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#12 will be tricky, particularly where education is involved.

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When you read the actual language, not tricky at all.

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Sec. 20. Denial of Public Benefits to Illegal Aliens. The Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall take all appropriate action to ensure that all agencies identify and stop the provision of any public benefits to any illegal alien not authorized to receive them under the provisions of the INA or other relevant statutory provisions.

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They are authorized to receive public education (for now). So this would not apply to that benefit

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The OP's summary left out the qualifiers. Sounds like that provision won't cover much.

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It limits public benefits provided to illegals to those benefits specifically enumerated in the INA and other signed legislation.

So, providing an illegal alien a plane ticket? Probably not going to be able to do that anymore. I'm not sure what is whitelisted in the INA other than education and emergency healthcare, but it definitely does not include plane tickets from foreign countries into the US. So, it carries more weight than you are stating.

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His "summary" is lacking on some of the points.

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Trying to be brief to cover all the topics without copy and paste.

I did provide a length if you want to get into the details.

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10) Revokes all federal funding to "sanctuary" jurisdictions. This is pretty huge. Want to fight ICE? Fine, no money for roads, schools, etc. coming from the federal government. This is a huge hammer, and I don't really like this use of power because it is often misused, but it is a bold shot across the bow.

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It is a huge hammer and I have no problem with it. Far better to use a stick that withholds money instead of a carrot of spending more money to try to "solve" the problem like the swamp usually does business.

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It would suck if the federal government does something stupid in future administrations, like refusing funding for public education to states that have restrictive abortion laws.

I know that the distinction here is that the sanctuary jurisdictions are violating a law by not enforcing federal immigration policy, but withholding government funding on one topic due to an impasse on a totally unrelated political issue is a slippery slope. I am not a fan.

Wow. That EO is serious and amazingly good for this. I love how it hits the NGOs and the Sanctuary jurisdictions.

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10) Revokes all federal funding to "sanctuary" jurisdictions. This is pretty huge. Want to fight ICE? Fine, no money for roads, schools, etc. coming from the federal government. This is a huge hammer, and I don't really like this use of power because it is often misused, but it is a bold shot across the bow.

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It is a huge hammer and I have no problem with it. Far better to use a stick that withholds money instead of a carrot of spending more money to try to "solve" the problem like the swamp usually does business.

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It would suck if the federal government does something stupid in future administrations, like refusing funding for public education to states that have restrictive abortion laws.

I know that the distinction here is that the sanctuary jurisdictions are violating a law by not enforcing federal immigration policy, but withholding government funding on one topic due to an impasse on a totally unrelated political issue is a slippery slope. I am not a fan.

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And congressmen shouldn't use insider information to buy stocks or get pork for their constituents so that they get voted in again. So many things. Where do we start?

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Catholic Church is about to take a huge pay cut.

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How much of a cut does the Catholic Church take from Catholic Charities?

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Ok, Catholic Church charities which are affiliated with the church, like CCUSA.

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CCUSA, Lutheran Charities, a whole bunch of them, run by the same types of dimwit bleeding heart middle age women as that 'bishop' who lectured Trump in church this week and then went on CNN. All the mainline Protestant (and oh by the way some Jewish groups) have the same stuff on the side, functionally, this isn't a denominational knock, just that Catholic Charities is the biggest one.

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And one of those groups started and continues to sponsor the Somali takeover of Minnesota
What a cluster F that is.

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The membership of CCUSA is made up of 168 diocesan Catholic Charities agencies. Each falls under the auspices of its local bishop/archbishop and serves the needs of the community in which it is located.

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https://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/about-us/mission/

You going to broad brush all of these independent agencies or just focus on the ones that have actually done something wrong?

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If they're so independent, what is the purpose, structure, and funding of their common national organization?

Hint, they aren't independent. They're a concerted national effort. Is that effort really charitable? Or is it spinning a 'deer' feeder full of community funded corn, and live trapping and distributing the racoons that 'happen' to show up.

If you want to know why the leaders of the USCCB are spending their time pretending that open borders are a part of the Catechism, it's because over half of its total revenue in 2023 came from the $129M in government contracts they received to resettle illegals in our country. https://t.co/TD3mBfiP12 pic.twitter.com/YE4QS5ukwr

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) January 24, 2025

Again not to just pick on CCUSA but this is 'big money' to these groups and their executives.

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Catholic Church is about to take a huge pay cut.

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CCUSA, Lutheran Charities, a whole bunch of them, run by the same types of dimwit bleeding heart middle age women as that 'bishop' who lectured Trump in church this week and then went on CNN. All the mainline Protestant (and oh by the way some Jewish groups) have the same stuff on the side, functionally, this isn't a denominational knock, just that Catholic Charities is the biggest one.

