ability to dictate how they do their jobs.

The fact that they're upset betrays the reality that the DOE was NEVER going to be reigned in or project a conservative message. It has become an ideological ally to leftist indoctrinators which cannot be reformed.

They're reassuring the merit of DOE termination with their protestations.

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Photog said:

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Bondag said:

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Why is the left in an uproar over the department of education?

I hear horror stories about disabled kids are going to be pushed aside if it is no longer required, but doesn't that fall on the states anyways?

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Some people are concerned because of the federal regulations around IDEA. If the Department of Education goes, I guess IDEA would also go, and parents will have to start over with the state government. Texas doesn't love public education, especially when kids with special needs are involved. The law gives parents a leg to stand on when advocating for their children to people in control of limited resources. Need to eliminate bloated administration and fancy stadiums.

It's so easy to say if you don't like it, move. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, but it could be very painful, especially for families already dealing with various types of hell, or at the least, complications. It would help people if they had time to start lobbying before the plug is pulled. If you have no sympathy for that, congrats on it not being your problem. That's one blessing you have.

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It will be very difficult to get rid of the abuse in 504s and at the same time protect the ones that we as I society generally agree on. From what I can tell the clear majority of 504s are either silly, abusive, or fraud. Almost all come from overprotective parents which has been a problem for a while now. But there are certainly some that need the services it was originally designed for. And in all fairness I wouldn't expect Texas to be very good at that.

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My oldest daughter had severe dyslexia and was ADD, the 504 worked great for her, however I knew a number of parents that did abuse or tried to abuse 504 throughout all my kids growing up in public school.

There's a conversation we've avoided having as a nation for 50 years: school ain't for everyone. On the spectrum from Honors kids bound for college to sped kids being incoherently rolled around there should be a dozen off ramps and alternative options that better serve kids and communities.

We've given professional teachers the power to design education and they overemphasize the path that they took: college for all! Meanwhile the majority of students are poorly served by the entire endeavor.

Some learning "disabilities" can be advantages if you don't force round pegs through square holes.

Yep. For some college means a rewarding career and self sufficiency. For others it means an assistant manger position at Walgreens and a lifetime of servitude when they could have built a business with their trade.

This is why the Department of Education needs totally razed: because they have been fomenting a cultural revolution. It's straight from Gramsci's playbook: begin with the children. It's unmistakable when you look at every piece of evidence that @realchrisrufo is now chronicling. pic.twitter.com/qTyZk3UR3r

— J.D. Haltigan, PhD 🏒👨‍💻 (@JDHaltigan) February 13, 2025

MelvinUdall said:

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Photog said:

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Aggie95 said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I'm as red as they come.

But I wonder how this will impact my niece who has severe dryslexia. I know the public schools provided special accommodations for her, and my understanding is the public universities will do the same.

Also, I needed financial aid to get through college, i don't know how I would have got through college without it. I assume the dept of education provides that as well.

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I would assume your niece will be taken care of by the Texas (or whatever state) dept of education.

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Not sure what state they are in, but that's a strong assumption for Texas. I hope I'm wrong. Texas is currently trying get rid of 504 plans which may cover dyslexia.

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Texas as well as 16 other states are suing the Federal Government over the 504 requirement that was put in place by the DOE over gender dysphoria, it is not to get rid of 504 altogether, just that part of 504z

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Oh good, thanks for clarifying!

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I had a very short debate with my conservative teacher wife last night. I told her the push for merit based pay would double her salary. She agreed (real superstar that everyone loves) but said I don't they're really feasible. Too hard to implement

I make a few points on how to do it. And close by saying the teacher unions have brainwashed you all on this topic. To the point that you aren't thinking rationally on it.

She paused for a minute thinking. Then said damn. You're right.

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Never in my life have I heard a man winning an argument with his wife.

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Just LOL'd in bed laying next to my debate opponent. Problem is I can't admit truthfully why I'm laughing.

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Why is the left in an uproar over the department of education?

I hear horror stories about disabled kids are going to be pushed aside if it is no longer required, but doesn't that fall on the states anyways?

