Slyfox07 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.

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I'd prefer it if it didn't have A&M attached to it

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Assuming that the term Aggieland is trademarked, then it would be nice to see a cease and desist order to force a name change.

I'm glad to see it's 18+, but they shouldn't be allowed to imply the event is endorsed by TAMU.

Slyfox07 said:

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Shut this **** down

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Live and let live. They aren't showing it to kids and they're paying for it.

You don't have to give a **** about everything that happens.

I can't imagine what is remotely entertaining about a bunch of fat dudes in dresses lip syncing music

No-talent-clowns is an understatement

olarmy96 said:

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Slyfox07 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.

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I'd prefer it if it didn't have A&M attached to it

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Assuming that the term Aggieland is trademarked, then it would be nice to see a cease and desist order to force a name change.

I'm glad to see it's 18+, but they shouldn't be allowed to imply the event is endorsed by TAMU.

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It doesn't look like they are using Aggieland so that's not an issue

They tried to start this in 70s

This is not new

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It doesn't look like they are using Aggieland so that's not an issue

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Yeah, sure.

Good luck selling a Biphone mobile or maybe a Bamsung Galaxie.

Slight variations in spelling can certainly infringe on a trademark.

Thank you for inspiring me to contact TAMU legal on Monday.

olarmy96 said:

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Thank you for inspiring me to contact TAMU legal on Monday.

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lmao can you livestream this or something

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olarmy96 said:

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Thank you for inspiring me to contact TAMU legal on Monday.

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lmao can you livestream this or something

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you really hate Trump that much you hoped he died how big of a loser are you in real life?

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one safe place said:

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There should be some tables set up to hand out pamphlets and information on how to deal with mental illness to give to these sick attention *****s.

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Mid 90's my buddy and I walked by a table outside the MSC where a group was promoting Christian based outreach services for gays (like pray away the gay). You just filled out the card with your name and address and they would send packages out for you to review and get started.

Boy were our two roommates surprised when those showed up. As well as a couple other friends.

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lol, that's great.

It reminded me of a local guy who bought (somewhere) some envelopes with the preprinted return address like "Syphilis Testing Center" or "Aids Lab Results" and in red, it was printed with "TEST RESULTS ENCLOSED." He would address the envelope to one if his friends and drop it in the mail.

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At my high school in the 60's, the football players would dress up as football female cheerleaders with wigs,makeup for the pep rally.

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Yeah, as a farce on drag, with huge water-balloon titties to demean (in fun) the football players as "women", and do the cheerleaders routines until their titties burst.

But that was in the mid 80's. I'm sure in the '70s you guys took it seriously.

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Slyfox07 said:

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I guess I should be glad they're making it 18+

Kinda weird how these degenerates never go read at old folks homes

Just sayin

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There are drag shows at retirement homes and senior centers all the time.

What do you think is actually going on at a drag show?

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This is true. A lady from my church lives in a retirement home and they have had Drag Queen Bingo a few time.She said it was fun and the drag queens were nice folks. We drive her to church sometimes and one of the Sundays was the morning after the drag queen bingo. I honestly think she and the other old folks at her retirement community are just glad to have some visitors, whether they are drag queens or someone else.

I have never been to a drag show personally. But, I don't really get worked up over the drag show issue as long as the shows are for adults 18+. For some reason I've always thought of drags queens in the same way I thought of that organization at A&M back in the 90s called Cepheid Variable....Seems kind of weird and I don't understand it, but who cares as long as they aren't harming people or breaking laws..

1876er said:

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Slyfox07 said:

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nai06 said:

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Slyfox07 said:

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I guess I should be glad they're making it 18+

Kinda weird how these degenerates never go read at old folks homes

Just sayin

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There are drag shows at retirement homes and senior centers all the time.

What do you think is actually going on at a drag show?

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Grooming, mostly

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What exactly do you think they are grooming?

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(Asks question 5 minutes after pulling head from... the sand.)

nai06 said:

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olarmy96 said:

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Slyfox07 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.

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I'd prefer it if it didn't have A&M attached to it

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Assuming that the term Aggieland is trademarked, then it would be nice to see a cease and desist order to force a name change.

