usmcbrooks said:

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It was more for the Canyon's and Colorado's that were fitted with diesels. They stopped making that engine in 2022. GM discontinued the 3.0 Durmax in September of 24. Dodge discontinued their 3.0L V6 Eco Diesel in 2022.

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EskimoJoe said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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It was more for the Canyon's and Colorado's that were fitted with diesels. They stopped making that engine in 2022. GM discontinued the 3.0 Durmax in September of 24. Dodge discontinued their 3.0L V6 Eco Diesel in 2022.

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GM has not discontinued the 3.0 Duramax.

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BusterAg said:

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CAFE standards are legislatively encoded.

Great place for legislative change.

Write Ted Cruz or your congressperson.

Trump and Elon are focused on other things that can be enacted without the approval of congress.

Trump is not a king. Plenty of things to clean up through the executive branch only.

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usmcbrooks said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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It was more for the Canyon's and Colorado's that were fitted with diesels. They stopped making that engine in 2022. GM discontinued the 3.0 Durmax in September of 24. Dodge discontinued their 3.0L V6 Eco Diesel in 2022.

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GM has not discontinued the 3.0 Duramax.

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Unfortunately they have. Well, the current one. A new one is on the way.


https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-beloved-duramax-engine-has-just-gotten-killed-what-will-gm-use-in-its-place-238275.html#:~:text=One%20of%20America's%20most%20beloved,powered%20by%20the%20Duramax%20engine.

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Ag for Life said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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DrEvazanPhD said:

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I'd love to see a medium duty diesel. 4.5-5 liters.

And stop putting 4-bangers in big trucks. For the love of God, ford...

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Ford doesn't offer a 4 cylinder in the F150 and up. You're thinking on GM

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GM's 3.0 Liter Durmax is an inline 6.

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GM has a turbocharged 2.7L 4 cylinder as their base gas engine now in Silverado/Sierra 1500s

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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I could live with abolishing CAFE if the people who consume the most fuel (for non-work use) get first priority to be drafted in our next war against an OPEC country. It's only fair.

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Red Red Wine said:

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Don't miss the bigger picture here.

For YEARS, California has ramped up their environment regs on everything you buy (no more gas ovens), higher fuel standards, increased CAFE, EV requirements and ICE reductions, and guess what.

Even if the Feds lower CAFE standards, California will still have their own MPG standard HIGHER than the Feds and guess what manufacturers will do? Be reminded that CA has over 50MM residents.

They will, as they have been doing for years, make ONE VERSION of: vehicles, computers, ovens, refrigerators, etc. that complies with CALIFORNIA Regs. Imagine what does to the consumer especially in states not named, California? It raises the price and usually lowers the quality and guess who ends up getting SHAFTED.

THE REST OF AMERICA.

We are all paying more for our existence due to California setting their own environmental regs on items that we all purchase. We need to have a Federal law restricting states from imposing regs that increase costs on residents of OTHER STATES. I would not want to force manufacturers to produce two different versions of the same item unless there is a real cost savings for the rest of us. Typically there is not.

I know California has the air quality issue, but their solution is to force things into regs that make the other 49 states pay MORE for everyday items. What a bunch of BS.

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Red Red Wine said:

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Don't miss the bigger picture here.

For YEARS, California has ramped up their environment regs on everything you buy (no more gas ovens), higher fuel standards, increased CAFE, EV requirements and ICE reductions, and guess what.

Even if the Feds lower CAFE standards, California will still have their own MPG standard HIGHER than the Feds and guess what manufacturers will do? Be reminded that CA has over 50MM residents.

They will, as they have been doing for years, make ONE VERSION of: vehicles, computers, ovens, refrigerators, etc. that complies with CALIFORNIA Regs. Imagine what does to the consumer especially in states not named, California? It raises the price and usually lowers the quality and guess who ends up getting SHAFTED.

THE REST OF AMERICA.

We are all paying more for our existence due to California setting their own environmental regs on items that we all purchase. We need to have a Federal law restricting states from imposing regs that increase costs on residents of OTHER STATES. I would not want to force manufacturers to produce two different versions of the same item unless there is a real cost savings for the rest of us. Typically there is not.

I know California has the air quality issue, but their solution is to force things into regs that make the other 49 states pay MORE for everyday items. What a bunch of BS.

