Politics of the crash.

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infinity ag
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1:48p, 1/30/25
lolz @ people who hang on to every word that Trump says, slice and dice it and bellyache that he said something not PC.

With Trump, you accept a bit of trolling. Some off the cuff stuff. Some talking without thinking. Look at what he does and blame him or laud him for that.,
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1:53p, 1/30/25
The DEI narrative is just a distraction, in this case.

More troublesome is how Trump immediately threw his own military under the bus, blaming them for the crash before all facts were gathered.
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In reply to Retired FBI Agent • 1:57p, 1/30/25
Retired FBI Agent said:
The DEI narrative is just a distraction, in this case.

More troublesome is how Trump immediately threw his own military under the bus, blaming them for the crash before all facts were gathered.
Solving problems steps on toes. That is not "more troublesome" than anything. It is a fact. Sorry we have become a nation of emos.
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In reply to pollo hermanos • 2:11p, 1/30/25
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pollo hermanos said:
No surprise his most ardent supports care little about reality.

The liberal CNN host baselessly blaming trump is evil.

Trump baselessly blaming DEI is good.

In reality, both are moronic.
Trump didn't blame DEI. He provided facts about the infiltration of the FAA by DEI-obsessed Marxists. He correctly asserts that the singular focus of the FAA should be competence.
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In reply to CDUB98 • 2:13p, 1/30/25
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CDUB98 said:
There shouldn't be any politics around this crash

Yes.

But the Federal government has gotten so large, so full of regulations, so many employees, so many intrusions into our daily life, etc. etc. etc., that Government, and therefore Politics, is way too big a part of our lives.
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2:14p, 1/30/25
Just a friendly reminder for those attacking Trump on DEI. This dude "bowed out," but 1 hr of cursory study couldve led him to "fake it to make it."

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In reply to M4 Benelli • 2:31p, 1/30/25
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WOW! That is pathetic.
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2:31p, 1/30/25
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So it was a Canadian made plane hitting a native American helicopter? Sounds like a First Nation problem, and Trudeau is to blame.
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2:32p, 1/30/25
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If Trumps "common sense" is true....

How does one prove that?

The only way would be to investigate the controller's hiring situation. Then, analyze how other controllers have directed helos in the same area to determine whether competence or negligence is the issue.
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2:38p, 1/30/25
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In reply to Deleted User • 2:49p, 1/30/25
Fair and reasonable post and I just wanted to address this question:
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But what is the point of this discussion this early after the accident?


Because regardless of whether or not it impacted this particular incident, this incident highlights the fact that operating flying vehicles with humans in them should only be done based on competence and competence alone.

Period.

Zero other factors should come into play, and when they do, your chances of death increase. Bigly.
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2:56p, 1/30/25
He will end up being right as usual that this was a dei screw up.
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2:58p, 1/30/25
Helicopter pilot was a woman?
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In reply to Retired FBI Agent • 3:00p, 1/30/25
Retired FBI Agent said:
The DEI narrative is just a distraction, in this case.

More troublesome is how Trump immediately threw his own military under the bus, blaming them for the crash before all facts were gathered.

Don't get your feelings hurt by mere talk. Let actions speak.
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3:00p, 1/30/25
i watched the clip and he did not say it was DEI. He said it "could have been but we'll see". Not sure about the comment on Biden firing some folks.

DEI has NO place in ATC. You need the best people for this job absolutely regardless of who/how/why etc.

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3:08p, 1/30/25


FAA head Klansmab searching for the best melanin. Strange how racism in our society is abhorent but also a glorious virtue at the same time !!!

The African American Grand kleagle starts his spiel at the 2:20 mark

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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 3:09p, 1/30/25
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Kenneth_2003 said:
Be Silent Longer

There is ZERO evidence at this time that DEI played any part of this. What we DO know is that 67 people are dead and 67 families lives have irrevocably changed forever. So based on that you're looking to speculate.
1. Trump apparently talked to someone / pilot that knew what happend
2. Trump knows standards were lowered
3.. The person Trump talked to probably mentioned the lowering the standard due to DEI.

We will see where this ends up.
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In reply to Danny Vermin • 3:12p, 1/30/25
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Danny Vermin said:
He will end up being right as usual that this was a dei screw up.


Yep.
One day at a time.
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In reply to Science Denier • 3:15p, 1/30/25
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Kenneth_2003 said:
Be Silent Longer

There is ZERO evidence at this time that DEI played any part of this. What we DO know is that 67 people are dead and 67 families lives have irrevocably changed forever. So based on that you're looking to speculate.
1. Trump apparently talked to someone / pilot that knew what happend
Someone find this pilot and disband the NTSB, investigation over.
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In reply to infinity ag • 3:17p, 1/30/25
infinity ag said:
Retired FBI Agent said:
The DEI narrative is just a distraction, in this case.

More troublesome is how Trump immediately threw his own military under the bus, blaming them for the crash before all facts were gathered.

Don't get your feelings hurt by mere talk. Let actions speak.


