Maybe we are and I just haven't heard about it, but it seems like we have a big problem of companies taking advantage of illegal labor. We wouldn't have so many people coming here for work if they could t find work.

So why aren't we hearing more about this? I fully expect to hear that if a company were raided, we wouldn't hear anything about the company itself getting in trouble.

Are we afraid of punishing Americans for illegal immigration?

Start by cracking down on the ones not working and the leeches on assistance programs

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I'd rather crack down on the ones not working and the leeches on assistance programs

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Im sure they exist, but I also suspect they're the minority. Employers would be fish in a barrel and the source of the problem. Everything else just seems like a bandaid on a hatchet wound.

Because their taxes are supposed to pay for border and immigration enforcement.

We just came out of 4 years of an administration that essentially encouraged hiring of illegals and made most legitimate status inquiries damn near a crime... but you wanna hang American business out to dry for the sins of a government that can't do their job?

Old May Banker said:

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We just came out of 4 years of an administration that essentially encouraged hiring of illegals and made most legitimate status inquiries damn near a crime... but you wanna hang American business out to dry for the sins of a government that can't do their job?

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YES! If someone commits a crime, it's not the government's fault they're criminals. It's bad on the previous government for not doing something about it, but the second best time to start is now.

The way I understand it, companies are required to ask employees to show a green card.

But they are not required to verify if it is a legit green card or not. A friend used to have an employee named Roberto who was from the Philippines. That's what his green card said anyway. But once I got to know him I found out his name was actually Juan and he was from Chihuahua.

SunrayAg said:

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The way I understand it, companies are required to ask employees to show a green card.

But they are not required to verify if it is a legit green card or not. A friend used to have an employee named Roberto who was from the Philippines. That's what his green card said anyway. But once I got to know him I found out his name was actually Juan and he was from Chihuahua.

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Juan from Chihuahua would not look or act like a Roberto from the Philippines. Some due diligence would be in order.

because those business owners are donors

I'm all for it if our government stops flooding the country with them. I'm all for it if there's a way to verify their documents. Employers cannot fix problems the government is intentionally causing and exploiting. The feds have the governmental responsibility to handle immigration and secure our borders. As we've seen, democrats won't even allow states to help, when they want us to be invaded.

Old McDonald said:

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because those business owners are donors

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DING DING DING

We have a winner, folks.

Plus I suspect it may very well put some companies out of business and officials are afraid of the optics.

The government made it a requirement to check with the government to verify employment status.

The government also made it a requirement for the employer to go with whatever the applicant supplied and the government accepted.


Employers who questioned the status of an applicant were threatened or even prosecuted by the government for EEOC violations, so even if they were suspect about the employee, if they passed checks, they HAD to treat them like any other eligible hire.

This all comes down to the government being willfully incompetent and intentionally trying to do a poor effort at verification, coupled with the fact that it gave virtually ALL asylum claimants "temporary" legal worker status during the Biden admin, so they passed any employment check.

There are some employers who actively engage in identity fraud and unlawful employment or making cash payments to unlawful workers and they should be prosecuted, but most of that went away when the Biden admin and leftist courts made it legal to employ millions of false "asylum" seekers while they waited here for years for court hearings.

Old May Banker said:

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We just came out of 4 years of an administration that essentially encouraged hiring of illegals and made most legitimate status inquiries damn near a crime... but you wanna hang American business out to dry for the sins of a government that can't do their job?

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If it bugs you that much we can start with businesses that have lobbied government, if they're in bed with the succubus I have no sympathy

A lot of illegal stuff was promoted the last 4 years, if we follow your logic we can't crack down on anything

MouthBQ98 said:

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The government made it a requirement to check with the government to verify employment status.

The government also made it a requirement for the employer to go with whatever the applicant supplied and the government accepted.


Employers who questioned the status of an applicant were threatened or even prosecuted by the government for EEOC violations, so even if they were suspect about the employee, if they passed checks, they HAD to treat them like any other eligible hire.

This all comes down to the government being willfully incompetent and intentionally trying to do a poor effort at verification, coupled with the fact that it gave virtually ALL asylum claimants "temporary" legal worker status during the Biden admin, so they passed any employment check.

There are some employers who actively engage in identity fraud and unlawful employment or making cash payments to unlawful workers and they should be prosecuted, but most of that went away when the Biden admin and leftist courts made it legal to employ millions of false "asylum" seekers while they waited here for years for court hearings.

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This poster knows what they are talking about. Employers hands are tied even when they strongly suspect or even know that the employee is using counterfeit documents. If the government accepts it, you can't question it.

I'd guess because the government has put the burden on employers to vet their hires. Employers take the documentation they've been given by employees and feed it to the government for verification. If it comes back clean the employees are hired and the appropriate taxes are withheld. If there is a problem with these employees, it lies with the government.

For employers who go around this system, it would take some actual investigative work to locate them.

Either way, we're talking about illegals who actually contribute to society and their families. I'd much rather then focus on the gangbangers and clear all of them out before cracking down on cooks, landscapers, and construction workers.

