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i assume this is being asked in good faith

the voucher pushers are making the assumption that availability of funds will result in more private schools popping up and schools then being positioned to compete for those dollars.

my question is whether there's enough data out there to support that assertion. the demand for daycare is through the roof but its difficult to find quality affordable daycare. maybe vouchers are the difference. i dont know. it just seems like an assumption not based on any current research or data (unless i dont know about it)

so like you're talking about disabled kids. how many schools are there out there that are available and affordable to serve those kids with disabilities who are going to get first access to these funds? the assumption is that someone will see there's a market and try and fill it? there already is a market and no one has filled it.

hope that makes sense.

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I actually think this is backwards.

It's not the voucher pushers that assume more private schools will pop up, but those against the vouchers.

The loudest complaints I see are from parents who have kids at good schools, who are afraid private schools will pop up and take money away from those good schools.

I'm not sure that logic holds though, as I would think that if a public school is good and highly sought after (and presumably more convenient), parents are going to stick with that option.

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Exactly. What do government schools need to worry about if they provide a great education?

Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

the most cool guy said:

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

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It's not a property tax refund to my rich ass. I am means tested out. And if you don't get exactly what you paid in taxes, it is a handout.

I'm petty sure my position is the actual conservative one.

But by all means, take a victory lap.

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

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It's not a property tax refund to my rich ass. I am means tested out. And if you don't get exactly what you paid in taxes, it is a handout.

I'm petty sure my position is the actual conservative one.

But by all means, take a victory lap.

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I probably make more money than you, so I'm sure I will be means tested out too.

Oh no you didnt

the most cool guy said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

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It's not a property tax refund to my rich ass. I am means tested out. And if you don't get exactly what you paid in taxes, it is a handout.

I'm petty sure my position is the actual conservative one.

But by all means, take a victory lap.

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I probably make more money than you, so I'm sure I will be means tested out too.

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Sweet. Now if we can just get you more conservative than me, we will be in business.

The govt should not be in the business of paying for individual family expenses with taxpayer money. That is the individual's responsibility.

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

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It's not a property tax refund to my rich ass. I am means tested out. And if you don't get exactly what you paid in taxes, it is a handout.

I'm petty sure my position is the actual conservative one.

But by all means, take a victory lap.

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I probably make more money than you, so I'm sure I will be means tested out too.

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Sweet. Now if we can just get you more conservative than me, we will be in business.

The govt should not be in the business of paying for individual family expenses with taxpayer money. That is the individual's responsibility.

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I agree. My own property taxes aren't just some nebulous "tax payer money." They are my money. Taxation is theft. But if I have to pay it, I should get to direct which school it goes to.

the most cool guy said:

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Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

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It's not a property tax refund to my rich ass. I am means tested out. And if you don't get exactly what you paid in taxes, it is a handout.

I'm petty sure my position is the actual conservative one.

But by all means, take a victory lap.

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I probably make more money than you, so I'm sure I will be means tested out too.

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Sweet. Now if we can just get you more conservative than me, we will be in business.

The govt should not be in the business of paying for individual family expenses with taxpayer money. That is the individual's responsibility.

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I agree. My own property taxes aren't just some nebulous "tax payer money." They are my money. Taxation is theft. But if I have to pay it, I should get to direct which school it goes to.

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I agree, but you just said that you will not get to because you are means tested out. And these vouchers will not be a refund for "your" property tax receipts.

What percentage of property tax payers with two public school kids pays $20k in education property taxes? What do you call getting others tax dollars to pay for your individual needs? Now say it with me ... E.N.T.I.T.L.E.M.E.N.T.

Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

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It's not a property tax refund to my rich ass. I am means tested out. And if you don't get exactly what you paid in taxes, it is a handout.

I'm petty sure my position is the actual conservative one.

But by all means, take a victory lap.

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I probably make more money than you, so I'm sure I will be means tested out too.

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Sweet. Now if we can just get you more conservative than me, we will be in business.

The govt should not be in the business of paying for individual family expenses with taxpayer money. That is the individual's responsibility.

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I agree. My own property taxes aren't just some nebulous "tax payer money." They are my money. Taxation is theft. But if I have to pay it, I should get to direct which school it goes to.

