No way, the pot head on the corner told me it was healthy and safe.

TexAgsSean said:

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Maybe this is why you shouldn't legalize-it…

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What do you feel about alcohol?

General Jack D. Ripper said:

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TexAgsSean said:

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Maybe this is why you shouldn't legalize-it…

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Or maybe you allow people to make their own decisions and stop being a nanny ass.

That aside, modern day weed for some is 100% addictive. But so is the alcohol most on this website consume to excess. So is nicotine.

Save me from your desire to control what others do with their lives. We don't need you to protect us.

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FIFY.

TexAgsSean said:

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Maybe this is why you shouldn't legalize-it…

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This is also true for alcohol and most other drugs. Just take a trip on the NYC subway system to see for yourself.

Since Legalize-it Ag is a pothead who is now in prison for 14 years for attempted cap murder, perhaps he went schizo

Since GrapeSoda is a pothead who apparently is MIA right now and might be currently living his alter personality, perhaps he went schizo


coincidences? I think not.

Rossticus said:

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Rossticus said:

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Now cry about the physical and mental health impacts of heavy alcohol usage, which is perfectly legal. Crickets? Gtfo. lol.

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No one here is pretending very heavy alcohol use is healthy.

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Then why does anyone care whether or not cannabis is legal? The the clear point of this post is to make the point that pot is harmful and should therefore not be legal. If current legal consumption of harmful substances is of no concern based on one person's preference then why is another, of no greater impact, an issue? I don't smoke pot but I find the dynamics inherent in the hypocrisy of the matter to be highly interesting.

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Because there are economic burden to the society for both legal/illegal drug mis-use.

I'm perfectly fine without any recreational drugs; cigarette, alcohol, caffeine, MJ, cocaine..

Quite frankly I feel everyone should be able to not use recreational drugs at will. But that's not the case.

lol. right

Reefer madness is back! Great film.

Esteban du Plantier said:

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TexAgsSean said:

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Maybe this is why you shouldn't legalize-it…

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What do you feel about alcohol?

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You'll have to ask Legalize-It-Ag.

The whole point of my post was because a user by the name of Legalize-It-Ag is in quite a predicament - it was a play on words referencing his name and the situation.

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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Call me a skeptic.

To determine the attributable risk factor they are using an equation that is highly dependent on "adjusted hazard ratios". They say these are multivariable but don't ever really say how they land on the values.

Furthermore, in their figures they show that about 1/3 of the participants that had either an ED visit or were hospitalized for CUD also received acute care in the final 3 years of the study due to the use of other substances. That acute care rate for other substance use was also significantly higher for the CUD group than those that didn't have an ED visit or get hospitalized for CUD. Weird they only went back 3 years on that. The death rate was 64% higher over the period of time for the CUD group than everyone else, which makes me think those people were going pretty hard in general. Weed ain't killing people at that crazy of a rate.

Their graphs even show schizophrenia is down while weed use is way up over the time period for the sample population. I know the point of the attributable risk factor is to find out what's really going on as correlation doesn't equal causation, but again, I don't think they've shown enough to trust their "PARF".

Not saying weed isn't bad for your health, but I don't think this study should influence much.

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Agreed.

It would appear to me (and I am certainly not a medical researcher or statistician) that the most important take away from this study is the impact of marijuana use on people under the age of 25:

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The overall incidence of schizophrenia in our study was stable, consistent with prior work on changes immediately after cannabis legalization in Canada.35 However, this stability occurred because the incidence of schizophrenia increased among younger individuals while decreasing in older adults. Increasing rates of schizophrenia among younger adults are of considerable concern and may be capturing important harms associated with increasing cannabis use, as youths are considered the most vulnerable to cannabis use.

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There is already a decent amount of evidence that marijuana use in people with still developing brains (i.e. under 25) is more detrimental to the brain than use by those over 25. I would suspect that this conforms to that idea.

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Rossticus said:

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p_bubel said:

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Rossticus said:

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Now cry about the physical and mental health impacts of heavy alcohol usage, which is perfectly legal. Crickets? Gtfo. lol.

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No one here is pretending very heavy alcohol use is healthy.

