With combustible lithium-ion batteries.

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Highly combustible lithium-ion batteries used in electric and hybrid vehicles are complicating cleanup efforts in the Los Angeles neighborhoods ravaged by wildfire damage.

Phase 1 of the federal cleanup is underway, as surveyors with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) work to remove and dispose of hazardous materials, including lithium-ion batteries found in charred vehicles and decimated homes. The EPA warned that batteries should be considered "extremely dangerous," even if they are believed to be intact, and "can spontaneously re-ignite, explode, and emit toxic gases and particulates even after the fire is out."

The Palisades and Eaton fires aftermath is estimated to require the "largest lithium-ion battery pickup, cleanup, that's ever happened in the history of the world," EPA incident commander Steve Calanog reportedly told local KNBC. He explained that removing lithium-ion batteries even those that do not appear damaged from fire wreckage requires "technical sophistication and care," as hazardous material crews find and deionize the batteries so they can be crushed or safely shipped for disposal.

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We don't know the long-term effects of all this exposure, and we haven't seen this on this large of a scale and this many electric vehicles," Los Angeles City Fire Capt. Adam VanGerpen told KNBC. "This is an unprecedented amount of electric vehicles with lithium-ion batteries in there."

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/los-angeles-fire-cleanup-complicated-unprecedented-number-evs-combustible-lithium-ion-batteries

Inb4 derail

Hollywood endings

For all the go green initiative, California is now the biggest ecological disaster in the U.S. Way to go guys!

We should all be grateful they were saving the world.

Guess they're not saving the world and making everything green

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Bravo

Very few that had homes there will be going back. Probably better off getting what they can for the land and starting over somewhere else....assuming the state doesn't steal it from them that is.

usmcbrooks said:

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For all the go green initiative, California is now the biggest ecological disaster in the U.S. Way to go guys!

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Would be interesting to find out where all of these burned electric car lithium ion batteries are disposed at.

I will bet not in California. Restrictions for disposal?

Now do this for gasoline engine cars...

in 3,2,1 - you know who will be here to argue this

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Besides in electric and hybrid vehicles, lithium-ion batteries can be found in personal electronics, vaping devices, power tools and home energy storage systems, which have become increasingly popular during California's power outages.

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Everyone is guilty. And expect many hand waves and goal post moving.

YouBet said:

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Very few that had homes there will be going back. Probably better off getting what they can for the land and starting over somewhere else....assuming the state doesn't steal it from them that is.

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The houses burned down in a very strange pattern. It's going to be a very weird neighborhood with empty lots and then homes left and right.

Trump nailed this when saying they were going to delay allowing homeowner in to cleanup because of some hazardous material.

Teslag said:

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Besides in electric and hybrid vehicles, lithium-ion batteries can be found in personal electronics, vaping devices, power tools and home energy storage systems, which have become increasingly popular during California's power outages.

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Everyone is guilty. And expect many hand waves and goal post moving.

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One Tesla = one Juul vape machine

How many Teslas burned in the fire? You can round to the nearest 10 if it helps.

The original EPA interview, 3 days ago, their concern was all lithium batteries because all can be toxic. This reporter just decided to take that and make it about EV's only.

And you think it's just vapes? Think about how many power tools, scooters, e-bikes, laptops, iPads, home appliances with batteries, etc.

You don't realize how many lithium batteries are in everything we use.

Teslag said:

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From article (and ignored by the OP)

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Besides in electric and hybrid vehicles, lithium-ion batteries can be found in personal electronics, vaping devices, power tools and home energy storage systems, which have become increasingly popular during California's power outages.

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Everyone is guilty. And expect many hand waves and goal post moving.

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But the article also clearly states that EVs are what are complicating the cleanup.

The journalist makes that assumption yes. But she's basing it on the EPA release 3 days ago that was concerned about all lithium batteries. And she took the opportunity to make it EV specific.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna188945

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As cleanup efforts get underway in the Los Angeles area neighborhoods marred by wildfires, one of the biggest challenges is the large number of lithium-ion batteries that were caught in the flames.

The batteries power most plug-in hybrid cars and electric vehicles, and are used in golf carts, e-bikes, laptops, cellphones and wireless earbuds. They're also found in power banks that provide backup energy during outages, which have become increasingly popular in homes.

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Teslag said:

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How many Teslas burned in the fire? You can round to the nearest 10 if it helps.

The original EPA interview, 3 days ago, their concern was all lithium batteries because all can be toxic. This reporter just decided to take that and make it about EV's only.

And you think it's just vapes? Think about how many power tools, scooters, e-bikes, laptops, iPads, home appliances with batteries, etc.

You don't realize how many lithium batteries are in everything we use.

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I know nothing but those things listed don't have a 2000lb pile of them unless I'm mis-figuring.

Are you saying EVs don't carry a massively larger danger factor to the folks during neighborhood burnouts?

Depends on how many vehicles were burned and left behind. 1 isn't a problem. We can all agree thousands are.