I'm glad to see it's 18+, but they shouldn't be allowed to imply the event is endorsed by TAMU.

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It doesn't look like they are using Aggieland so that's not an issue

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The test for whether or not this is trademark infringement is whether or not an "average" person would associate Draggieland with Texas A&M's trademark. There are several defenses, one being satire, which would be the defense that I would argue in this case.

A&M absolutely has a case of trademark infringement, but it's not a slam dunk. You could issue a nasty cease and desist letter. You could probably have the kids related to that activity expelled if they refuse to change the name. Not for hosting the event. Prohibiting such an event is anti-free speech, and I wouldn't support it. Asking the show runners to change the name is a pretty legitimate request.

But, it would be a legal mess, and the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I would rather the University focus on other things. Like firing a lot of useless administrators that bloat tuition prices.

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TexasAggie73 said:

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At my high school in the 60's, the football players would dress up as football female cheerleaders with wigs,makeup for the pep rally.

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Yeah, as a farce on drag, with huge water-balloon titties to demean (in fun) the football players as "women", and do the cheerleaders routines until their titties burst.

But that was in the mid 80's. I'm sure in the '70s you guys took it seriously.

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Yeah, if you make it fun and silly, you are placing the activity squarely outside of the realm of social acceptability.

No one wears a toga to Calculus class, but, toga parties are kind of fun.

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Slyfox07 said:

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I guess I should be glad they're making it 18+

Kinda weird how these degenerates never go read at old folks homes

Just sayin

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There are drag shows at retirement homes and senior centers all the time.

What do you think is actually going on at a drag show?

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Drag is woman face. They're making fun of women. Period. A feminist like you should be protesting this for the misogyny it is. But you celebrate it because when push comes to shove, women rank below LGBT's on the liberal totem pole. I'm guessing you're offended by minstrel shows. What's the difference?

And please stop pretending that drag isn't sexual. No one believes that and it makes you look silly.

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nai06 said:

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Slyfox07 said:

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I guess I should be glad they're making it 18+

Kinda weird how these degenerates never go read at old folks homes

Just sayin

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There are drag shows at retirement homes and senior centers all the time.

What do you think is actually going on at a drag show?

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This is true. A lady from my church lives in a retirement home and they have had Drag Queen Bingo a few time.She said it was fun and the drag queens were nice folks. We drive her to church sometimes and one of the Sundays was the morning after the drag queen bingo. I honestly think she and the other old folks at her retirement community are just glad to have some visitors, whether they are drag queens or someone else.

I have never been to a drag show personally. But, I don't really get worked up over the drag show issue as long as the shows are for adults 18+. For some reason I've always thought of drags queens in the same way I thought of that organization at A&M back in the 90s called Cepheid Variable....Seems kind of weird and I don't understand it, but who cares as long as they aren't harming people or breaking laws..

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I've known my fair of straight women who have gone to drag shows with their gay friends, and they all said the same: that drag shows were just fun.

As long as they're not harming anyone, and it's for adults, who cares.

Live and let live.

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nai06 said:

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olarmy96 said:

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Slyfox07 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.

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I'd prefer it if it didn't have A&M attached to it

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Assuming that the term Aggieland is trademarked, then it would be nice to see a cease and desist order to force a name change.

I'm glad to see it's 18+, but they shouldn't be allowed to imply the event is endorsed by TAMU.

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It doesn't look like they are using Aggieland so that's not an issue

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The test for whether or not this is trademark infringement is whether or not an "average" person would associate Draggieland with Texas A&M's trademark. There are several defenses, one being satire, which would be the defense that I would argue in this case.

A&M absolutely has a case of trademark infringement, but it's not a slam dunk. You could issue a nasty cease and desist letter. You could probably have the kids related to that activity expelled if they refuse to change the name. Not for hosting the event. Prohibiting such an event is anti-free speech, and I wouldn't support it. Asking the show runners to change the name is a pretty legitimate request.

But, it would be a legal mess, and the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I would rather the University focus on other things. Like firing a lot of useless administrators that bloat tuition prices.

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As I mentioned earlier, it's the the 6th year and it's put on my an officially recognized student org. There isn't an issue with the name Draggieland.

redcrayon said:

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nai06 said:

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Slyfox07 said:

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I guess I should be glad they're making it 18+

Kinda weird how these degenerates never go read at old folks homes

Just sayin

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There are drag shows at retirement homes and senior centers all the time.