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Then why does anyone care whether or not cannabis is legal? The the clear point of this post is to make the point that pot is harmful and should therefore not be legal. If current legal consumption of harmful substances is of no concern based on one person's preference then why is another, of no greater impact, an issue? I don't smoke pot but I find the dynamics inherent in the hypocrisy of the matter to be highly interesting.

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Because there are economic burden to the society for both legal/illegal drug mis-use.

I'm perfectly fine without any recreational drugs; cigarette, alcohol, caffeine, MJ, cocaine..

Quite frankly I feel everyone should be able to not use recreational drugs at will. But that's not the case.

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Teslag said:

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If you don't want to do partake then don't. Seems easy.

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Thats fine....as long as the schizos dont need benefits because they can't hold down a job.

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Are all bourbon drinkers unable to hold down jobs? Or just the ones that abuse it?

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Just the ones who become schizophrenic from drinking bourbon.

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I was worried about this but my Blanton's horse told me I'm fine.

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Teslag said:

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Teslag said:

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If you don't want to do partake then don't. Seems easy.

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Thats fine....as long as the schizos dont need benefits because they can't hold down a job.

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Are all bourbon drinkers unable to hold down jobs? Or just the ones that abuse it?

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You remove my responsibility to support someone with my tax dollars then they can do whatever they want to themselves. Until then ...

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Let's apply this to everything.

Starting with food. I'll need to go through your pantry first.

DallasAg 94 said:

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Then keep your windows closed (and on recirc) when you smoke.

Wash yourself before going into a restaurant...

So I don't have to smell it.

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Please don't wear any cologne or perfume that I don't like as well.

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Rossticus said:

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p_bubel said:

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Rossticus said:

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Now cry about the physical and mental health impacts of heavy alcohol usage, which is perfectly legal. Crickets? Gtfo. lol.

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No one here is pretending very heavy alcohol use is healthy.

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Then why does anyone care whether or not cannabis is legal? The the clear point of this post is to make the point that pot is harmful and should therefore not be legal. If current legal consumption of harmful substances is of no concern based on one person's preference then why is another, of no greater impact, an issue? I don't smoke pot but I find the dynamics inherent in the hypocrisy of the matter to be highly interesting.

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Because there are economic burden to the society for both legal/illegal drug mis-use.

I'm perfectly fine without any recreational drugs; cigarette, alcohol, caffeine, MJ, cocaine..

Quite frankly I feel everyone should be able to not use recreational drugs at will. But that's not the case.

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There is an economic burden to literally anything you want to point your finger at. Anything.

Food, water, clothing, every single material we use and interact with on a daily basis, etc, etc, etc. Using that as some type of metric is only applicable if you are uniform across the board.

And newsflash - the human race has, since we began to do more than just walk on 2 feet - always looked for, found or created ways to feel better. Always, since the dawn of time.

Where it has gone bad is when other humans decided they need to control things because they think they are morally superior than everybody else.

zephyr88 said:

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This is what happens when you 'engineer' weed.

80's weed was way more chill.

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Also, people are doing super concentrated dabs and taking very powerful high-dose edibles. There is no way using extreme amounts of weed on a regular basis is ok for your brain.

If people dosed the alcohol equivalent, they would die or go into coma.

Rossticus said:

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p_bubel said:

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Rossticus said:

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Now cry about the physical and mental health impacts of heavy alcohol usage, which is perfectly legal. Crickets? Gtfo. lol.

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No one here is pretending very heavy alcohol use is healthy.

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Then why does anyone care whether or not cannabis is legal? The the clear point of this post is to make the point that pot is harmful and should therefore not be legal. If current legal consumption of harmful substances is of no concern based on one person's preference then why is another, of no greater impact, an issue? I don't smoke pot but I find the dynamics inherent in the hypocrisy of the matter to be highly interesting.

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Because since 1970 when it was arbitrarily put on the list of Schedule 1 drugs, we have been brainwashed into thinking that it is the devil and horrible and awful and everything else.

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Tom Fox said:

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Teslag said:

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Teslag said:

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If you don't want to do partake then don't. Seems easy.

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Thats fine....as long as the schizos dont need benefits because they can't hold down a job.