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aggie93 said:

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Red Red Wine said:

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Don't miss the bigger picture here.

For YEARS, California has ramped up their environment regs on everything you buy (no more gas ovens), higher fuel standards, increased CAFE, EV requirements and ICE reductions, and guess what.

Even if the Feds lower CAFE standards, California will still have their own MPG standard HIGHER than the Feds and guess what manufacturers will do? Be reminded that CA has over 50MM residents.

They will, as they have been doing for years, make ONE VERSION of: vehicles, computers, ovens, refrigerators, etc. that complies with CALIFORNIA Regs. Imagine what does to the consumer especially in states not named, California? It raises the price and usually lowers the quality and guess who ends up getting SHAFTED.

THE REST OF AMERICA.

We are all paying more for our existence due to California setting their own environmental regs on items that we all purchase. We need to have a Federal law restricting states from imposing regs that increase costs on residents of OTHER STATES. I would not want to force manufacturers to produce two different versions of the same item unless there is a real cost savings for the rest of us. Typically there is not.

I know California has the air quality issue, but their solution is to force things into regs that make the other 49 states pay MORE for everyday items. What a bunch of BS.

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Actually California has 38 million residents and dropping. It also is the biggest state for EV's and they are trying to phase out gas powered vehicles. Texas will likely surpass California in population in the next 20 years. They don't drive the boat like they used to and while it is certainly an important market they are extremely hostile to business and the juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore for a business to cater to what is soon to be only about 10% of the US population.

I think it is more likely California starts to realize that maybe they need to be more like the rest of the US than the reverse going forward, they are way past sanity. Gas costs almost double in the Bay Area compared to Texas. Which is more sustainable? Artificially higher prices or people wanting lower prices?

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YouBet said:

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Red Red Wine said:

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Don't miss the bigger picture here.

For YEARS, California has ramped up their environment regs on everything you buy (no more gas ovens), higher fuel standards, increased CAFE, EV requirements and ICE reductions, and guess what.

Even if the Feds lower CAFE standards, California will still have their own MPG standard HIGHER than the Feds and guess what manufacturers will do? Be reminded that CA has over 50MM residents.

They will, as they have been doing for years, make ONE VERSION of: vehicles, computers, ovens, refrigerators, etc. that complies with CALIFORNIA Regs. Imagine what does to the consumer especially in states not named, California? It raises the price and usually lowers the quality and guess who ends up getting SHAFTED.

THE REST OF AMERICA.

We are all paying more for our existence due to California setting their own environmental regs on items that we all purchase. We need to have a Federal law restricting states from imposing regs that increase costs on residents of OTHER STATES. I would not want to force manufacturers to produce two different versions of the same item unless there is a real cost savings for the rest of us. Typically there is not.

I know California has the air quality issue, but their solution is to force things into regs that make the other 49 states pay MORE for everyday items. What a bunch of BS.

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Yep. What starts in California changes the country. They are the largest state in the country by 10M people. Unless you can rout the Democrats in California that market is going to drive what the rest of the country does with products on many things.

Also, I didn't realize CAFE standards were ensconced by Congress so that's another hurdle. I thought they were just EO's.

In addition, someone else mentioned that Big Auto would be hard pressed to switch all of their production lines back to pre-Biden knowing full well that the next Dem admin will go hard in the paint back to climate bull*****

This will be a hard problem to tackle.

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YouBet said:

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Can you call someone in DC and tell them this? Thanks!

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AJ02 said:

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If phased out, does this mean we'll start seeing SUVs & crossovers that are distinguishable from one another again? Every single one looks the same. If I saw one involved in a crime and I had to say what brand it was, it could've been anything from an Audi to a Land Rover to a Kia and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

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AJ02 said:

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If phased out, does this mean we'll start seeing SUVs & crossovers that are distinguishable from one another again? Every single one looks the same. If I saw one involved in a crime and I had to say what brand it was, it could've been anything from an Audi to a Land Rover to a Kia and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

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aggie93 said:

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To me CAFE standards are one of the most egregious overreaches of the Federal Government. Some bureaucrats just dream up their desires for what they want cars to get in terms of gas mileage based on formulas disconnected from common sense so that they can pursue their Green New Deal dream. It has severely limited the types of cars that are made and the quality of engines but most of all costs. Companies are going to extreme lengths to try to get vehicles to stretch out performance on small engines with turbos and other crap that end up being far more expensive and also make the engines less reliable long term. A lot of the auto companies are ok with it because they get more repairs and people look at cars as more of a disposable item because it just gets too expensive to fix used cars.

