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Please read Jeff's Coffee and Covid from today. An amazing piece about how what has been uncovered by DOGE is the root of the complete lack on ingenuity and creativity in art, film, and thought. People have been paid to create instead of actually creating and the result is the extreme decline in culture. This article was one of his best and I've been reading it for years.

https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/the-big-thaw-thursday-february-6?r=dzrj0&utm_medium=ios

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Thank you.

As for the OP's article, pretty sure some of it is fiction but I hope the parts with JD Vance are not. Filled potholes and clean water overnight? LOL.

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AggieAL1 said:

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That's all well and good. But not a shred of it is constitutional. Of course, if the Supreme Court continues to trash the Constitution, illegality may reign.

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Please elaborate on how each part is unconstitutional. Cite sources.

You last sentence is nothing more than sour grapes.

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Elon and his Muppets have out flanked trump

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Swan Song said:

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Please read Jeff's Coffee and Covid from today. An amazing piece about how what has been uncovered by DOGE is the root of the complete lack on ingenuity and creativity in art, film, and thought. People have been paid to create instead of actually creating and the result is the extreme decline in culture. This article was one of his best and I've been reading it for years.

https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/the-big-thaw-thursday-february-6?r=dzrj0&utm_medium=ios

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Thank you.

As for the OP's article, pretty sure some of it is fiction but I hope the parts with JD Vance are not. Filled potholes and clean water overnight? LOL.

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This is what made it seem like Right Wing Porn to me as well.

How could some code implemented in DC, make potholes get filled in Springfield, OH; Water Systems fixed in MI, or Broadband in Tenn in less than a week.

While potholes could be fixed in a day or two, there is no way water treatment plants received upgrades in a few days.

AggieAL1 said:

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That's all well and good. But not a shred of it is constitutional. Of course, if the Supreme Court continues to trash the Constitution, illegality may reign.

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I have seen flippant remarks about these action being unconstitutional. I am no expert, but I highly doubt it is.

But let's say that it is……getting all of this unnecessary spending ID'd took illegal action…..then so be it. Criminals who use deceit and lies to tap into funds to make payoffs then hide behind laws……still need to be knocked off.

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So my question is "was this all part of the plan? " We are basically just following the path of what went on when Jimmy Carter was a Dem with high inflation then followed up by Reagan with 8 years of government controls and his Reagonomics. I don't fully understand but I've read where Inflation is a necessary evil for America to reduce is dept as a nation to other countries, and you run up inflation by printing money. Now that it has been achieved you bring in a guy like Trump (Elon) to take an ax to federal employees and extreme pork / waste spending. Anyway, seems this is all part of the plan?

As you can see, I'm no economist (lol) just kind of asking the question above

Or is this Deep State removal ?

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Debt to gdp increased under Reagan at just as hot a pace as with others. Drug running to fund cia. Gun running.

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"Pace" is meaningless. What was the actual debt to GDP ratio then vs now?

Parts of that seem to be corroborated with a WaPo article that was covered in Townhall article

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Representatives from Elon Musk's U.S. DOGE Service have fed sensitive data from across the Education Department into artificial intelligence software to probe the agency's programs and spending, according to two people with knowledge of the DOGE team's actions.


The AI probe includes data with personally identifiable information for people who manage grants, as well as sensitive internal financial data, the two people said. They described DOGE activities at the Education Department on the condition of anonymity due to fear of retaliation.

The DOGE team is using AI software accessed through Microsoft's cloud computing service Azure to pore through every dollar of money the department disburses, from contracts to grants to work trip expenses, one of the people said. Lower level department staffers were directed by agency leadership to let Musk's teams access the sensitive financial data, the person said.

The use of AI inside the Department of Education, which has not previously been reported, shows how Musk's group, which includes former employees from his tech empire, is tapping the favorite tool of Silicon Valley as part of its mission to drastically slash the size and functions of the federal government.

At the Department of Education, the DOGE's team aims to radically reduce spending and ultimately shrink the department and its staff, the people said helping further the Trump administration's push to get rid of it entirely.

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AI used against Deep State

Pretty easy to hash the PII data as really just any unique identifier is needed. Spending accounts all tie back to individuals in the source system so they don't actually need the email address or first/last name to run the model.

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So my question is "was this all part of the plan? " We are basically just following the path of what went on when Jimmy Carter was a Dem with high inflation then followed up by Reagan with 8 years of government controls and his Reagonomics. I don't fully understand but I've read where Inflation is a necessary evil for America to reduce is dept as a nation to other countries, and you run up inflation by printing money. Now that it has been achieved you bring in a guy like Trump (Elon) to take an ax to federal employees and extreme pork / waste spending. Anyway, seems this is all part of the plan?

As you can see, I'm no economist (lol) just kind of asking the question above

Or is this Deep State removal ?

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Debt to gdp increased under Reagan at just as hot a pace as with others. Drug running to fund cia. Gun running.

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"Pace" is meaningless. What was the actual debt to GDP ratio then vs now?

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The point that it grew over time under Reagan, but GDP grew quickly under Reagan, is a valid point.

It grew from about 30% to about 50% under Reagan. Not just a little bump.

It didn't start to decrease until entitlement reform that started under Bush but continued under Clinton. Oh, and Al Gore inventing the internet in 1995 also helped.

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That's all well and good. But not a shred of it is constitutional. Of course, if the Supreme Court continues to trash the Constitution, illegality may reign.