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I agree, but you just said that you will not get to because you are means tested out. And these vouchers will not be a refund for "your" property tax receipts.

What percentage of property tax payers with two public school kids pays $20k in education property taxes? What do you call getting others tax dollars to pay for your individual needs? Now say it with me ... E.N.T.I.T.L.E.M.E.N.T.

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I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm just saying I should get to direct my own property tax money wherever I want, including to a private school for my kids. I don't want anybody else's property tax money. I just paid about $34,000 on January 31st. That will do.

And a school choice bill is the closest we're going to get to that framework even though it's still not perfect.

the most cool guy said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

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It's not a property tax refund to my rich ass. I am means tested out. And if you don't get exactly what you paid in taxes, it is a handout.

I'm petty sure my position is the actual conservative one.

But by all means, take a victory lap.

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I probably make more money than you, so I'm sure I will be means tested out too.

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Sweet. Now if we can just get you more conservative than me, we will be in business.

The govt should not be in the business of paying for individual family expenses with taxpayer money. That is the individual's responsibility.

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I agree. My own property taxes aren't just some nebulous "tax payer money." They are my money. Taxation is theft. But if I have to pay it, I should get to direct which school it goes to.

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I agree, but you just said that you will not get to because you are means tested out. And these vouchers will not be a refund for "your" property tax receipts.

What percentage of property tax payers with two public school kids pays $20k in education property taxes? What do you call getting others tax dollars to pay for your individual needs? Now say it with me ... E.N.T.I.T.L.E.M.E.N.T.

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I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm just saying I should get to direct my own property tax money wherever I want, including to a private school for my kids. I don't want anybody else's property tax money. I just paid about $34,000 on January 31st. That will do.

And a school choice bill is the closest we're going to get to that framework even though it's still not perfect.

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Oh, we are in agreement then. How can you support this particular bill? It doesn't do that.

Is that in Texas and just the ISD portion? If so, damn. That is 4 times what I pay.

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the most cool guy said:

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the most cool guy said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Tom Fox said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

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It's not a property tax refund to my rich ass. I am means tested out. And if you don't get exactly what you paid in taxes, it is a handout.

I'm petty sure my position is the actual conservative one.

But by all means, take a victory lap.

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I probably make more money than you, so I'm sure I will be means tested out too.

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Sweet. Now if we can just get you more conservative than me, we will be in business.

The govt should not be in the business of paying for individual family expenses with taxpayer money. That is the individual's responsibility.

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I agree. My own property taxes aren't just some nebulous "tax payer money." They are my money. Taxation is theft. But if I have to pay it, I should get to direct which school it goes to.

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I agree, but you just said that you will not get to because you are means tested out. And these vouchers will not be a refund for "your" property tax receipts.

What percentage of property tax payers with two public school kids pays $20k in education property taxes? What do you call getting others tax dollars to pay for your individual needs? Now say it with me ... E.N.T.I.T.L.E.M.E.N.T.

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I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm just saying I should get to direct my own property tax money wherever I want, including to a private school for my kids. I don't want anybody else's property tax money. I just paid about $34,000 on January 31st. That will do.

And a school choice bill is the closest we're going to get to that framework even though it's still not perfect.

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Oh, we are in agreement then. How can you support this particular bill? It doesn't do that.

Is that in Texas and just the ISD portion? If so, damn. That is 4 times what I pay.

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I don't support this bill. I said that three posts ago.

That was just the total property taxes for all of my real estate. Not the ISD portion.

That's not really your own $34,000 though. If you have multiple properties, it's at least shared by some renters.

I would be okay with residents getting a refund on their ISD property taxes on the address they primarily reside in if they submit a private school bill to their county tax office. For most people, that's going to be about $5,000. That's a lot more reasonable than a possible $30,000 voucher for 3 kids.

First I've heard of the income limits. Looks like I'll continue to write a $50k check for my kids school on top of the 10k I send to the public school.

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That's not really your own $34,000 though. If you have multiple properties, it's at least shared by some renters.

I would be okay with residents getting a refund on their ISD property taxes on the address they primarily reside in if they submit a private school bill to their county tax office. For most people, that's going to be about $5,000. That's a lot more reasonable than a possible $30,000 voucher for 3 kids.