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It's those Missouri Synod Lutherans! They going to hell anyways.

Don't ever get in the middle of a ELCA vs. Missouri synod argument. I learned that a ways back; let's just say they don't get along.

Seriously, I had a link a year or two ago about how much their executives were making and the dramatic increase in pay over the past couple years (this was around late 2022) but I don't have the interest to try to dig that back up. It's pretty incredible though, if my memory is correct. Here's one piece that gives some idea:

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But while it's true the number of migrants has exploded in recent years, critics say these enormous federal grants far exceed the current need. The facilities themselves are generally owned by private companies and are leased to the NGOs, which house the unaccompanied minors and attempt to unite them with family members or, if that's not possible, people who will take care of themtheir so-called sponsors. The ORR does not publicly list the specific number of shelters it funds in its efforts to house migrants, a business The New York Times once described as "lucrative" and "secretive."

While some NGOs have long had operations at the border, "what is new under Biden is the amount of taxpayer money being awarded, the lack of accountability for performance, and the lack of interest in solving the problem," said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that researches the effect of government immigration policies and describes its bias as "low-immigration, pro-immigrant."

Consider Global Refuge, based in Baltimore, Maryland. In 2018, according to its federal disclosure form, the Baltimore-based nonprofit had $50 million in revenue. By 2022, its revenue totaled $207 million$180 million of which came from the government. That year, $82 million was spent on housing unaccompanied children. Global Refuge also granted $45 million to an organization that facilitates adoptions as well as resettling migrant children.

Now Global Refuge employs over 550 people nationwide, and CEO Vignarajah said in January that the nonprofit plans to expand to at least 700 staffers by the end of 2024.

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Making millions off of the taxpayer for human trafficking is not my idea of 'Christian charity.' And it's global in scale, including flying folks like lovely afghan's all the way around the globe to be 'resettled' in Texas. I think the people helping to do this and profiting mightily along the way are absolute scum, but I know some disagree.

Trump's immigration "crackdown" is focused on arresting and deporting murderers, rapists, violent gang members, and other dangerous criminals who were being protected by sanctuary policies. If the Catholic Church is more concerned with harboring evil men than the safety of Christians in those communities, then the Catholic Church is as evil. Christianity is not a suicide pact.

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If you want to know why the leaders of the USCCB are spending their time pretending that open borders are a part of the Catechism, it's because over half of its total revenue in 2023 came from the $129M in government contracts they received to resettle illegals in our country. https://t.co/TD3mBfiP12 pic.twitter.com/YE4QS5ukwr

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) January 24, 2025

Again not to just pick on CCUSA but this is 'big money' to these groups and their executives.

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As a Catholic those funds need to be stripped yesterday.

NYC just happened to have just gone 5 straight days without a shooting (though it was broken today/overnight). Weird, right?

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The Big Apple went five days without a single shooting victim in a milestone that hasn't been reached in 30 years, the NYPD announced Thursday night.

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What could have possibly changed 5 days ago?

Did he address the united nations and there human rights/refugee stuff, if not they will keep funding and pushing the immigrants.

It really doesn't matter what our enemies at the UN do, as they can't get around our own programs if they are controlled. 2024 CFR article:

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President Biden has promised to reverse this downward trend. In May 2021, he revised Trump's annual admissions cap to 62,500 for the remainder of the year, and in October, he doubled the ceilingfor FY 2022 to 125,000. Biden maintained the 125,000 cap for FY 2023 and FY 2024, with the majority of 2024 admission slots allocated for refugees from Africa and Latin America and the Caribbean. He has also launched the Welcome Corps program, which allows U.S. citizens and permanent residents to privately sponsor and support refugees with the help of a consortium of nonprofit organizations. In the program's first year, some fifteen thousand sponsors signed up to eventually welcome more than seven thousand refugees into the United States.

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Refugees admitted to the United States from former Soviet countries increased sharply in the decade beginning in 1989. From 2010 to 2020, the highest number of refugees came from Myanmar, Iraq, and Bhutan, in descending order. By comparison, in 2023, the countries with the most refugees admitted to the United States were the Democratic Republic of Congo, Syria, Afghanistan, and Myanmar, in that order.

In 2017, Trump issued an executive order that temporarily prohibited the entry of nationals of seven Muslim-majority countriesIran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemenand indefinitely barred all Syrian refugees. (Admissions for Syrians restarted in January 2018.) The executive order also tightened visa restrictions that had been imposed under Obama on those seven countries. The Trump administration revised the order twice amid legal challenges, until April 2018, when the Supreme Court allowed the third version of the order to stand.

