samurai_science said:

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Very interesting, I wonder what other problems this causes? Thoughts?

he PARF for CUD associated with schizophrenia almost tripled from 3.7% (95% CI, 2.7%-4.7%) during the prelegalization period to 10.3% (95% CI, 8.9%-11.7%) during the legalization period


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2829840

Since legalization, new schizophrenia cases linked to heavy cannabis use have tripled.

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— Nicholas Fabiano, MD (@NTFabiano) February 5, 2025

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I anticipate that the P for this correlation to shrink SUBSTANTIALLY if entitlement reform related to SS / Medicare payments for schizophrenia are implemented. The group of people that rely on government handouts to live that also smoke pot and play video games as their full time job is likely high and substantial. (see what I did there grammar police?)

I'm not defending THC at all. We need more study. It should not be a schedule 1 drug, it does wonders for pain management (as I have seen with older family members struggling with chronic disease), and is really bad for brain development up to at least age 25 (we do have good data on that). But, it has been largely ignored by pharma because it would be a cheap alternative to expensive opioids.

But, any argument that this particular correlation between THC and mental illness as causation is specious.

schmellba99 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Rossticus said:

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p_bubel said:

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Rossticus said:

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Now cry about the physical and mental health impacts of heavy alcohol usage, which is perfectly legal. Crickets? Gtfo. lol.

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No one here is pretending very heavy alcohol use is healthy.

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Then why does anyone care whether or not cannabis is legal? The the clear point of this post is to make the point that pot is harmful and should therefore not be legal. If current legal consumption of harmful substances is of no concern based on one person's preference then why is another, of no greater impact, an issue? I don't smoke pot but I find the dynamics inherent in the hypocrisy of the matter to be highly interesting.

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Because there are economic burden to the society for both legal/illegal drug mis-use.

I'm perfectly fine without any recreational drugs; cigarette, alcohol, caffeine, MJ, cocaine..

Quite frankly I feel everyone should be able to not use recreational drugs at will. But that's not the case.

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There is an economic burden to literally anything you want to point your finger at. Anything.

Food, water, clothing, every single material we use and interact with on a daily basis, etc, etc, etc. Using that as some type of metric is only applicable if you are uniform across the board.

And newsflash - the human race has, since we began to do more than just walk on 2 feet - always looked for, found or created ways to feel better. Always, since the dawn of time.

Where it has gone bad is when other humans decided they need to control things because they think they are morally superior than everybody else.

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For real?

Yeah let's allow everyone to do whatever they want in search of feeling better.

****ing ridiculous.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Rossticus said:

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p_bubel said:

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Rossticus said:

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Now cry about the physical and mental health impacts of heavy alcohol usage, which is perfectly legal. Crickets? Gtfo. lol.

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No one here is pretending very heavy alcohol use is healthy.

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Then why does anyone care whether or not cannabis is legal? The the clear point of this post is to make the point that pot is harmful and should therefore not be legal. If current legal consumption of harmful substances is of no concern based on one person's preference then why is another, of no greater impact, an issue? I don't smoke pot but I find the dynamics inherent in the hypocrisy of the matter to be highly interesting.

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Because there are economic burden to the society for both legal/illegal drug mis-use.

I'm perfectly fine without any recreational drugs; cigarette, alcohol, caffeine, MJ, cocaine..

Quite frankly I feel everyone should be able to not use recreational drugs at will. But that's not the case.

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There is an economic burden to literally anything you want to point your finger at. Anything.

Food, water, clothing, every single material we use and interact with on a daily basis, etc, etc, etc. Using that as some type of metric is only applicable if you are uniform across the board.

And newsflash - the human race has, since we began to do more than just walk on 2 feet - always looked for, found or created ways to feel better. Always, since the dawn of time.

Where it has gone bad is when other humans decided they need to control things because they think they are morally superior than everybody else.

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For real?

Yeah let's allow everyone to do whatever they want in search of feeling better.

****ing ridiculous.

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So you hate freedom and want to control other people's bodies. Got it.

Aggie Therapist said:

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Yes sir. Moderation is key.

However, in the addiction community, unfortunately that is not the case.