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Are all bourbon drinkers unable to hold down jobs? Or just the ones that abuse it?

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You remove my responsibility to support someone with my tax dollars then they can do whatever they want to themselves. Until then ...

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Let's apply this to everything.

Starting with food. I'll need to go through your pantry first.

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No you won't because I do not support Medicare, Medicaid, EMTALA or Obamacare.

Eliminate it all and blow up to 400lbs. Have a blast.

schmellba99 said:

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Rossticus said:

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p_bubel said:

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Rossticus said:

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Now cry about the physical and mental health impacts of heavy alcohol usage, which is perfectly legal. Crickets? Gtfo. lol.

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No one here is pretending very heavy alcohol use is healthy.

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Then why does anyone care whether or not cannabis is legal? The the clear point of this post is to make the point that pot is harmful and should therefore not be legal. If current legal consumption of harmful substances is of no concern based on one person's preference then why is another, of no greater impact, an issue? I don't smoke pot but I find the dynamics inherent in the hypocrisy of the matter to be highly interesting.

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Because since 1970 when it was arbitrarily put on the list of Schedule 1 drugs, we have been brainwashed into thinking that it is the devil and horrible and awful and everything else.

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Not really... but...

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zephyr88 said:

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This is what happens when you 'engineer' weed.

80's weed was way more chill.

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Also, people are doing super concentrated dabs and taking very powerful high-dose edibles. There is no way using extreme amounts of weed on a regular basis is ok for your brain.

If people dosed the alcohol equivalent, they would die or go into coma.

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There is no way using extreme amounts of anything is good for you. Picking one thing out or another and focusing on that is stupid.

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Weed causes schizophrenia in some people.

This has been known for decades but the pot head lobby has been trying to cover it up and debunk it for decades too.

My mom told me this since I was a kid and seems she was right. She worked in mental health and drug addiction as a PA.

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Genuine question...does it CAUSE it, or TRIGGER it? I have read that most schizephrenic people have their first psychotic break by the time they are in their mid 20's. I have heard of people taking psychadelics, having an intense trip, and entering psychosis/schizzophrenia.

I am wondering id mind altering drugs can activate schizzophrenia? I also would not be surprised at all if long term heavy use could cause it...especially in younger people.

People under 25 are still developing their prefrontal cortex.

When I worked at a mental health hospital, my wing was high acuity.

Saw a lot of 18-22 year olds come in with active psychosis after using a THC Vape Pen. The dosage in the pens are way higher than the old stuff people use to smoke.

Had a patient that was the epitome of some one with schizophrenia. I did a collateral call with his father to gather more info and he said the patient use to be an amazing and talented, musician. One summer he did a bunch of drugs, father couldn't say which ones but I think a lot of pot, and he went off the rails.

Sad story really as the patient will have to be institutionalized for life. Hyperverbal, eyes-wide, pacing all day and nothing but word salad coming out of his mouth. Can't process anything when you talk to him.

Parents, stay vigilante with your teens and make sure they don't touch those vape pens. They can be laced with fentanyl as well. They can't buy the ones in the gas stations/vape store because they aren't 21 so they get crappy ones of the street.

Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical of the "science". COVID should have taught all of us that the "science" can be made up to further an agenda. The "science" backed up the reasoning for social distancing, masking, and the "safe and effective vaccine". And all of it was made up out of thin air.

As others have said, if you want to use, use. If you don't want to use, don't. All I know is there are many things you can find on a grocery store shelf that are worse for you than a little THC.

TexAgsSean said:

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Maybe this is why you shouldn't legalize-it…

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I mean who could imagine a drug that makes people lazy and sleepy and hungry could have other mental affects?!?!

no way!

This is the real problem with legal smoked weed. Secondary exposure in very young children for most of their lives. Scary stuff.

Cannabis smoke at home linked to secondhand exposure in children

Aggie Therapist said:

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People under 25 are still developing their prefrontal cortex.

When I worked at a mental health hospital, my wing was high acuity.

Saw a lot of 18-22 year olds come in with active psychosis after using a THC Vape Pen. The dosage in the pens are way higher than the old stuff people use to smoke.