The way I look I it I could give $100 to the DOE, they give $80 to the State. State gives $70 to school district.

Or I could give $100 to the district.

I know my corruption in there is lacking a lot of grift, but what else am I missing?

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The left are in an uproar because they're contrarians. Whatever Trump and or the right wants, they just want the opposite. That is their only core belief - to oppose Republicans.

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agsalaska said:

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General Jack D. Ripper said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I'm as red as they come.

But I wonder how this will impact my niece who has severe dryslexia. I know the public schools provided special accommodations for her, and my understanding is the public universities will do the same.

Also, I needed financial aid to get through college, i don't know how I would have got through college without it. I assume the dept of education provides that as well.

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Hold one sec while I check in the Constitution where I'm supposed to pay for that. I'll be back in a bit. Don't go away.

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Everything that we agree or disagree that we pay for is not in the constitution. That's a dumb argument.

Don't go far.

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Tell me where it ends then. If you believe this, then you are the root of the debt. Using your rationale we could justify any expense. It's the cancer of the concerned moderate.

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If I believe this? What in the world are you talking about. It's how our government works. We actually can justify any expense through congress. It has nothing to do with being a liberal, conservative, concerned moderate. The constitution was not designed to tell us what the federal government could or could not spend money on. That's a complete misunderstanding of that document and how our system works.

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Until the state gives up on certifications for public school teachers, school districts are forced to scramble to find, hire and retain certified teachers. And that's a dwindling pool. So, yes, teachers have quite a bit of power, and districts are being forced to look for ways to make those teachers happy (and higher pay usually isn't always part of the equation).

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The downstream effects will be terrible. That's why the community should be polled. Most parents work 5 days a week. Having unsupervised kids 1 day a week won't be good.

But as we all know, public education now exists to serve teachers and administrators.

Most teachers have no idea who Gramsci is. The professors in education programs probably do, but not the average teacher. Most are like most of the Democrats I know, wannabe do-gooders who want help people and who have been hoodwinked into believing that Democrat policies do that.

For someone who is pro capitalism you don't seem to understand the labor market for teachers.

Department of Education was created for unions, by union shills.

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For someone who is pro capitalism you don't seem to understand the labor market for teachers.

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There is nothing free market about education, and that is the problem.

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For someone who is pro capitalism you don't seem to understand the labor market for teachers.

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There is nothing free market about education, and that is the problem.

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I'd be interested to hear your explanation on how the teaching job market isn't free market. If you start with unions, anything you say after that has no bearing in Texas.

And the true underlying issue is with the family. The demise of the traditional family and all that goes with that is the fundamental problem. No discipline, no guidance, no positive reinforcement, destruction of morals and ethics, etc. There are many great teachers, but the family issues and the destruction of our culture have really done a thing on education of our children.

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And the true underlying issue is with the family. The demise of the traditional family and all that goes with that is the fundamental problem. No discipline, no guidance, no positive reinforcement, destruction of morals and ethics, etc. There are many great teachers, but the family issues and the destruction of our culture have really done a thing on education of our children.

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This times a gazillion.

I do not think most people realize how much the general behavior of students has largely collapsed in the last ten or so years. Really in the last 5-6 years. It was gradual but then very sudden.

Most teachers spend most of the day trying to manage behavior instead of educating students.

Whatever. Unless you were making 20 plus an hiour you were not paying your full college.

Most jobs back then were 10 to 12 an hour back then: paychecks where 300 to 400 bucks bi monthly:

I never said I was special for doing what I did. If I remember right tuition and rent was something like 12 to 14k
A year: the math didn't work.

The loans helped andpersonally I don't think I would have made it through.

Fact s you had help as the math doesn't work if you didn't

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Until the state gives up on certifications for public school teachers, school districts are forced to scramble to find, hire and retain certified teachers. And that's a dwindling pool. So, yes, teachers have quite a bit of power, and districts are being forced to look for ways to make those teachers happy (and higher pay usually isn't always part of the equation).

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The downstream effects will be terrible. That's why the community should be polled. Most parents work 5 days a week. Having unsupervised kids 1 day a week won't be good.