Trump also heavily criticized a resettlement deal with Australia finalized by Obama, in which the United States was to take 1,250 refugees currently being held by Australian authorities in offshore detention centers. Many of these refugees were from Iran and Somalia, countries included in the third iteration of the travel ban. By January 2024, the United States had resettled more than 1,100 refugees as part of the deal.

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I haven't seen it but hopefully Trump re-instates the ban from the 7 (muslim majority) countries lacking any real ability to document their populace for screening, and home to much terrorism still today. If our state department resettlement support centers reject or do not process applicants, they don't get flown here.

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The U.S. State Department, in consultation with a constellation of other agencies and organizations, manages the process through its refugee admission program, USRAP. The first step for a potential refugee abroad is most often to register with the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). UNHCR officials collect documentation and perform an initial screening and then refer qualifying individuals to State Department Resettlement Support Centers (RSCs), of which there are seven around the world. Sometimes this referral is done by a U.S. embassy or a nongovernmental organization.

Then, RSC officials interview the applicants, verify their personal data, and submit their information for background checks by a suite of U.S. national security agencies. These security checksinclude multiple forms of biometric screening, such as cross-checks of global fingerprint databases and medical tests.

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Sensibly, refugees should be resettled only in the countries/regions closest to their original homes, a policy which was long adhered to until Obama/Biden/Soros decided it was a slick idea to fly in so many from Africa/the Middle East etc across the globe to 'culturally enrich' the US. This just needs to permanently stop. If someone is fleeing conflict in the Congo, they need to go to an adjacent country, basically. Then it never gets passed over to these 10 lovely enemies of the republic to resettle the refugees amongst us:

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CCUSA, Lutheran Charities, a whole bunch of them, run by the same types of dimwit bleeding heart middle age women as that 'bishop' who lectured Trump in church this week and then went on CNN. All the mainline Protestant (and oh by the way some Jewish groups) have the same stuff on the side, functionally, this isn't a denominational knock, just that Catholic Charities is the biggest one.

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Fair enough.

The fly in the ointment is what is considered "illegal". Will those "migrants" who crossed, got processed, and got a court date be considered "illegal"? What you and I think is irrelevant. It's what the courts that let this nonsense start think that ultimately counts.

San Antonio will be. CC has been ankle deep in moving illegals around.

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The fly in the ointment is what is considered "illegal". Will those "migrants" who crossed, got processed, and got a court date be considered "illegal"? What you and I think is irrelevant. It's what the courts that let this nonsense start think that ultimately counts.

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I think your question revolves around basically 'catch and release' for 'migrants' (aka illegal aliens), not those processed and brought/flown/shipped into the US as refugees and handed over to the assorted 10 groups to help 'resettle' them. Those processed as 'catch and release' illegal aliens were nominally given court dates (and a phone) 3 years out I think over the past year, with relatively little to no expectation they would show up, and represent what I assume is a very small proportion of federal funds given to the 10 organizations I posted above.

I am not clear on a breakdown of the funds to each or for what group, I just think it is mostly for refugees admitted legally, not the category of illegal aliens released with a future (generally fictitious) pending court date, though I think there is (maybe?) a middle ground for folks processed in Panama near Darien Gap etc. via Regional Processing Centers and flown up.

If you or others know of how to verify/break down any of that please do post it, I appreciate it.

I'm referring to the overall numbers of "newcomers" [/pukeface] that will fall under the deportation plan and be fair game for ICE. The low hanging fruit of known deportees and those "not on the books" is in the millions and more than enough to keep them busy for years. It's the millions more awaiting court dates and straining our resources that will be an albatross around our collective necks for years. Perhaps as it gets tougher for them to stay, even a goodly chunk of them will self deport.

Ah ok thx. I've been focused on the other stuff with the 'charities.' The processing of that stuff will take a while to happen while the CBP/ICE go thru the criminal illegal aliens first. 6-8 months I imagine. The good news is the GOP appears to have a spine about this legislation and I hope that we can get the judges in place to facilitate this next phase to process those illegal aliens next, swiftly, as the American people clearly desire:

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Democrats in battleground states and districts are breaking with the bulk of their party on immigration, as they believe that the positions of progressives and leaders of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus are out of touch with their voters. The rightward shift comes after Democrats got clobbered on the issue of immigration in the 2024 election, and lost Latino men to Trump.

