JD Vance has blistering response for Catholic bishops who criticized ICE raids

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Vance punches back at both Moderator Margaret Brennan (CBS Face the Nation) and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops:
  • Questions if Bishops are worried about "Bottom Line" as they receive $100 Million for resettling immigrants
  • Let them talk about children who have been sex trafficked if they have immigration humanitarian concerns
  • U.S. Conference of Bishops "...has not been a good partner in common sense immigration enforcement ...."

Thank you Mr. Vice President!

https://nypost.com/2025/01/26/us-news/jd-vance-hits-conference-of-catholic-bishops-over-ice-raids-in-churches-criticism/

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JD Vance has blistering response for Catholic bishops who criticized ICE raids in churches: 'Worried about their bottom line'
By Ryan King Published Jan. 26, 2025, 10:14 a.m. ET

Vice President JD Vance fired back at the US Conference of Catholic Bishops over its denunciation of the Trump administration rule change allowing ICE raids in churches and schools.

Last week, the religious group slammed the move for "turning places of care, healing, and solace into places of fear and uncertainty for those in need" and warned that it endangers "the trust between pastors" and "the people they serve."

"As a practicing Catholic, I was actually heartbroken by that statement," Vance, 40, told CBS News' "Face the Nation" in an interview that aired Sunday.

"I think that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops needs to actually look in the mirror a little bit and recognize that when they receive over $100 million to help resettle illegal immigrants. Are they worried about humanitarian concerns? Or are they actually worried about their bottom line?" he asked.

"If they're worried about the humanitarian costs of immigration enforcement, let them talk about the children who have been sex trafficked because of the wide open border of Joe Biden," he added of the Catholic group.

Moderator Margaret Brennan pressed Vance about whether the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is "actively hiding criminals from law enforcement," but the vice president was evasive.

"I think the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has, frankly, not been a good partner in common sense immigration enforcement that the American people voted for, and I hope, again, as a devout Catholic, that they'll do better," he explained.

Brennan also pressed Vance about whether the hardline immigration policy would have a chilling effect that could make parents reluctant to send their children to school.

"I desperately hope it has a chilling effect," he shot back, "on illegal immigrants coming into our country."....

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10:00a, 1/27/25
If a pastor is not opening their own personal home and church to house these people while trying to preach this message, they are hypocrites…. And we all know what the Bible says about hypocrites.
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In reply to Corn Pop • 10:06a, 1/27/25
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Corn Pop said:
If a pastor is not opening their own personal home and church to house these people while trying to preach this message, they are hypocrites…. And we all know what the Bible says about hypocrites.
Oh no, not the hypocrite word!!!! Pastors have to let convicted child rapists, sex traffickers, ISIS terrorists, and drug traffickers in to their homes; and, .... we have to have the dumbest open borders immigration policy in the world because a TexAgs poster says if we don't we are hypocrites.

The good guys are getting rid of the illegal alien criminals. And, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and other Christian leaders have been complicit in what has happened - and is now being reversed.
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10:30a, 1/27/25
I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.
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10:31a, 1/27/25
I agree, throw the money back in the government faces and try to milk it from their flock. (good luck)
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10:39a, 1/27/25
I wonder if the USCCB realizes the vast majority of us out in the pews are not behind them on this.
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As a Catholic, I sort of get the idea that the churches charity organizations look at "assisting" illegals in this way is a charitable act. However, thinking this way would be extremely shallow thinking and ignores the bigger picture of what enabling human trafficking is doing. It is a net negative that otherwise well-meaning charitable people seem oblivious to.

Additionally, let's never forget that all men are flawed, and bishops are not immune to wrong thinking. There is without question, a plague of leftism in American bishops just like everywhere else. I believe the church in the US is turning against the leftists in the clergy, albeit slowly. Nothing happens quickly in the church.

All that being said, I don't doubt that there are those involved in this within the church that are looking at that money and sinfully desiring the use of it. It isn't greed that drives this. It is pride, the worst of sins.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
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10:43a, 1/27/25
We're about to see why clergy have been arrested in the past for treason where the clergy were in the wrong.
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In reply to fc2112 • 10:49a, 1/27/25
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fc2112 said:
I wonder if the USCCB realizes the vast majority of us out in the pews are not behind them on this.
Saddens me to think that most bishops don't care.
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10:53a, 1/27/25
Vance is clearly the future. He's a more charismatic Desantis.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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10:54a, 1/27/25
I know the answer, but since when does the left/media care what Catholic Bishops have to say?
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In reply to American Hardwood • 10:55a, 1/27/25
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American Hardwood said:
As a Catholic, I sort of get the idea that the churches charity organizations look at "assisting" illegals in this way is a charitable act. However, thinking this way would be extremely shallow thinking and ignores the bigger picture of what enabling human trafficking is doing. It is a net negative that otherwise well-meaning charitable people seem oblivious to.