Because, they will go out of business if they are the only ones following the law.

The reality is that the larger companies don't directly hire illegals. They hire contractors, who hire illegals, who have fraudulent paperwork.

Have you ever put a pair of wire cutters in your truck in the state of Texas, or know someone who has? Do you think that this person should go to jail?

The law is really only in effect if it is enforced. If the law is blatantly ignored by those that are tasked to enforce it, no one is going to follow it.

I expect that enforcement of illegal labor may start to ramp up, but it needs to be done in an orderly way. If there was a blanket, wide scale, zero tolerance, FBI and ICE raids of businesses, it would be pretty catastrophic. For example, every single residential home builder would be bankrupt tomorrow.

This behavior needs to change, but there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

Trump has decided that the first course of business is to deport all illegal aliens that are criminals. That doesn't mean that non-criminal illegal aliens are off the table, if DHS or ICE stumbles on such people while trying to deport criminals, they will be deported. But, the focus is currently on criminals, which is where it should be.

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I expect that enforcement of illegal labor may start to ramp up, but it needs to be done in an orderly way. If there was a blanket, wide scale, zero tolerance, FBI and ICE raids of businesses, it would be pretty catastrophic. For example, every single residential home builder would be bankrupt tomorrow.

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This is my point, though. If everyone and their mom knows these companies are employing illegals in mass quantities, surely the companies themselves also know.

Maybe a raid does more harm than good, but you could at least put these companies on notice and start a clock.

And if the system is not strong enough to prevent the issuing of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fraudulent work permits, that needs to be fixed too.

MouthBQ98 said:

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The government made it a requirement to check with the government to verify employment status.

The government also made it a requirement for the employer to go with whatever the applicant supplied and the government accepted.


Employers who questioned the status of an applicant were threatened or even prosecuted by the government for EEOC violations, so even if they were suspect about the employee, if they passed checks, they HAD to treat them like any other eligible hire.

This all comes down to the government being willfully incompetent and intentionally trying to do a poor effort at verification, coupled with the fact that it gave virtually ALL asylum claimants "temporary" legal worker status during the Biden admin, so they passed any employment check.

There are some employers who actively engage in identity fraud and unlawful employment or making cash payments to unlawful workers and they should be prosecuted, but most of that went away when the Biden admin and leftist courts made it legal to employ millions of false "asylum" seekers while they waited here for years for court hearings.

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This.

As a hiring manager, I ran the I9 and it came back good or bad. Regardless of me KNOWING that person wasn't "from around here". I couldn't make a call and risk it.

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Trump has decided that the first course of business is to deport all illegal aliens that are criminals. That doesn't mean that non-criminal illegal aliens are off the table, if DHS or ICE stumbles on such people while trying to deport criminals, they will be deported. But, the focus is currently on criminals, which is where it should be.

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Fraud is a crime, too.

Jeeper79 said:

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BusterAg said:

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I expect that enforcement of illegal labor may start to ramp up, but it needs to be done in an orderly way. If there was a blanket, wide scale, zero tolerance, FBI and ICE raids of businesses, it would be pretty catastrophic. For example, every single residential home builder would be bankrupt tomorrow.

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This is my point, though. If everyone and their mom knows these companies are employing illegals in mass quantities, surely the companies themselves also know.

Maybe a raid does more harm than good, but you could at least put these companies on notice and start a clock.

And if the system is not strong enough to prevent the issuing of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fraudulent work permits, that needs to be fixed too.

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Um. That is what Trump is doing. You haven't noticed?

Because you have cartels worth billions with their tenticles in the mix and folks over here indebted to them/on their payroll. When you have that, it isn't that hard to counterfeit documents that are really good and have a new type of indentured servant class. Need to go after the head of the serpent.

1. As already said, many businesses provide donations.
2. Most consumers are totally fine with keeping prices down.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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The government made it a requirement to check with the government to verify employment status.

The government also made it a requirement for the employer to go with whatever the applicant supplied and the government accepted.


Employers who questioned the status of an applicant were threatened or even prosecuted by the government for EEOC violations, so even if they were suspect about the employee, if they passed checks, they HAD to treat them like any other eligible hire.

This all comes down to the government being willfully incompetent and intentionally trying to do a poor effort at verification, coupled with the fact that it gave virtually ALL asylum claimants "temporary" legal worker status during the Biden admin, so they passed any employment check.

There are some employers who actively engage in identity fraud and unlawful employment or making cash payments to unlawful workers and they should be prosecuted, but most of that went away when the Biden admin and leftist courts made it legal to employ millions of false "asylum" seekers while they waited here for years for court hearings.

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This.

As a hiring manager, I ran the I9 and it came back good or bad. Regardless of me KNOWING that person wasn't "from around here". I couldn't make a call and risk it.

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These are all very good points. When I was in the restaurant business, my job was to send in the I-9 information for verification and to effectively run my restaurant. My job was not to assess the validity of their documentation. Very rarely did they not get verified.

Name any issue the government is serious about resolving. The game is won by increasing the seriousness of the problem, not doing away with it.

