LOYAL AG said:

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Helicopter Ben said:

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bobbranco said:

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Model S and Model X use about 18,500 cells that are double A sized. If all 5,500 EVs are those types of vehicles then 101,750,000 cells.

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This is the point. It's like comparing C4 to a firecracker. Or the Tsar Bomba and Fat Man/Little Boy are all nuclear bombs so what's the difference?

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That's a good comparison. One Tesla battery is what 1000 iPhones? 10,000? That's the real point. Cars are big and a pain in a situation like this anyway simply due to their mass. Now add in a battery that's hazardous waste and they're twice the problem. To argue otherwise seems silly to me. I love my Tesla but they aren't perfect by any means. Like Sowell says there are no solutions only trade offs. It's a very good car and the convenience of home charging really is significant over time vs going to the gas station but if your city burns to the ground because Democrats they're going to be a pain in the ass. Not sure why we're debating this one.

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Because one person is irrationally digging their heels in for the sake of saluting the EV.

Bravo LA.. Any excuse to keep the owners out and control the social engineering.

Teslag said:

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Again, I think that depends on how many burned in the fire. 3 EV's is negligible. 300 isn't. In addition what do you consider "small"? I'd be just as concerned from a safety perspective from some of the other lithium yard equipment. Those pack a lot of power but will be buried more in the rubble. And probably far more of them.

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Small = gets scooped up by a front end loader. A lot of small hazmat will make it into dump trailers and landfills - and isn't inconsequential - but the "clean up challenge" on site isnt really affected by these because it won't require work stoppage to call in a specialty crew.

Teslag said:

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How many Teslas burned in the fire? You can round to the nearest 10 if it helps.

The original EPA interview, 3 days ago, their concern was all lithium batteries because all can be toxic. This reporter just decided to take that and make it about EV's only.

And you think it's just vapes? Think about how many power tools, scooters, e-bikes, laptops, iPads, home appliances with batteries, etc.

You don't realize how many lithium batteries are in everything we use.

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I'm not an EV hater, they have have great uses. However, 1 car = a hell of a lot of other devices. I have 2 Android tablets, 2 iPads, 2 Android phones, 2 iPhones, 3 laptops, some power tools, and a robot vacuum. If I add all of the lithium ion batteries that I have, If I add all of the batteries together, I have well under 5 pounds of batteries, most of that wrapped up in the power tools.

The smallest Tesla battery is 1060 pounds.

There is just a slight difference.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Teslag said:

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Again, I think that depends on how many burned in the fire. 3 EV's is negligible. 300 isn't. In addition what do you consider "small"? I'd be just as concerned from a safety perspective from some of the other lithium yard equipment. Those pack a lot of power but will be buried more in the rubble. And probably far more of them.

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Small = gets scooped up by a front end loader. A lot of small hazmat will make it into dump trailers and landfills - and isn't inconsequential - but the "clean up challenge" on site isnt really affected by these because it won't require work stoppage to call in a specialty crew.

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Except the EPA did say these would be an issue

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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Teslag said:

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Again, I think that depends on how many burned in the fire. 3 EV's is negligible. 300 isn't. In addition what do you consider "small"? I'd be just as concerned from a safety perspective from some of the other lithium yard equipment. Those pack a lot of power but will be buried more in the rubble. And probably far more of them.

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Small = gets scooped up by a front end loader. A lot of small hazmat will make it into dump trailers and landfills - and isn't inconsequential - but the "clean up challenge" on site isnt really affected by these because it won't require work stoppage to call in a specialty crew.

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Except the EPA did say these would be an issue

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I can't believe you continue to beat the hell out of this very dead horse!

Quit ****ing with our ICE's. EV's don't work.

ts5641 said:

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Quit ****ing with our ICE's. EV's don't work.

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They work perfectly for some. Not at all for some.

Why is it so hard to acknowledge batteries from EV's hinder cleanup efforts?

akm91 said:

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Why is it so hard to acknowledge batteries from EV's hinder cleanup efforts?

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They absolutely do. Why is it hard to acknowledge that the EPA also said all lithium batteries will pose a problem?

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akm91 said:

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Why is it so hard to acknowledge batteries from EV's hinder cleanup efforts?

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They absolutely do. Why is it hard to acknowledge that the EPA also said all lithium batteries will pose a problem?

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Since you seem to keep missing the point, it's because they are 1000-10,000x the problem at one concentrated point. The risk here is not linear. That's what you don't seem to get. If people were storing like 10,000 iPhones in their houses, we would all agree with you.

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akm91 said:

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Why is it so hard to acknowledge batteries from EV's hinder cleanup efforts?

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They absolutely do. Why is it hard to acknowledge that the EPA also said all lithium batteries will pose a problem?

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Let me put it in terms you can understand. You have 1,000 needles that were used to give a safe, free, and effective vaccine. You have one needle that was used for drugs. The CDC comes out and says all used needles are dangerous so people comment on the 1,000 needles used for the safe, free, and effective vaccine being dangerous and you are foaming at the mouth screaming about the one drug needle. Or maybe you're foaming at the mouth from the safe, free, and effective vaccine.

That's what it looks like comparing a Tesla battery to a cell phone battery. Yes it really is that stupid.

Helicopter Ben said:

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Teslag said:

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akm91 said:

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Why is it so hard to acknowledge batteries from EV's hinder cleanup efforts?

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They absolutely do. Why is it hard to acknowledge that the EPA also said all lithium batteries will pose a problem?

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Since you seem to keep missing the point, it's because they are 1000-10,000x the problem at one concentrated point. The risk here is not linear. That's what you don't seem to get. If people were storing like 10,000 iPhones in their houses, we would all agree with you.

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Except there are far more batteries than just iPhones and EV's. And some of these batteries are as large or larger than an EV. My point, and the EPA's point as the basis of the article, is that they are much more pervasive than we realize. And your hand waving is proof they are correct to point it out.

If you want to have some real fun.....send in a complaint to the CARB / AQMD for the damaged caused by the "open burning." We are sorry your house burned down and you lost everything. You owe the city a fine of $10K for your Carbon pollution to the environment. Seems like a very commie thing to do to have a website to report on your neighbors for carbon emissions.

https://xappp.aqmd.gov/complaints/NewComplaint.aspx