Additionally, let's never forget that all men are flawed, and bishops are not immune to wrong thinking. There is without question, a plague of leftism in American bishops just like everywhere else. I believe the church in the US is turning slowly against the leftists in the clergy, albeit slowly. Nothing happens quickly in the church.

All that being said, I don't doubt that there are those involved in this within the church that are looking at that money and sinfully desiring the use of it. It isn't greed that drives this. It is pride, the worst of sins.
I very much agree. Further, the hierarchy would do well to include in their admonitions on immigration policy the duties the immigrant has to their new (prospective) home (e.g. obeying their laws for one) and the duties/obligations of the state such as providing for the common good (as you have begun to highlight above). But no... it's only about welcoming the stranger. So their teaching is prima facie unbalanced and wrong. And as has been highlighted in multiple places now, the USCCB and other Catholic NGOs are raking in tons of cash to assist with immigration policy. Given this apparent conflict of interest, those of us in the pews are left bewildered and with an inability to trust them even if they were correct.
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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.
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Main issue I have with all of this is the blame going to the people taking the migrants in.

The Pope should be yelling at the leaders of the countries that these people are coming from for the sinful act of greed and selfishness of not taking care of their own citizens. What are they not doing to take care of their own people, in their own countries. These countries have rich resources, but they are corrupt, greedy and inefficient with the gifts God has given them. Point the blame where it is due.

Pope should be scolding them, and telling the USA that we should be caring and if these South American countries can't govern their people, then the USA should overthrow their government and manage their countries for them.

This is like getting yelled at for not fully adopting/making heir to your fortune (accumulated by multigenerational family sacrifices) the neighbor's kid, who you do not know at all, but just walked into your house one day because he was getting abused by his parents. All while the parents are treated like Angels. So odd.
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In reply to Ghost of Andrew Eaton • 11:03a, 1/27/25
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
Vance is clearly the future. He's a more charismatic Desantis.
Charisma does not equal effectiveness. See Gavin Newsome.

DeSantis has proven to be an effective leader who can recognize problems and come up with pragmatic solutions that work.

Vance may have this ability but at this time he hasn't shown that he can get things done like DeSantis.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
Vance is clearly the future. He's a more charismatic Desantis.
Charisma does not equal effectiveness. See Gavin Newsome.

DeSantis has proven to be an effective leader who can recognize problems and come up with pragmatic solutions that work.

Vance may have this ability but at this time he hasn't shown that he can get things done like DeSantis.
That's a fair argument.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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In reply to Burdizzo • 11:29a, 1/27/25
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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.
That's just conjecture on your part. I'd imagine plenty of the priests in Latin America speak out when they can. Conjecture on my part.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
Burdizzo said:
How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.
That's just conjecture on your part. I'd imagine plenty of the priests in Latin America speak out when they can. Conjecture on my part.



Fair enough. I dont attend Catholic Church, and I especially don't attend Catholic Church in South America. That said, I don't hear about too many Dietrich Bonhoeffer types down there, and there appears to be a lack of coordination among the dioceses considering "Catholic Charities" here in the US is shuttling these people all over the country.
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fc2112 said:
I wonder if the USCCB realizes the vast majority of us out in the pews are not behind them on this.
Saddens me to think that most bishops don't care.


Because a Bishop should be guided by man and not the Lord?

Some of you have really lost the plot.
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Burdizzo said:
How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.


Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?
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bangobango said:
747Ag said:
fc2112 said:
I wonder if the USCCB realizes the vast majority of us out in the pews are not behind them on this.
Saddens me to think that most bishops don't care.


Because a Bishop should be guided by man and not the Lord?

Some of you have really lost the plot.

Enabling drug running and child sex trafficking isn't following the Lord's instructions either.

The bishops have too many socialists in their ranks, in the US and in Rome. Texas Catholics especially have seen firsthand the consequences of these policies. This isn't about providing sanctuary to displaced people, it's about enabling criminals worldwide to operate with legal and financial backing from these corrupt practices.
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agracer said:
Burdizzo said:
How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.


Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.
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Decay said:
agracer said:
Burdizzo said:
How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.


Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.


Who exactly are you talking about? Priests are very often themselves the ones being politically targeted for persecution by their government. What a weird thing to blame the persecuted for enabling their own persecution.
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Trigon Jin said:
I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.
The answer is in your statement.

The catholicism (I mean the religious) part is very small compared to the catholic church's political part. It has been that way for centuries.

The people in control of the catholic church determined that aiding unrestricted illegal immigration into the US would further their political plans,whether that was through money gained, potential increase in the population of catholics in the US, the toppling of capitalism in the US, or whatever.

It was NEVER about helping people or being Christ-like. It was a complete move to politically advance the catholic church.
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Papal skills
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Bob Lee said:
Decay said:
agracer said:
Burdizzo said:
How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.


Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.


Who exactly are you talking about? Priests are very often themselves the ones being politically targeted for persecution by their government. What a weird thing to blame the persecuted for enabling their own persecution.
Specifically, when someone advocates for sending more people to the US and hiding behind their Faith instead of justifying their behavior. I understand there's countless examples of corruption and retribution and it's hard to speak up. But too many of them, if they are in fact trying to do the right thing, are very loudly doing very wrong things.
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If a pastor is not opening their own personal home and church to house these people while trying to preach this message, they are hypocrites…. And we all know what the Bible says about hypocrites.
Today's Pharisees. Talk the talk...seldom, if ever walk the walk.
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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.
This, especially your first thought. Vance can tell them to take their asses down south and help out down there when we send them back.

How about that? Catholics are weak and pathetic, just look at the pope cleaning a Muslims feet a couple years back. Idiots and morons that are pathetic and weak

I grew up Catholic, it will end with me. All I see is a church purging their flock of their cash. Or the non hispanics of the church*
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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.
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Decay said:
Bob Lee said:
Decay said:
agracer said:
Burdizzo said:
How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.


Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.


Who exactly are you talking about? Priests are very often themselves the ones being politically targeted for persecution by their government. What a weird thing to blame the persecuted for enabling their own persecution.
Specifically, when someone advocates for sending more people to the US and hiding behind their Faith instead of justifying their behavior. I understand there's countless examples of corruption and retribution and it's hard to speak up. But too many of them, if they are in fact trying to do the right thing, are very loudly doing very wrong things.


Is there a particular priest from a particular diocese in South America you're thinking of? Is there a particular Church doctrine that calls for sending more people to the U.S. illegally?

Again, there are multiple countries in S. America whose governments actively persecute Catholics and Christians generally. And it seems like you're saying the persecuted are hiding behind their faith. What would you like to see from the priests who are being driven out of their countries?
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There's this "little" thing called Mission Trips. You want to help these people? Help them in their own land!
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Stealing this from the other Vance thread....

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Catholic here.

I hope the US gives exactly $0.00 to Catholic NGO's for helping illegals.

Reference
Catholic Online
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An in-depth analysis of federal spending has revealed that the Biden administration granted Catholic NGOs nearly $2.9 billion in immigration-related funding
ZERO
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Bob Lee said:
Decay said:
Bob Lee said:
Decay said:
agracer said:
Burdizzo said:
How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.


Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.


Who exactly are you talking about? Priests are very often themselves the ones being politically targeted for persecution by their government. What a weird thing to blame the persecuted for enabling their own persecution.
Specifically, when someone advocates for sending more people to the US and hiding behind their Faith instead of justifying their behavior. I understand there's countless examples of corruption and retribution and it's hard to speak up. But too many of them, if they are in fact trying to do the right thing, are very loudly doing very wrong things.


Is there a particular priest from a particular diocese in South America you're thinking of? Is there a particular Church doctrine that calls for sending more people to the U.S. illegally?

Again, there are multiple countries in S. America whose governments actively persecute Catholics and Christians generally. And it seems like you're saying the persecuted are hiding behind their faith. What would you like to see from the priests who are being driven out of their countries?
I don't even have to go to South America. San Antonio is full of very loud Catholic advocates for everything from getting involved in politics around "immigration reform" (which always ends up being "let them all in") to accepting money from NGOs, to physically sheltering illegals, to paying for housing. None of that is getting stuck between a rock and a hard place - it's blatant corruption in the guise of Ministry.

But why take my word for it, the USCCB is all over it. Visit justiceforimmigrants.org and see if they even mention the word "trafficking" or "drugs" because they sure seem to think it's much more important to talk about rights of immigrants being able to come to the US.
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