The employer can't question the government confirmation of legal worker status or they'll get their asses sued off by activist lawyers backed by big progressive NGO for EEOC violations. The employers are legally required to disregard race, ethnicity, and national origin. If the Feds are incompetent, the employer has to go with the result. The problem is the verification process AND who we allow to be legal workers regarding asylum claims.

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The employer can't question the government confirmation of legal worker status or they'll get their asses sued off by activist lawyers backed by big progressive NGO for EEOC violations. The employers are legally required to disregard race, ethnicity, and national origin. If the Feds are incompetent, the employer has to go with the result. The problem is the verification process AND who we allow to be legal workers regarding asylum claims.

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Winner. Who cares if "Nick Papagiorgio" is working 8 jobs in 6 states?

Where did I say employers should question the government verification? That's a non sequitur.

Again, there is ZERO reason the government should not be going after employers that knowingly or constructively hire illegal immigrants.


And this notion like dummy greene says that we should let illegal construction worker stay here is asinine!

Because we are sold to corporations and we think CEOs are gods.

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If the Feds are incompetent, the employer has to go with the result. The problem is the verification process AND who we allow to be legal workers regarding asylum claims.

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And the fact that many in our government want illegals here and protect them.

I have had several conversations with different people in different fields who have worked with the same illegal using different aliases. They get "real" government credentials. The government created the issue. Only the government can resolve the issue.

Does anyone here know what the Bracero Progam is? Ijs. Not that it would really make a difference without a step by step guide to how we got where we are.

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If the Feds are incompetent, the employer has to go with the result. The problem is the verification process AND who we allow to be legal workers regarding asylum claims.

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And the fact that many in our government want illegals here and protect them.

I have had several conversations with different people in different fields who have worked with the same illegal using different aliases. They get "real" government credentials. The government created the issue. Only the government can resolve the issue.

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I agree.

But we have many here who shout "Less Government!".

The OP question is right on.

People come here primarily for economic opportunity.
Remove the economic opportunity by making the people virtually un-employable, and the problem mostly solves itself.

Longer term, we could try to encourage/invest in the countries south of us to provide much of the manufacturing we rely on China for today, just a matter of national security; but also with the benefit that the more opportunity available in those countries, the more stable they become, the less incentive people have to come to the US.

The right hasn't lately wanted to solve the issue because then they want to campaign on it.
The left hasn't lately wanted to solve the issue because the far-left are sympathetic to the immigrants, particularly asylum seekers (whether legit or not is another story).
Neither side has wanted to solve the issue because it is generally good for business - cheap labor for undesirable jobs, etc.
Neither side will work with one another either, which makes solving any problem impossible.

If we actually desired a coherent immigration policy we would fix the verification system, and then determine some form of work visa program for the jobs we actually can't fill domestically, and we'd basically know/control exactly who was coming in. People would not have incentive to come illegally because a) they could not find work and b) there would be a legal path where they could get work.

Yea but who's gonna mow Mar-a-Lago?

Proof they are illegals?

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Proof they are illegals?

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Don't have it but Florida is full of them. Haitians, Cubans, Mexicans, and God knows what else.

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Being duped by illegals is one thing.

Turning a blind eye or knowingly hiring illegals is another, agree?

There is ZERO excuse not to be prosecuting the latter. "No one is above the law" as they say.

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I support the prosecution of companies knowing subverting the law. Meat packers and such seem to be the most common offenders.

To your point, turning a blind eye or willfully conspiring is not okay.

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Being duped by illegals is one thing.

Turning a blind eye or knowingly hiring illegals is another, agree?

There is ZERO excuse not to be prosecuting the latter. "No one is above the law" as they say.

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I support the prosecution of companies knowing subverting the law. Meat packers and such seem to be the most common offenders.

To your point, turning a blind eye or willfully conspiring is not okay.

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A good portion of any roofing company or landscaping company in the Southwestern US is either not doing any kind of I-9 check or is willingly accepting BS docs. If ICE just did spot checks on jobs it would be mayhem. How many houses would end up with a demo'd roof with no one left to put up the replacement?

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Yea but who's gonna mow Mar-a-Lago?

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Indian H1Bs.

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Yea but who's gonna mow Mar-a-Lago?

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Indian H1Bs.

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It would stink so bad nobody would visit

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The government made it a requirement to check with the government to verify employment status.

The government also made it a requirement for the employer to go with whatever the applicant supplied and the government accepted.


Employers who questioned the status of an applicant were threatened or even prosecuted by the government for EEOC violations, so even if they were suspect about the employee, if they passed checks, they HAD to treat them like any other eligible hire.

This all comes down to the government being willfully incompetent and intentionally trying to do a poor effort at verification, coupled with the fact that it gave virtually ALL asylum claimants "temporary" legal worker status during the Biden admin, so they passed any employment check.

There are some employers who actively engage in identity fraud and unlawful employment or making cash payments to unlawful workers and they should be prosecuted, but most of that went away when the Biden admin and leftist courts made it legal to employ millions of false "asylum" seekers while they waited here for years for court hearings.

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Exactly. Its mostly not on the employers but the information they have to work with


Ive been saying for decades nobody is really serious about cracking down. A national ID card using 21st century technology is a cheap solution used by 1st world countries all around the world.

Fake Social Security cards go for about 20 bucks on the street. Its intentional imo

lol. letting in millions of illegals, then holding citizens responsible for identifying them.

Because many who came across during 21-24 were funded by adept and sophisticated cartel schemes to defeat e-Verify with fake documents (and very good fakes).

You the answer why: because the business interests that run this country are Trump's constituency. Trump always punches down.

The Left got what they wanted: letting millions of future Dem voters in, and remaining willfully blind until, by and large, it has become impractical to deport them all.

any other analysis is a lie.

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Im Gipper said:

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Being duped by illegals is one thing.

Turning a blind eye or knowingly hiring illegals is another, agree?

There is ZERO excuse not to be prosecuting the latter. "No one is above the law" as they say.

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I support the prosecution of companies knowing subverting the law. Meat packers and such seem to be the most common offenders.

To your point, turning a blind eye or willfully conspiring is not okay.

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I work in the meat industry and this is demonstrably wrong. They just end up getting taken advantage of more so than a lot of industries. They literally have to employ thousands of employees to make their businesses work, so due to the typical worker who applies for jobs there, they routinely get taken advantage of more so than most industries. They are not trying to hire illegal workers, at least the vast majority of them. There are bad actors, but my industry, as a whole, doesn't support them.

I don't work in meat packing but do understand the struggles of that industry based on reading articles over the years.

There do seem to be offenders across all industries, even in residential construction that I am in which is also an off target, but was not my intention to single it out whilst claiming innocence for others.

Meat packing indeed faces the same challenges as others with high turnover and low wage.

Has to be some other way to allow people to come here and work. There are a lot of jobs being done by illegals now and no way there's enough US citizens to fill those jobs if they all got kicked out.

Pretty sure the ladies that clean my house every other week and the guys that just finished my bathroom remodel were mostly, if not all, illegals.

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Has to be some other way to allow people to come here and work. There are a lot of jobs being done by illegals now and no way there's enough US citizens to fill those jobs if they all got kicked out.

Pretty sure the ladies that clean my house every other week and the guys that just finished my bathroom remodel were mostly, if not all, illegals.

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How did you verify their immigration status?

Folks would be surprised how many "illegals" are "legal".

But we have existing laws and programs for migrant workers.

Just have to have a POTUS who enforces the rules, a bureaucracy to manage the rules, and a court system that doesn't invalidate the rules.