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Everything President Trump and Republicans are doing is constitutional.

Biden and Democrats forcing the vaccine on the public through OSHA, and Biden and Democrats forgiving all student loan debt is unconstitutional. Biden spent his last days in office helping the worst murderers and rapists in modern US history.

The conservative/Republican Supreme Court justices are originalists who actually follow the constitution. The liberal/Democrat Supreme Court justices like Jackson and Sotomayor are DEI hires whose briefs look like they were written by a 2nd grader. The Presidents (Biden/Obama) that appointed the unconstitutional living document Democrat Supreme Court justices even admitted and openly said they are picking DEI hires. Biden narrowed his job search to just 6.5 percent of the total population based on race and gender.

This is a must read that I really want to finish later. Thanks for sharing.

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That's all well and good. But not a shred of it is constitutional. Of course, if the Supreme Court continues to trash the Constitution, illegality may reign.

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There are some aspects of what is happening that will eventually need to be addressed by the USSC because they are without precedent. But for which actions precedent does exist, none of them to date have been clearly unconstitutional.

Moreover, the other side spent years weakening the executive and judicial branches of government to wield raw power and go after their political enemies. The USSC has declared NUMEROUS activities by the Obama and Biden administrations unconstitutional over the years. Obama was rebuked in the Supreme Court more than any other president in history.

So spare me the lecture please

This is all very good because in the theoretical sense the American system was designed to make a broad support popular revolt possible by non violent or kinetic means. If you got a mandate election that crosses the center line like we just did, it is de-facto like a regime change done with violence and upheaval, but simply by vote.

All the attempts to sabotage such a directive, is in itself more crony and tryanny minded. The legacy MSM in particular had enabled the growth of tyrannical and unaccountable federal government by a massive envelope of gaslighting and outright lies for their favored party, and those aligned with it. Fortunatly in 2024, even a block of the Center liberals simply stopped listening to them. They realized the Dem party and MSM no longer even vaguely looked out for America's interests.

Now to their shock, they are learning they actively worked against those interest and to support an overseas agenda or simple self-enrichment at the expense of America's future.

Even if the DOGE department is ruled unconstitutional in 4,5 or 6 months they will have brought to the public so much grotesque waste that it won't matter. You can never put it all back in Pandora's box and they will be forced to pass reform.

That sounds pretty silly that it could be. If so just rebrand it as a `consulting group' or even some members as Ministers without Portfolio like FDR or any number of terms. Then just sign what they send up to you if you like it.

You could add to that the Obama/Biden admin basically saying w some of those FAA revelations that some crashes and deaths were acceptable for DEI. Its right those positions being fired.

AggieAL1 said:

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That's all well and good. But not a shred of it is constitutional. Of course, if the Supreme Court continues to trash the Constitution, illegality may reign.

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Government employee, I see. Might want to find out if anyone in your organization has a copy of the Constitution you can borrow. Its good reading.

Just wait till President Trump's forces uncover a modern day STASI operating in the US: Data mining, identifying, and inflicting thousands of little cuts on the common man whose belief in God, family, and morals conflicted with the STASI swines debauched progressive world view..

Swan Song said:

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I have family members that work in government and they are worried for their jobs. Blame Musk and his cronies. Also quite upset that their family has voted for Trump knowing they may lose their jobs.

It's a tough situation.

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If their jobs are essential they have little to worry about.

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That's all well and good. But not a shred of it is constitutional. Of course, if the Supreme Court continues to trash the Constitution, illegality may reign.

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Piling on a bit, but I feel compelled to add on. The Constitution has been trampled on by the left to get whatever it is they want. The USSC has been course correcting a bit in the last few years - the end of Chevron, a revival of the "major questions" and "non delegation" doctrines (e.g. the OSHA mandate), the CFPB Director firing, the NLRB General Counsel firing. The Court has reminded those in government that the Executive have pretty close to plenary power to run that branch of government, no matter how much Congress and activist lower courts want to take that away.

Trump's team did a great job preparing for the first few weeks. As has already been explained, DOGE is a repurpose of an already-created program. Many of the things being undone were themselves created by EOs - live by the EO, die by the EO.

There's an open-is question about the ability of the Executive NOT to spend money appropriated by Congress, but I'm guessing the USSC will ultimately rule that the Executive has the discretion to spend or not spend once Congress appropriates. Lower court partisans will attempt to slow this down, and that's why it's all happening so fast - to allow these matters to make it to the USSC soon enough to matter.

The Ds may end up regretting these challenges as the Court may ultimately reset much of administrative law over the next 36 months, cementing these reforms. We can only hope that Kavanaugh and Barrett don't gum-up the works. Kavanaugh has been inside the beltway a very long time and Barrett has been a monumental disappointment.

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Deep state demolition.

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I love every second of it. Unfortunately the deep state nameless bureaucrats are so entrenched it will take years to truly rid the government of them.

AggieAL1 said:

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That's all well and good. But not a shred of it is constitutional. Of course, if the Supreme Court continues to trash the Constitution, illegality may reign.

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The US Constitution establishes the goals of the US government, including justice, domestic tranquility, and national defense. Just so you know

Swan Song said:

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I have family members that work in government and they are worried for their jobs. Blame Musk and his cronies. Also quite upset that their family has voted for Trump knowing they may lose their jobs.

It's a tough situation.

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It's called an intervention. Just like drug addicts, government workers often become addicted to the welfare state that is government employment. Time to send some folks to detox.