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This! This should have been the bill in its entirety.

This is not complicated.

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First I've heard of the income limits. Looks like I'll continue to write a $50k check for my kids school on top of the 10k I send to the public school.

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If more people apply than funding, then the first 80% is doled out via a lottery to those who were in public school 90% of the prior year and are at or below 500% of the poverty level or have a disability. The remaining is doled out via lottery to everyone who wasn't chosen or eligible for the first 80%.

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Anti-voucher people are anti-market, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, pro-handouts, and pro-cartel. It is appalling that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually defending the way Texas has structured public education and property taxes. Education is not some sacred cow where government control magically works even though it doesn't work anywhere else. Public schools should have to compete for funding just like private schools.

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Not me. I am for property tax refunds and you pay for own kids. It already competes with the private school free market, you just want taxpayer money to pay for it. If there was not a free Markey, how have my kids never dipped a toe in public school?

How is this voucher entitlement BS more conservative than that?

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As I am referring to them, "vouchers" would be essentially a property tax refund, which is how it works in some other states. So I think we're saying the same thing. By no means am I saying that this particular voucher bill is good. It's not. I'm just speaking generally about the idea of school choice for all, whether that's in the form of a "voucher" or a property tax refund.

Anti-school choice people are who I was excoriating.

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It's not a property tax refund to my rich ass. I am means tested out. And if you don't get exactly what you paid in taxes, it is a handout.

I'm petty sure my position is the actual conservative one.

But by all means, take a victory lap.

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I probably make more money than you, so I'm sure I will be means tested out too.

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Sweet. Now if we can just get you more conservative than me, we will be in business.

The govt should not be in the business of paying for individual family expenses with taxpayer money. That is the individual's responsibility.

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I agree. My own property taxes aren't just some nebulous "tax payer money." They are my money. Taxation is theft. But if I have to pay it, I should get to direct which school it goes to.

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Except you're not entirely free to direct where your money goes - it can only be used on pre-approved expenses and schools (accredited ones or you receive less money).

So, not poor people ( I say this to point out that this is typically a big talking point for the necessity of vouchers - that it opens up access for lower income families) will have their bills paid for by program administrators but only to pre-approved vendors and only after their child takes a nationally recognized norm-referenced test. Sounds like there is a bit of control (strings) attached…

https://tennesseestands.org/commentary/how-the-tennessee-general-assembly-sold-out-parents-and-betrayed-conservatives-the-truth-behind-the-voucher-bills-passage/?vcrmeid=ZO8JY2piEyC1t9Pll9l2w&vcrmiid=dw5YI6luUkWOa9U7l_mkGg

So many similarities to us and our bill…

Message from the lone Republican Senator SB2 dissenter.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/470525210129877/permalink/2051474595368256/

Petition to sign:

https://www.facebook.com/61561796310286/posts/pfbid02iAQM1Pbb5CMGPiZ3ZSFtqxPirkpQo5Lwsfmm2DQQxW1ZpG6BBHxHnvhaCUGKciTJl/?app=fbl

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DO NOT GIVE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS! Do not let the government dangle money in front of you in exchange for your freedom.

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I am not sure this is what is happening. If they are giving me $10K per year for school expense and the state tells me I have to do something I don't want to do for that money then I will not renew the education savings account and come out of pocket.

The school can not be held over the fire because the money is tied to the student. At least that is how I read things.

The part that needs to be dealt with is the surging rates of tuition once these private schools get a taste of that money. Rate protection or % tuition increase per year needs to be a thing. I think new schools should offer that as a selling point to help fill their classrooms. This will keep older, filled schools from dramatically raising their rates.

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DO NOT GIVE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS! Do not let the government dangle money in front of you in exchange for your freedom.

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I am not sure this is what is happening. If they are giving me $10K per year for school expense and the state tells me I have to do something I don't want to do for that money then I will not renew the education savings account and come out of pocket.

The school can not be held over the fire because the money is tied to the student. At least that is how I read things.

The part that needs to be dealt with is the surging rates of tuition once these private schools get a taste of that money. Rate protection or % tuition increase per year needs to be a thing. I think new schools should offer that as a selling point to help fill their classrooms. This will keep older, filled schools from dramatically raising their rates.