It's also completely screwed up segments like the light duty truck market. Let car makers make cars people want and do so safely and cheaply. There should be far more options for inexpensive cars and CAFE standards are one of the main drivers why there aren't in combination with all of the other requirements put on new vehicles.

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kb2001 said:

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CAFE standards are set by legislation, the problem is that it grows annually on a formula, and it doesn't make sense anymore.

The compact truck doesn't exist anymore because CAFE standards can't be met. They have a to get bigger, to cast a bigger "shadow" to meet the mileage requirements.

A compact like the early 2000s Ranger or Chevy could not be made today, the "compact" trucks today are similarly sized to a 1/2 ton in the mid-90s (probably larger actually) in order to meet CAFE standards.

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pagerman @ work said:

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aggie93 said:

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To me CAFE standards are one of the most egregious overreaches of the Federal Government. Some bureaucrats just dream up their desires for what they want cars to get in terms of gas mileage based on formulas disconnected from common sense so that they can pursue their Green New Deal dream. It has severely limited the types of cars that are made and the quality of engines but most of all costs. Companies are going to extreme lengths to try to get vehicles to stretch out performance on small engines with turbos and other crap that end up being far more expensive and also make the engines less reliable long term. A lot of the auto companies are ok with it because they get more repairs and people look at cars as more of a disposable item because it just gets too expensive to fix used cars.

It's also completely screwed up segments like the light duty truck market. Let car makers make cars people want and do so safely and cheaply. There should be far more options for inexpensive cars and CAFE standards are one of the main drivers why there aren't in combination with all of the other requirements put on new vehicles.

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And then Congress should follow that up with something that severely limits if not eliminates the executive's ability to change CAFE standards going forward. completely repealing the CAFE standards.

Then if Congress wants them changed, pass a law.

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flakrat said:

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They absolutely destroyed small diesel engines in the US market. I just recently sold my 2005 VW Jetta TDI MK4 with 370K miles (bought new). It was still getting 47MPG.

With all garbage they piled on, the these small TDI engines are getting low 30s MPG. When VW had the "illegal" tunes active, the same TDIs were getting 50MPG or more.

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USDOT Secretary Sean Duffy:

“The Biden-era standards are costing billions of dollars in taxes and carbon credits, which drive up the cost of vehicles. We're going to rectify that and make sure we're bringing down the cost of a car." pic.twitter.com/D2rw3PK3gw

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 14, 2025

Red Red Wine said:

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Don't miss the bigger picture here.

For YEARS, California has ramped up their environment regs on everything you buy (no more gas ovens), higher fuel standards, increased CAFE, EV requirements and ICE reductions, and guess what.

Even if the Feds lower CAFE standards, California will still have their own MPG standard HIGHER than the Feds and guess what manufacturers will do? Be reminded that CA has over 50MM residents.

They will, as they have been doing for years, make ONE VERSION of: vehicles, computers, ovens, refrigerators, etc. that complies with CALIFORNIA Regs. Imagine what does to the consumer especially in states not named, California? It raises the price and usually lowers the quality and guess who ends up getting SHAFTED.

THE REST OF AMERICA.

We are all paying more for our existence due to California setting their own environmental regs on items that we all purchase. We need to have a Federal law restricting states from imposing regs that increase costs on residents of OTHER STATES. I would not want to force manufacturers to produce two different versions of the same item unless there is a real cost savings for the rest of us. Typically there is not.

I know California has the air quality issue, but their solution is to force things into regs that make the other 49 states pay MORE for everyday items. What a bunch of BS.

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ktownag08 said:

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Maybe they can also un-**** gas cans too while they're at it!

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Red Red Wine said:

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Well, CA wants higher gas prices. It is part of their driver to make people own EVs. It is by design for those socialist psychos.

When gas goes over $10/gallon how many Californians won't be switching to an EV.

Which is hilarious, because the massive elephant in the room is that CA has not the capacity to produce enough electricity for that many EVs charging off their grids nor are there grids modernized and capable of transmission of that much electrical power across the state.

State is run by complete MORONS.

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