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They got clobbered because they're out of touch, but NBC doesn't explain why they fell out of touch. It's because voters in all demos saw what Democrats do when they are in charge of the border and immigration enforcement, which is to ignore the former and refuse to do the latter. That's no exaggeration either; Democrats' compromise position for immigration was to allow 2500 illegal entries per day in exchange for a gauzy promise to maybe build the wall at some point in the future. That bill, which Democrats basically dictated to Republicans, only authorized spending enough money to build a whopping 14 miles of the wall.

Kamala Harris scolded Trump for not agreeing to Democrat terms on that bill. Harris also claimed that was the cause of the border crisis that only magically appeared two-plus years earlier when she and Biden took office. Voters kicked Kamala's rear end out of office, largely on that basis. Is it any wonder that Republicans have no interest in going back to Democrats for guidance now?

Passing this on reconciliation will be difficult, but not impossible. If Democrats want to help take credit for real border security and immigration enforcement, they can vote to pass it and take their share of the credit for its passage. But pardon us if we don't think Democrats have anything of value to add to fixing a problem they turned into a disaster with their previous ideas about the border and immigration.
Update: At the Free Press, Nellie Bowles indirectly explains how ludicrous this request is, in her usual humorous fashion:

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It turns out people are furious about the border. Nearly 90 percent of Americans have views that nearly 100 percent of newsrooms would find shocking and abhorrent. American views about immigration are so right-wing, I'm realizing I'm a liberal again. ...

Yes: 55 percent of Americans want all illegal immigrants deported. That is millions of people, many of whom have been here for decades, rounded up in an unprecedented population shift. This used to be considered an extremely radical position.

It turns out that Joe Biden's immigration policy was so unhinged, it made even normie liberals flip. Joe Biden's open border policyand the gaslighting his supporters performed to pretend there was no policy shiftdrove America en masse, like a migrant surge, to want extremely hardcore border control. Now everyone is a Texas border cop with some dip under their lip and some barbed wire in the truck. Suburban moms are seeing an Italian family and calling ICE. They're visiting Amish country and trying to send those butter churners back to Germany.

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It's always dangerous to have optimism about anything good coming out of the US congress, but…let's hope.

$1.6 billion a year for 'migration' via the UN to NGO's? Wow, it's worse than I would have even guessed.

Here’s exactly what to snip snip snip: https://t.co/EeccvWbOQB

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) January 25, 2025

FJB. This was all appropriated/programmed though via the US House and Senate. The same principled folks who voted against Hegseth for instance last night because he was not morally upstanding enough in their eyes to lead our many wars.

Check out this seditious video:

EXPOSED: Catholic Charities Coaching Illegals on How to Evade Immigration Authorities!

Watch this shocking video where Catholic Charities openly instructs illegals on how to dodge ICE, avoid answering questions, and game the system.

These tactics aren’t about "rights"—they're… pic.twitter.com/hfgJXfwsv2

— Amy Mek (@AmyMek) January 27, 2025

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This is outrageous, Catholic Charities should not be coaching illegals on how to evade immigration authorities, it's unacceptable and goes against the rule of law.

Their actions are undermining the efforts of ICE and putting national security at risk, we need to hold them accountable for their actions.

Trump was right to crack down on illegal immigration, and now with Kash Patel as FBI director, we can expect real action to be taken against those who aid and abet illegals.

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It's not just that the funding needs to be cut, but 'these people' need to be arrested and charged with aiding and abetting etc.

If this is an invasion then we should deport all illegal aliens who are men of military age. That would be the logical conclusion.

Catholic charities is a human smuggling operation and should be treated as such.

So is the U.N and our traitorous three institutions, Presidency, congress and the courts.

With the aid suspension today the NGO's who are the trafficking partners of the former Biden admin will start to feel this crunch immediately.

This is arguably the single most important aspect of Trump's funding freeze.

The immigration crisis isn't an accident. It's a well-oiled system, facilitated by powerful NGOs—and funded by your tax dollars.

By defunding the NGOs, Trump is crippling the entire system. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/OJs1GN0O3y

— Nate Hochman (@njhochman) January 28, 2025

And this critically included a stop-work order at State:

The NGOs were beside themselves. And for good reason—very few of these groups are self-sufficient. Most of them are sustained by the federal tax-dollar gravy train. The immigration crisis is being financed by your government—with your money.

Hence, their outraged statements: pic.twitter.com/KfxDJMtwg1

— Nate Hochman (@njhochman) January 28, 2025

They provide "humanitarian transportation" to ferry immigrants up to our border, waypoints with shelter and medical services along the way, Spanish-language maps showing the best route to the U.S., and legal services for immigrants to beat our immigration laws once they get here. pic.twitter.com/ZfuKr7gAIn

— Nate Hochman (@njhochman) January 28, 2025

Ten of these major immigration NGOs—known as VOLAGS ("Voluntary Agencies")—have contracts with the State Department's Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (PRM), which provides them with the funding to resettle migrants in the U.S.