What do you think is actually going on at a drag show?

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Drag is woman face. They're making fun of women. Period. A feminist like you should be protesting this for the misogyny it is. But you celebrate it because when push comes to shove, women rank below LGBT's on the liberal totem pole. I'm guessing you're offended by minstrel shows. What's the difference?

And please stop pretending that drag isn't sexual. No one believes that and it makes you look silly.

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Drag as we know it in it's current form has a very long and separate history from minstrel shows. It was a way for LGBTQ people to express themselves and find community with others. It was never a case of "punching down", demeaning, or making fun of someone with less power or status. Early in the history of drag being gay was criminalized in the US either by statute or by social enforcement. It could very easily get you killed (to a certain extent it still can today). In addition to being expressive outlets, drag shows were also safe places to be yourself. A gay man was definitely lower in social status than a straight woman to argue otherwise is ridiculous.

There are all kinds of drag shows and all kinds of drag queens and drag kings. Sure some are more sexual or vulgar than others. I've been to some risque drag shows and some that open and appropriate for all ages. As mentioned before sometimes there's even drag bingo.

Are all stand up comedy shows offensive? Do they all use vulgar language? Certainly not although some comics make it a feature of their show. Drag is the same. There are varying degrees for a varied of audiences.

Burlesque shows are inherently sexual in nature. That's kind of the point. To toe the line of what is legally/socially acceptable in public in terms of sexual explicit behavior. Drag is different. Most people aren't going to drag shows to be sexually aroused. They are likely going to laugh, sing, dance, have drinks with friends and just hang out.

But they get tipped like strippers! Let's talk about that too. Unless they are a verified name or star (think Ru Paul) drag queens don't get paid to perform by the venue, they rely on tips. They have a ser to perform and will move around the space accepting tips from patrons usually by just handing it to them. In some cases you can tuck it into their top or dress if you and the performer are comfortable with that, but its all about respecting boundaries. That aside, a single person is not the audience. The drag performer needs to work the room and complete their set/number. You aren't getting a private show and no one is getting naked. Many drag performers now have an assistant walk around the room for them to collect tips. This is because heir routine is quite complicated or there are just too many to collect.
That assistant can be another drag queen/member of their drag families. Found families are nothing new to the LGBTQ community and that has extended to drag.

Your continued insistence that drag is woman face or the same as a minstrel show is both silly and inaccurate. Hell the first self proclaimed drag queen was a former enslaved Black man named William Dorsey Swann. He was hosting drag balls as early as the 1880s.

Drag has always been about empowering people to express themselves and provide community. It's punching up, not punching down. Just because you are very unaware of what drag is now or where it came from, doesn't mean your opinion of it is correct.

I didn't say there was an issue. I said that TAMU could legally harass the show runners if they wanted to.

They don't want to. I agree with them, due to freedom of speech considerations.

It's a catch 22. Yeah they have the liberty to do it but the consequences is that it becomes normalized and over time becomes more "ok" for the children. "Oh gay marriage won't affect you" and yet here we are with lgtb………

If you want to support these shows "behind" closed doors and say it won't affect me well then fine. I'll use my 1st rights and say these deals are not ok and live in the comfort that my opinions won't effect you either.

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I didn't say there was an issue. I said that TAMU could legally harass the show runners if they wanted to.

They don't want to. I agree with them, due to freedom of speech considerations.

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How is it harassment to tell them to pick another name, one that doesn't infringe on a registered wordmark?

Couldn't failure to protect the usage of the wordmark be used against TAMU in future registration renewals?

TAMU could always license the usage to this group, or others, but none should be entitled to just take it without the appropriate permission, in my view.

olarmy96 said:

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BusterAg said:

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I didn't say there was an issue. I said that TAMU could legally harass the show runners if they wanted to.

They don't want to. I agree with them, due to freedom of speech considerations.

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How is it harassment to tell them to pick another name, one that doesn't infringe on a registered wordmark?

Couldn't failure to protect the usage of the wordmark be used against TAMU in future registration renewals?