Had a patient that was the epitome of some one with schizophrenia. I did a collateral call with his father to gather more info and he said the patient use to be an amazing and talented, musician. One summer he did a bunch of drugs, father couldn't say which ones but I think a lot of pot, and he went off the rails.

Sad story really as the patient will have to be institutionalized for life. Hyperverbal, eyes-wide, pacing all day and nothing but word salad coming out of his mouth. Can't process anything when you talk to him.

Parents, stay vigilante with your teens and make sure they don't touch those vape pens. They can be laced with fentanyl as well. They can't buy the ones in the gas stations/vape store because they aren't 21 so they get crappy ones of the street.

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Sad...knew a guy who became a cokehead and ended up being schizzophrenic...I think he partied hard in general. Crazy remembering how normal he was, and now hearing the sad and horrific stories (completely crazy, just wonders around his parents big house completely out of his mind).

This topic has always raised a chicken/egg question with me though. Schizzophrenic and other mentally ill people are going to try to self medicate often times...which makes things worse obviously. Makes you wonder how many times the drug actually caused the schizziophrenia, vs how many times they were slipping into psychosis and started doing more and more drugs.

Another case for edibles

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This is the real problem with legal smoked weed. Secondary exposure in very young children for most of their lives. Scary stuff.

Cannabis smoke at home linked to secondhand exposure in children

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This is sad...I can't tell you how many times I have seen people blazing in their cars with children ranging from toddlers to preteens while on my morning or afternoon commute in Houston.

And you know what? EVERY SINGLE TIME...a certain demographic...and almost always a female.

Teslag said:

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Another case for edibles

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I have no issue with edibles being legal. Just keep that crap out of my airspace and cranium.

LMCane said:

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TexAgsSean said:

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Maybe this is why you shouldn't legalize-it…

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I mean who could imagine a drug that makes people lazy and sleepy and hungry could have other mental affects?!?!

no way!

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Like alcohol, who could imagine that a drug that makes people have horrible judgement, and mentally impaired, could have mental effects. Alcohol, in excess is HORRIBLE for your body, brain and central nervous system.

The top athletes in the world, in any sport, from swimming to football, can toke and be just fine. I would wager that most NFL and NBA athletes use cannabis. If those same people were drinking with regularity, they would certainly wash out.

I just don't see what the problem is.

Can THC be problematic for SOME people? Of course.

There are also prescribed medications that can cause a slew of side effects, including schizophrenic symptoms.

Alcohol is legal and is without a doubt worse than THC.

So what are we arguing about here? Legalize it everywhere and regulate it. Some of the horror stories you're reading about in this thread would have been prevented if it were legal and people weren't just getting it from their buddy who got it from a questionable person on MLK Blvd.

Wyoming Aggie said:

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I just don't see what the problem is.

Can THC be problematic for SOME people? Of course.

There are also prescribed medications that can cause a slew of side effects, including schizophrenic symptoms.

Alcohol is legal and is without a doubt worse than THC.

So what are we arguing about here? Legalize it everywhere and regulate it. Some of the horror stories you're reading about in this thread would have been prevented if it were legal and people weren't just getting it from their buddy who got it from a questionable person on MLK Blvd.

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I have issues with involuntary second hand exposures. That does not happen with everything else you mentioned.

Yes sir. Moderation is key.

However, in the addiction community, unfortunately that is not the case.

"Just drink less " or "just stop doing crack" is funny to hear. Addiction is a progressive disease that leads to complete destruction of mind, body and your entire social support system. I pray for the struggling addicts out there as a person in recovery myself.

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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I just don't see what the problem is.

Can THC be problematic for SOME people? Of course.

There are also prescribed medications that can cause a slew of side effects, including schizophrenic symptoms.

Alcohol is legal and is without a doubt worse than THC.

So what are we arguing about here? Legalize it everywhere and regulate it. Some of the horror stories you're reading about in this thread would have been prevented if it were legal and people weren't just getting it from their buddy who got it from a questionable person on MLK Blvd.

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I have issues with involuntary second hand exposures. That does not happen with everything else you mentioned.

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Then ban it in public spaces like they did with smoking cigs.