Our economy does not react well to massive and sudden shocks to the system. For years immigration enforcement has been suspended and mass importation of non citizens facilitated by the feds. Thankfully we are in full reversal mode.

I think the focus on dangerous criminal illegals and those with deportation orders is a great starting point. That's no small task.

Progress from there and make clear the employment markets need to prepare now for meaningful changes to enforcement for all people in the country illegally. And prepare with a sense of urgency.

We aren't three weeks into this administration and despite their lightning quickness and effectiveness you are expecting them to flip a switch and have everything fixed instantaneously? They are going for the biggest bang for the buck/lowest hanging fruit. I'm fairly certain that they have already discussed penalizing unlawful employers. That being said, there are only so many CBP agents and I am pretty sure they have their hands full securing the border, rounding up violent criminals and their facilitators. Next should be all the ones draining our taxes and being unproductive. Then, once the border is more secure, the violent gangs and such are kicked out not to mention the drains to our support systems then absolutely they should go after the productive ones and those who employ them. Again, what exactly do you think someone that you didn't even vote for is going to be able to reasonably get done in 3 weeks? He has far surpassed the expectations of even his most ardent supporters but you're like, "why hasn't he done everything immediately?". OP reminds me of the meme of the elephant and the donkey high jumping.

Old May Banker said:

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We just came out of 4 years of an administration that essentially encouraged hiring of illegals and made most legitimate status inquiries damn near a crime... but you wanna hang American business out to dry for the sins of a government that can't do their job?

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I just want accountability for all that are part of the problem. That's not too much t ask, is it.

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Because their taxes are supposed to pay for border and immigration enforcement.

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Here is the story I seldom hear, if at all.

Say an employer hires a couple of guys whose paperwork actually looks legit. This employer employs these people for a few months, pays FICA and FISA taxes as any employer would. Then one days La Migra shows up and hauls them away because it turns out their paperwork was forged. Does the employer get his taxes back that he paid in good faith on employees he believed to be legit?

SunrayAg said:

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The way I understand it, companies are required to ask employees to show a green card.

But they are not required to verify if it is a legit green card or not. A friend used to have an employee named Roberto who was from the Philippines. That's what his green card said anyway. But once I got to know him I found out his name was actually Juan and he was from Chihuahua.

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I had two guys apply once and, as I do with all applicants, I Googled them. Two people from the area with their exact names had died within the last 6 months. One in a car wreck, the other of a heart attack. I did not hire the two men.

Edit: I would add that their supposed ages were a little questionable

Jeeper79 said:

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Maybe we are and I just haven't heard about it, but it seems like we have a big problem of companies taking advantage of illegal labor. We wouldn't have so many people coming here for work if they could t find work.

So why aren't we hearing more about this? I fully expect to hear that if a company were raided, we wouldn't hear anything about the company itself getting in trouble.

Are we afraid of punishing Americans for illegal immigration?

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Which companies? List them. Got some links?

Jeeper79 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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The way I understand it, companies are required to ask employees to show a green card.

But they are not required to verify if it is a legit green card or not. A friend used to have an employee named Roberto who was from the Philippines. That's what his green card said anyway. But once I got to know him I found out his name was actually Juan and he was from Chihuahua.

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Juan from Chihuahua would not look or act like a Roberto from the Philippines. Some due diligence would be in order.

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That "due diligence" can get you in hot water with Equal Opportunity Commission if you turn out to be wrong. It's best to just follow the law and check their documents they provide. We can't and shouldn't expect our businesses to play the role of immigration inspector.

Congress for years has failed to pass e-verify. There's no good system for employers to determine who's illegal and who's not. Get on the horn to your Congress critters and demand change. Just voting for the right flavor and expecting them to do the right thing don't cut the mustard.

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Old May Banker said:

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We just came out of 4 years of an administration that essentially encouraged hiring of illegals and made most legitimate status inquiries damn near a crime... but you wanna hang American business out to dry for the sins of a government that can't do their job?

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I just want accountability for all that are part of the problem. That's not too much t ask, is it.

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Not if you'll give them a little more time. ****.

BrazosDog02 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Maybe we are and I just haven't heard about it, but it seems like we have a big problem of companies taking advantage of illegal labor. We wouldn't have so many people coming here for work if they could t find work.

So why aren't we hearing more about this? I fully expect to hear that if a company were raided, we wouldn't hear anything about the company itself getting in trouble.

Are we afraid of punishing Americans for illegal immigration?

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Which companies? List them. Got some links?

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Heck if I know but that's not my job. They're not all coming here to live on welfare. Millions of people have to be working somewhere. Obvious industries, though, are home building, landscaping, construction, farming, poultry, food service.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Old May Banker said:

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We just came out of 4 years of an administration that essentially encouraged hiring of illegals and made most legitimate status inquiries damn near a crime... but you wanna hang American business out to dry for the sins of a government that can't do their job?

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I just want accountability for all that are part of the problem. That's not too much t ask, is it.

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Not if you'll give them a little more time. ****.

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Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, I'm of the same mindset as Trump: Time's up.