These are the ten VOLAGS in question: pic.twitter.com/43lGcF7hEs

— Nate Hochman (@njhochman) January 28, 2025

Or take the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society—a group that we made an entire video about last year. (See below).

Biden DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas served on their board until taking a job in the Biden admin. Surprise, surprise—after he took office, their funding skyrocketed. https://t.co/NzH09TUNxV pic.twitter.com/7hwpgZps7S

— Nate Hochman (@njhochman) January 28, 2025

More at the thread.

DJT shuts the border within a week of being inaugurated. Strong. https://t.co/mKqJWAG883

— Chamath Palihapitiya (@chamath) January 29, 2025

This is what winning looks like, graphically.

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Trump's immigration "crackdown" is focused on arresting and deporting murderers, rapists, violent gang members, and other dangerous criminals who were being protected by sanctuary policies. If the Catholic Church is more concerned with harboring evil men than the safety of Christians in those communities, then the Catholic Church is as evil. Christianity is not a suicide pact.

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The Vatican is not really the `Catholic Church'. But it may be that you do have an evil Vatican -- its happened before.

Catholics have what are called corporal works of mercy. Feeding the hungry and caring for immigrants are a couple of examples.

The NGOs you mention carry out this ministry. As a Catholic, I'm not as concerned about the RCC or the NGOs- I am more concerned about what this will do to the people who are being helped by these NGOs.

Are there abuses? I'm sure you can post some videos, but there are also many more instances where they have made a difference.

End the trafficking, end the abuses. It's that simple. Help people where they are, if that is your calling.

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Catholics have what are called corporal works of mercy. Feeding the hungry and caring for immigrants are a couple of examples.

The NGOs you mention carry out this ministry. As a Catholic, I'm not as concerned about the RCC or the NGOs- I am more concerned about what this will do to the people who are being helped by these NGOs.

Are there abuses? I'm sure you can post some videos, but there are also many more instances where they have made a difference.

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My prayer every day.

Please God, drive all marxists, marxist sympathizers, and marxist enablers out of the Catholic Church. Amen.

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End the trafficking, end the abuses. It's that simple. Help people where they are, if that is your calling.

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Catholic Church and other dirty NGO's are trafficking humans funded by taxpayers. Nice job Joe.

And you didn't read through the links when boasting about your dutifully faithful charity. When 96 to 99 percent of the revenue from these organizations comes from the US government, it's not doing work to help based on the beliefs of the faithful, but the money (and derived profits for their leadership) from the taxpayer.

And human trafficking/the drug trade are not christian in any way, just as Joe Biden's personal Catholicism itself is a farcical joke.

And ETA, yes here is a video of deterrence working to prevent trafficking by these evil NGO's and gangs using almost exclusively tax dollars through hellscapes such as the Darien Gap:

🇺🇸🇨🇴 “America is deporting everyone. Trump sent the Army to the border.”

Deported Colombians back at home:

“Do not go illegally to America. Very very bad idea” pic.twitter.com/S3PSCbtZVq

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) January 29, 2025

"If you're a criminal, you'll be deported."

— Barack Obama, November 20, 2014

This is exactly what President Trump is doing right now, but Democrats still pretend to be outraged. pic.twitter.com/187AmTNLc4

— Christian Collins (@CollinsforTX) January 27, 2025

Americans who support sound immigration policy and deporting criminal aliens should do so unapologetically.

Ive seen the pictures of children crying as their parents are deported. Here’s a picture of my friend’s 3 year old, Maddie Hines, who was senselessly killed by an illegal criminal. He put this poor family through an entire trial, was unapologetic the whole time even when given… pic.twitter.com/VwZR3FV0kB

— Katie (@thebereanmillen) January 27, 2025

The way things are now, that decision is put in the hands of illegal aliens, who are here against our will and in violation of our laws or in the case of birth tourism in the hands of the Chinese government.

Apart from trivialities such as there being no law, no court ruling and no history to support treating kids born to illegals and tourists as "citizens," it's preposterous that America would cede control over who becomes a citizen to foreigners.

Give me a scenario it doesn't have to be true, give me any scenario where, immediately after the Civil War, Americans felt compelled to amend our Constitution so that, 100 years hence, a pregnant Mexican could run across the border, drop a kid, and that kid would be a citizen, entitled to all welfare and education benefits, who could then bring in six more relatives.

https://anncoulter.com/2025/01/30/600000-men-died-for-anchor-babies/