His first action last night was to throw the military/Blackhawk under the bus. That's my point. Sure it's just a mean tweet. But if I were a current Blackhawk pilot, I just saw my CIC sling **** at my peers right out the gate.
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3:22p, 1/30/25
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As a 3-time Trump voter and a lifelong Republican, I think it's premature to blame this crash on DEI or anything political. Now, the media will just have more ammo against Trump and Republicans to post. Perhaps, a lesson learned would be to change the operating procedures to prevent future accidents.
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In reply to Iraq2xVeteran • 3:24p, 1/30/25
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Iraq2xVeteran said:
As a 3-time Trump voter and a lifelong Republican, I think it's premature to blame this crash on DEI or anything political. Now, the media will just have more ammo against Trump and Republicans to post. Perhaps, a lesson learned would be to change the operating procedures to prevent future accidents.
People have to actually watch the legacy media in order for them to have any "ammo." They're not and nobody gives two ****s what they say.
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In reply to Retired FBI Agent • 3:26p, 1/30/25
Retired FBI Agent said:
infinity ag said:
Retired FBI Agent said:
The DEI narrative is just a distraction, in this case.

More troublesome is how Trump immediately threw his own military under the bus, blaming them for the crash before all facts were gathered.

Don't get your feelings hurt by mere talk. Let actions speak.


His first action last night was to throw the military/Blackhawk under the bus. That's my point. Sure it's just a mean tweet. But if I were a current Blackhawk pilot, I just saw my CIC sling **** at my peers right out the gate.
A few dead peers at that, ones still in the Potomac.


It's so odd the pass some people give Trump on things like this. I try to imagine any democrat president, hell any prior republican president, saying the **** he does and how these people would respond.
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BrazosDog02 said:
ETFan said:
Oh, cool. I'll post it again. Trump is being a complete piece of sxxx on this one.
Bingo. We need Terry Tate to office linebacker this *******. Seriously, Trump is not Obama when it comes to handling situations with grace and professional orator skills. Trumpy needs to be put in a closet with a coloring book while the pros get this **** under control. What a dumbass.
I remembered several instances where Obama went well over his skis with his early comments that turned out to be really bad takes. I asked Grok about it and this was the result:

President Barack Obama's comments following various events have sometimes been criticized or later viewed as misjudgments. Here are several instances where his initial remarks were seen as either incorrect or not well-received:

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  • Henry Louis Gates Jr. Arrest (2009):
    • Obama commented on the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. by saying, "I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home." This comment was made without all the facts and led to significant backlash, which resulted in Obama hosting a "Beer Summit" to calm tensions. This incident was particularly criticized for being premature and inflammatory.

  • Trayvon Martin Case (2012):
    • After the shooting of Trayvon Martin, Obama made a statement that resonated with many but was also seen by critics as potentially influencing public opinion before the legal process was complete. He said, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." While this was meant to humanize the tragedy and connect with the African American community, some viewed it as a personal involvement in a case that was still under judicial review.
  • Benghazi Attack (2012):
    • Following the attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, which resulted in the death of Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and others, initial comments from the Obama administration, including from UN Ambassador Susan Rice, suggested the attack was a spontaneous reaction to an anti-Muslim video. Later, it was acknowledged that this was a terrorist attack. Obama's comments and the administration's handling of the narrative were criticized for being misleading.
  • Iranian Protests (2009):
    • During the 2009 Iranian elections and subsequent protests, Obama was cautious in his response, hoping not to undermine potential diplomatic efforts with Iran. Critics argued that his initial reluctance to strongly support the protesters was a misstep. Later, in 2022, Obama reflected on this, admitting it might have been a mistake not to show more public support for the protesters at the time.

  • Boston Marathon Bombing (2013):
    • In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing, Obama's initial comments focused on the resilience of Bostonians and the need to unite against terrorism. While this was generally well-received, some commentators felt his remarks missed an opportunity to address the complexities of domestic terrorism or the radicalization of individuals within the U.S., which was later identified in this case.
      [url=https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/what-president-obama-left-out-086602][/url]

      These instances reflect moments where Obama's immediate reactions to events were later viewed as either factually incorrect, politically misjudged, or lacking in depth, depending on one's perspective. Each situation highlights the challenges of responding to rapidly developing events with limited information while in a high-profile position like the presidency.
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    In reply to Iraq2xVeteran • 3:28p, 1/30/25
    Iraq2xVeteran said:
    As a 3-time Trump voter and a lifelong Republican, I think it's premature to blame this crash on DEI or anything political. Now, the media will just have more ammo against Trump and Republicans to post. Perhaps, a lesson learned would be to change the operating procedures to prevent future accidents.
    It absolutely does not matter. He was being blamed immediately after for...reasons.

    There is nothing he can say that will appease the left. They're psychotic. I don't care what he says, and don't pay it any attention because he just talks. I do love how butthurt they get, though.
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    In reply to ETFan • 3:43p, 1/30/25
    ETFan said:
    Retired FBI Agent said:
    infinity ag said:
    Retired FBI Agent said:
    The DEI narrative is just a distraction, in this case.

    More troublesome is how Trump immediately threw his own military under the bus, blaming them for the crash before all facts were gathered.