TAMU could always license the usage to this group, or others, but none should be entitled to just take it without the appropriate permission, in my view.

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Did a little more digging and as best as I can tell, Texas A&M only owns the mark Aggieland as it pertains to higher education printed materials, e.g the Aggieland yearbook.

It's not listed in the student government handbook as a wordmark needing approval to use either. And a quick search of the USPTO show plenty of different business using Aggieland.

So I guess several of us were wrong, myself included. It doesn't matter and they don't need permission because there is nothing to infringe upon.

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Eliminatus said:

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Shut this **** down

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At least most of them actually go to school there. Unlike the religious doomsaying freaks always causing a ruckus around the Academic building.

TAMU is a public space. This event is self funded and organized by current students with age restrictions. Leave them be. Don't even think about it and you'll be fine, I promise.

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That in bold tells me all I need to know about your attitudes and ideology. Too bad I somewhat respected your take on the Uke/Russian war.

Nice bigotry, just because someone has religious beliefs that go back as far as 3500 years, doesn't make them a freak. But your post says that they are and that drag is the norm. Especially cute given most societies in the last 1500 years have dismissed trans behaviors as mental illness.

Nice logic there.

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Jesus Christ man. You're really reaching on this one. And just fyi, you are allowed to disagree with someone and still value their opinions on other matters. It's called being an adult.

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I'm all for freedom of speech, but we certainly have decency laws.

It's crazy something that vile is allowed in a public forum on a University campus. These perverts should not be allowed to host this smut on a public campus. No burlesque or pornographic shows of any kind should be hosted at a University.

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Yep!
Glad DJT has taken over the Kennedy Center and ending this kind of thing there.

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So, when they say bag check....

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EOT

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I'm surprised the moderators let that post remain… they seem especially active recently.

olarmy96 said:

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BusterAg said:

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I didn't say there was an issue. I said that TAMU could legally harass the show runners if they wanted to.

They don't want to. I agree with them, due to freedom of speech considerations.

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How is it harassment to tell them to pick another name, one that doesn't infringe on a registered wordmark?

Couldn't failure to protect the usage of the wordmark be used against TAMU in future registration renewals?

TAMU could always license the usage to this group, or others, but none should be entitled to just take it without the appropriate permission, in my view.

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Maybe, if Draggieland was a commercial operation. All of the defenses available to the student org would be available to TAMU if someone tried to claim that TAMU doesn't protect "Aggieland".

Very, very, very big stretch.

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olarmy96 said:

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BusterAg said:

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I didn't say there was an issue. I said that TAMU could legally harass the show runners if they wanted to.

They don't want to. I agree with them, due to freedom of speech considerations.

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How is it harassment to tell them to pick another name, one that doesn't infringe on a registered wordmark?

Couldn't failure to protect the usage of the wordmark be used against TAMU in future registration renewals?

TAMU could always license the usage to this group, or others, but none should be entitled to just take it without the appropriate permission, in my view.

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Did a little more digging and as best as I can tell, Texas A&M only owns the mark Aggieland as it pertains to higher education printed materials, e.g the Aggieland yearbook.

It's not listed in the student government handbook as a wordmark needing approval to use either. And a quick search of the USPTO show plenty of different business using Aggieland.

So I guess several of us were wrong, myself included. It doesn't matter and they don't need permission because there is nothing to infringe upon.

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Thanks. I didn't double check that TAMU had registered the trademark. I appreciate your research.

Adult only admission. This is not a big deal

If wine swilling women want to waste their money on stupid sh** like this, so be it

And yes, many of those same women would bring their kids if they were allowed

Sick

olarmy96 said:

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BusterAg said:

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I didn't say there was an issue. I said that TAMU could legally harass the show runners if they wanted to.

They don't want to. I agree with them, due to freedom of speech considerations.

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How is it harassment to tell them to pick another name, one that doesn't infringe on a registered wordmark?

Couldn't failure to protect the usage of the wordmark be used against TAMU in future registration renewals?

TAMU could always license the usage to this group, or others, but none should be entitled to just take it without the appropriate permission, in my view.

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Recognized student organizations have access to some Texas A&M marks.

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Thank you for inspiring me to contact TAMU legal on Monday.

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how did the call go?