But as we all know, public education now exists to serve teachers and administrators.

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What do these parents do during the summer?

I realize they can use PTO during other breaks, but hard to do that for a full, 10-ish week summer period.

Sorry, but the argument is nonsense. It isn't the government's job to assist you in raising your kids, and deflecting this to teachers and administrators is, at best, a red herring and at worst totally dishonest. Plus, people work weekend hours when school is out. How do you suggest we accommodate them if we're supposedly going to accommodate others?

Earth Rider said:

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Whatever. Unless you were making 20 plus an hiour you were not paying your full college.

Most jobs back then were 10 to 12 an hour back then: paychecks where 300 to 400 bucks bi monthly:

I never said I was special for doing what I did. If I remember right tuition and rent was something like 12 to 14k
A year: the math didn't work.

The loans helped andpersonally I don't think I would have made it through.

Fact s you had help as the math doesn't work if you didn't

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Wow.. ok

First, I wasn't calling you special. You did what a lot of people did and still do. That would be the opposite of special.

Those loans are the main drivers of tuition. That's the math

And I absolutely ****ing did pay my way through school on my own. And so did most of my friends. We worked hard and lived poor. I went to two home football games after my fish year amd can count on one hand how many other sporting or even on campus events I went to. We didn't have sports passes or meal plans or parking passes or any of that. I lived on first street and walked. I bartended on NG and delivered pizzas. I bet I worked 50 hours a week 50:weeks a year back then. I took the minimum possible hours at A&M and the most I could take at Blinn. I was at Blinn the day they opened the Bryan campus.

When I said that was nothing special it wasn't. Lots of people including most of my coworkers did the same thing. Took me five years and a summer. Took my then girlfriend now wife 6.5. Graduated debt free.

Last, I get that it's hard to believe because it is impossible nowadays. And I don't recognize you as a poster, but we don't directly call each other liars without being able to back it up. There are lots of posters on this page that paid their own way including a couple I was in school with that were on the game thread tonight. You can do better than that.

There is really no reason for you to respond. Im moving on.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Until the state gives up on certifications for public school teachers, school districts are forced to scramble to find, hire and retain certified teachers. And that's a dwindling pool. So, yes, teachers have quite a bit of power, and districts are being forced to look for ways to make those teachers happy (and higher pay usually isn't always part of the equation).

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The downstream effects will be terrible. That's why the community should be polled. Most parents work 5 days a week. Having unsupervised kids 1 day a week won't be good.

But as we all know, public education now exists to serve teachers and administrators.

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What do these parents do during the summer?

I realize they can use PTO during other breaks, but hard to do that for a full, 10-ish week summer period.

Sorry, but the argument is nonsense. It isn't the government's job to assist you in raising your kids, and deflecting this to teachers and administrators is, at best, a red herring and at worst totally dishonest. Plus, people work weekend hours when school is out. How do you suggest we accommodate them if we're supposedly going to accommodate others?

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From what I can tell the four day week generally works for smaller school districts. I get the initial concerns but most of the feedback from those districts is positive on all fronts.

I think doing it in a bigger district would be more challenging

Bondag said:

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Why is the left in an uproar over the department of education?

I hear horror stories about disabled kids are going to be pushed aside if it is no longer required, but doesn't that fall on the states anyways?

The way I look I it I could give $100 to the DOE, they give $80 to the State. State gives $70 to school district.

Or I could give $100 to the district.

I know my corruption in there is lacking a lot of grift, but what else am I missing?

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The left is not in an uproar over the DoE. They are in an uproar that Trump was elected, period.

Anything and everything that Trump does is going to be met with hate, ridicule, and protests.

It is just TDS, spurred on by of course the MSM and the Democrats.

Trump could balance the budget, bring world peace, cure cancer, house the homeless, and stop climate change and he will still be hated, despised, and accused of destroying the Constitution.

The government's job?

We are forced to pay through the ass for the government to do this "job." To the point that we don't even own property, we only lease it.

I'm an educator and I can't wait u til they get rid of the DOE. It does absolutely nothing nothing for us. Next I want the NEA abolished as well.