So it's impossible to say one way or another.

But every home is loaded with lithium batteries so ALL homes will require caution. That's what the EPA was getting at.

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Depends on how many vehicles were burned and left behind. 1 isn't a problem. We can all agree thousands are.

So it's impossible to say one way or another.

But every home is loaded with lithium batteries so ALL homes will require caution. That's what the EPA was getting at.

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Isn't it true that even the EVs would not be as much an issue without the nuee ardente level of 100 mph burning embers?? Those were horrific and near volcanic in force (hence the allusion)

Teslag said:

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From article (and ignored by the OP)

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Besides in electric and hybrid vehicles, lithium-ion batteries can be found in personal electronics, vaping devices, power tools and home energy storage systems, which have become increasingly popular during California's power outages.

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Everyone is guilty. And expect many hand waves and goal post moving.

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Over 30 mins. You're slipping.

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From article (and ignored by the OP)

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Besides in electric and hybrid vehicles, lithium-ion batteries can be found in personal electronics, vaping devices, power tools and home energy storage systems, which have become increasingly popular during California's power outages.

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Everyone is guilty. And expect many hand waves and goal post moving.

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Yeah, the iPhone and Tesla batts are comparable in size and landfill effects.

It was ignored by OP because it was an absurd observation. I would bet you that virtually all devices that were in use were not in the house. People took them with them. Most people don't keep too many old devices around. Even if they did, again, it doesn't compare to a EV battery. As far as tools, etc., again, much of that was packed with the people.

I'm sure other, non-battery related materials that are part of a house and not moved upon evacuation, are toxic when exposed to heat and fire. We get that there are always going to be some things in a situation like this that cause an environmental issue. But, at best, this is a "he did it too..." comeback and at worst, nonsensical. (I'm thinking harsher but I'll leave it at that).

And the hand wave. Again, it's only not comparable if we don't have numbers. The EPA said all lithium batteries were posing a threat. Not just EV's.

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And the hand wave. Again, it's only not comparable if we don't have numbers. The EPA said all lithium batteries were posing a threat. Not just EV's.

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I don't always threat, but when I do... I triple AAA lithium battery threat.

Damn you elon!

Teslag said:

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How many Teslas burned in the fire? You can round to the nearest 10 if it helps.

The original EPA interview, 3 days ago, their concern was all lithium batteries because all can be toxic. This reporter just decided to take that and make it about EV's only.

And you think it's just vapes? Think about how many power tools, scooters, e-bikes, laptops, iPads, home appliances with batteries, etc.

You don't realize how many lithium batteries are in everything we use.

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ok. How many lithium batteries in a laptop or home appliance would it take to power one EV? Don't tell me the fire department can't save my house because I have a gas powered mower and weed eater in my garage and they fear it will blow up.

There were a LOT of EV owners in the affected areas. There are hundreds of EVs and hybrids that will have to have the batteries salvaged. Much higher ownership percentage in those areas than average in that county.

If the EPA wants me to go pick up all the burned iPhones, iPads, blower batteries, lawn mower batteries, and other extremely hazardous small lithium ion batteries, I will be happy to do it (in a hazmat white suit) for $15,000,000 dollars

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There were a LOT of EV owners in the affected areas. There are hundreds of EVs and hybrids that will have to have the batteries salvaged. Much higher ownership percentage in those areas than average in that county.

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How do you know it was hundreds? I didn't see a number anywhere

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Teslag said:

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How many Teslas burned in the fire? You can round to the nearest 10 if it helps.

The original EPA interview, 3 days ago, their concern was all lithium batteries because all can be toxic. This reporter just decided to take that and make it about EV's only.

And you think it's just vapes? Think about how many power tools, scooters, e-bikes, laptops, iPads, home appliances with batteries, etc.

You don't realize how many lithium batteries are in everything we use.

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ok. How many lithium batteries in a laptop or home appliance would it take to power one EV? Don't tell me the fire department can't save my house because I have a gas powered mower and weed eater in my garage and they fear it will blow up.

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The article isn't about putting out fires or saving houses so not sure what you're even talking about

This is much ado about nothing. Sure, there is more hazardous waste than there would be if EV's weren't a thing, but vehicles account for a very small portion of the hazardous waste they are having to clean up. The typical household will have cleaning supplies, propane tanks, pesticides, fertilizers, chlorine, paint solvents, ammo, car fluids (extra oil, power steering fluid, antifreeze, etc.) and many others that account for FAR more than EV batteries.

Fox News is appealing to their demographic and y'all ate it up.

Wouldn't the homes with EVs have been protected from fire by the rainbows emanating from them?

None of the cars were Teslas cause they got themselves out... all by themselves.

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Damn you elon!

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Hey, if it wasn't for him and his Teslas we obviously wouldn't be having this discussion.

I guess it's time for the new EV Bros to take back their cybertrucks and get a real 'Mercan truck.