"Just drink less " or "just stop doing crack" is funny to hear. Addiction is a progressive disease that leads to complete destruction of mind, body and your entire social support system. I pray for the struggling addicts out there as a person in recovery myself.

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After being in the trenches for several years with a loved one who almost lost the fight with opioids, and entering the world of NA, Al-Anon etc....addicts in recovery are some of my genuine heroes. 10 years ago, before my 2016-2018 front row seat with crippling and life threatening addiction, I would have said "F em all".

I must say that I genuinely feel for alcoholics everywhere. Imagine how hard it would be for an oxy or heroin addict in recovery if that stuff was everywhere, to the point you can almost never escape it. Liquor stores, grocery stores, gas stations, pharmacies, every restaurant, every social gathering, work events, weddings, commercial breaks etc. I can't imagine what a constant battle it is for severe alcoholics, especially early in sobriety.

Teslag said:

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Another case for edibles

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Edibles are the most likely conduit for childhood consumption. Check the news for toddlers bringing gummies from home and getting the class high.

techno-ag said:

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Teslag said:

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Another case for edibles

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Edibles are the most likely conduit for childhood consumption. Check the news for toddlers bringing gummies from home and getting the class high.

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I don't think using EXTREME outlier examples are a good way to promote the illegality of THC.

Besides, that's a parenting problem. Blaming the THC instead of the parenting. Much like blaming the gun for the crime instead of the person.

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techno-ag said:

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Teslag said:

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Another case for edibles

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Edibles are the most likely conduit for childhood consumption. Check the news for toddlers bringing gummies from home and getting the class high.

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I don't think using EXTREME outlier examples are a good way to promote the illegality of THC.

Besides, that's a parenting problem. Blaming the THC instead of the parenting. Much like blaming the gun for the crime instead of the person.

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And yet we have childproof caps.

Edibles look and taste like candy. It's a legitimate issue.

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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techno-ag said:

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Teslag said:

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Another case for edibles

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Edibles are the most likely conduit for childhood consumption. Check the news for toddlers bringing gummies from home and getting the class high.

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I don't think using EXTREME outlier examples are a good way to promote the illegality of THC.

Besides, that's a parenting problem. Blaming the THC instead of the parenting. Much like blaming the gun for the crime instead of the person.

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And yet we have childproof caps.

Edibles look and taste like candy. It's a legitimate issue.

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Again, that's a parenting problem. Would you leave a gun around a child unattended? Hell no you wouldn't. Store your gummies where children can't get them.

But if you want child-proof packaging, I'm sure that's legislation that would have a good chance of passing in bipartison fashion.

samurai_science said:

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Very interesting, I wonder what other problems this causes? Thoughts?

he PARF for CUD associated with schizophrenia almost tripled from 3.7% (95% CI, 2.7%-4.7%) during the prelegalization period to 10.3% (95% CI, 8.9%-11.7%) during the legalization period


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2829840

Since legalization, new schizophrenia cases linked to heavy cannabis use have tripled.

🧵1/9 pic.twitter.com/cUqx7WlCLG

— Nicholas Fabiano, MD (@NTFabiano) February 5, 2025

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During that same period people also started giving their toddlers iPads and iPhones to be a combination Nanny and pacifier. Now we have millions of 21 year olds who have been on all kinds of psychiatric medications for years, believe there are more genders than Baskin Robbins flavors, and are severely anxious or even completely anhedonic when it comes to any interpersonal or sexual connection that isn't mediated through some form of cosplay of consumer media characters.

I sedate a lot of patients and I can tell you the ones using marijuanna are a pain in the ass. That **** makes them hard to sedate and they will go crazy under sedation. I should charge extra for those ****ers!

It should be banned in smoking form and banned for under 21. I'm fine with edibles being legal for > 21. Thank the smokers who have turned some cities into a filthy stench for my smoking position.

Has there been a study proving causation? Or is just data showing a correlation?

There is a lot of noise in discussing chemicals that alter mood, brain activity and their relationship with mental issues. Is the chemical causing it, treating it, making it worse or do those with mental issues seek such chemicals regardless of their effectiveness.