    Don't get your feelings hurt by mere talk. Let actions speak.


    His first action last night was to throw the military/Blackhawk under the bus. That's my point. Sure it's just a mean tweet. But if I were a current Blackhawk pilot, I just saw my CIC sling **** at my peers right out the gate.
    A few dead peers at that, ones still in the Potomac.


    It's so odd the pass some people give Trump on things like this. I try to imagine any democrat president, hell any prior republican president, saying the **** he does and how these people would respond.


    Dems routinely jump all over any mass shooting or deadly natural disaster to blame them on republicans not enacting gun control or climate legislation before the bodies are cold. Politicizing tragedies is an art form that was pioneered by democrats going back to Clinton blaming AM talk radio for the Oklahoma City bombing. But keep clutching those pearls.
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    3:52p, 1/30/25
    AG
    I love reading people **** on Trump when the last 4 years we had a dementia patient for a POTUS who could only answer prescripted questions hand-picked for him and then he would read the "answers"...poorly. GTFO with your criticisms.
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    In reply to ETFan • 4:01p, 1/30/25
    ETFan said:
    Retired FBI Agent said:
    infinity ag said:
    Retired FBI Agent said:
    The DEI narrative is just a distraction, in this case.

    More troublesome is how Trump immediately threw his own military under the bus, blaming them for the crash before all facts were gathered.

    Don't get your feelings hurt by mere talk. Let actions speak.


    His first action last night was to throw the military/Blackhawk under the bus. That's my point. Sure it's just a mean tweet. But if I were a current Blackhawk pilot, I just saw my CIC sling **** at my peers right out the gate.
    A few dead peers at that, ones still in the Potomac.


    It's so odd the pass some people give Trump on things like this. I try to imagine any democrat president, hell any prior republican president, saying the **** he does and how these people would respond.


    Mind boggling and the first post of this thread just straight regurgitation without any critical thinking. Smh
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    In reply to aggiedent • 4:04p, 1/30/25
    aggiedent said:
    ttu_85 said:
    Prime0882 said:
    Logos Stick said:
    pollo hermanos said:
    No surprise his most ardent supports care little about reality.

    The liberal CNN host baselessly blaming trump is evil.

    Trump baselessly blaming DEI is good.

    In reality, both are moronic.

    Trump did not blame DEI.


    Did you even watch the presser? Swear it feels like 1984 on this board sometimes.
    1984 was great times. Didn't get to see the presser but based on the scale of the tragedy I find this post to be very odd. What does a tragic event have to do with what was generally a very successful year for the US with the USSR being bent over a barrel.

    In general, DEI absolutely compromised competence and adversely effected organizational effectiveness in a very negative way. No way one can honestly and truthfully make a case otherwise.


    He's talking about 1984 the book, not the year.
    Sorry I missed where 1984 was italicized in that post.
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    In reply to ttu_85 • 4:18p, 1/30/25
    ttu_85 said:
    Prime0882 said:
    Logos Stick said:
    pollo hermanos said:
    No surprise his most ardent supports care little about reality.

    The liberal CNN host baselessly blaming trump is evil.

    Trump baselessly blaming DEI is good.

    In reality, both are moronic.

    Trump did not blame DEI.


    Did you even watch the presser? Swear it feels like 1984 on this board sometimes.
    1984 was great times. Didn't get to see the presser but based on the scale of the tragedy I find this post to be very odd. What does a tragic event have to do with what was generally a very successful year for the US with the USSR being bent over a barrel.

    In general, DEI absolutely compromised competence and adversely effected organizational effectiveness in a very negative way. No way one can honestly and truthfully make a case otherwise.


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    4:25p, 1/30/25
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    If anyone says "diversity of our strength", don't hire them or work for them.
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    In reply to BoydCrowder13 • 4:31p, 1/30/25
    BoydCrowder13 said:
    ttu_85 said:
    Prime0882 said:
    Logos Stick said:
    pollo hermanos said:
    No surprise his most ardent supports care little about reality.

    The liberal CNN host baselessly blaming trump is evil.

    Trump baselessly blaming DEI is good.

    In reality, both are moronic.

    Trump did not blame DEI.


    Did you even watch the presser? Swear it feels like 1984 on this board sometimes.
    1984 was great times. Didn't get to see the presser but based on the scale of the tragedy I find this post to be very odd. What does a tragic event have to do with what was generally a very successful year for the US with the USSR being bent over a barrel.

    In general, DEI absolutely compromised competence and adversely effected organizational effectiveness in a very negative way. No way one can honestly and truthfully make a case otherwise.


    Jesus
    What about Him?

    After stomping on your lib BS for years you finally decided to fight back with a deep intellectual argument. How bad ass of you.
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    In reply to BrazosDog02 • 4:43p, 1/30/25
    BrazosDog02 said:
    ETFan said:
    Oh, cool. I'll post it again. Trump is being a complete piece of **** on this one.
    Bingo. We need Terry Tate to office linebacker this *******. Seriously, Trump is not Obama when it comes to handling situations with grace and professional orator skills.
    Yeah, Hussein never publicized events.
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