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This will not happen. My kids private school will surely raise their tuition. Then my tax dollars will cause my private school expenditures to rise while I am simultaneously means tested out of my own tax dollars funded voucher.

The liberals that support this should be shot.

User name does not check out.

You want the state coming in and regulating what private businesses can charge for their services? That's….well….it's something.

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User name does not check out.

You want the state coming in and regulating what private businesses can charge for their services? That's….well….it's something.

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They know this is a new entitlement boondoggle and will play out like the student loan idiocy in colleges.

They don't care and just want their entitlement, consequences be damned.

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DO NOT GIVE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS! Do not let the government dangle money in front of you in exchange for your freedom.

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I am not sure this is what is happening. If they are giving me $10K per year for school expense and the state tells me I have to do something I don't want to do for that money then I will not renew the education savings account and come out of pocket.

The school can not be held over the fire because the money is tied to the student. At least that is how I read things.

The part that needs to be dealt with is the surging rates of tuition once these private schools get a taste of that money. Rate protection or % tuition increase per year needs to be a thing. I think new schools should offer that as a selling point to help fill their classrooms. This will keep older, filled schools from dramatically raising their rates.

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This will not happen. My kids private school will surely raise their tuition. Then my tax dollars will cause my private school expenditures to rise while I am simultaneously means tested out of my own tax dollars funded voucher.

The liberals that support this should be shot.

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Every Republican senator, except for 1, voted yes. Every Democrat voted no.

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DO NOT GIVE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS! Do not let the government dangle money in front of you in exchange for your freedom.

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I am not sure this is what is happening. If they are giving me $10K per year for school expense and the state tells me I have to do something I don't want to do for that money then I will not renew the education savings account and come out of pocket.

The school can not be held over the fire because the money is tied to the student. At least that is how I read things.

The part that needs to be dealt with is the surging rates of tuition once these private schools get a taste of that money. Rate protection or % tuition increase per year needs to be a thing. I think new schools should offer that as a selling point to help fill their classrooms. This will keep older, filled schools from dramatically raising their rates.

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It's just a matter of time before impacts will no longer be felt by only those taking the money, but by everyone, taking the money or no.

Just like the UIL bill. They got it approved at least in part by saying districts had the choice to opt-in. Now they are proposing that schools have to instead opt-out.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/08/13/oklahoma-private-school-tax-credit-tuition-increase-some-schools/74781756007/

Howdy, it is me! said:

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https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/08/13/oklahoma-private-school-tax-credit-tuition-increase-some-schools/74781756007/

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Don't worry, Abbott has this all figured out. He has the best interest of kids in his heart and it has nothing to do with this:

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/16/greg-abbott-jeff-yass-camapaign-donation/

I'm pretty sure most of us understand that this has never been about the best thing for the kids.

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You want the state coming in and regulating what private businesses can charge for their services? That's….well….it's something.

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No, do not want govt. involved. I don't think Texas should pay for any education at all. But it sounds like individual student expense accounts will be used.

What I said is there will be this desire by established private schools to increase rates. Before we open the doors on these student expense accounts, there needs to be a demand by the consumer (us) to secure language about raising rates and new schools being started could be the way to do it. It will be an attractive way of filling the school and if established schools raised rates, the school opening next door contract reads that their rates are constrained.

Nevermind…I think I understand it now.

You want the schools to use locked in rates as a selling point to the consumers? Thats a fair ask, but good luck.

Why would they do that when they don't have to? Government sales tax dollars are going to be flowing in and they have little to no incentive to not take every dollar they get.

Not that he will read or care, but let him know just how many of us DO NOT WANT THIS!

https://www.facebook.com/100044326754863/posts/pfbid0erCMv6Mumk7nwLgJXmLHdhSN4noPawhThC95WVK63Ce3nsCCTg4nye3ep7bQSigNl/?app=fbl

I am mostly assuming this is going to be a **** show - maybe that's wrong, but that is my assumption with government. Why should I trade one **** show for another?

The ESAs will cost $10 billion a year within 7 years. Just imagine how much the TXLEGE could drive down property taxes for $10 billion a year? Probably enough for some to pay for private school tuition. The rest of us whose kids are out of the house could buy nice cars, a boat and maybe an airplane.