Logos Stick said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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one safe place said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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No way they repeal Obamacare. They might make some more tweaks but there is no way they will get all the R's behind a new plan. There are bigger issues that need to be addressed and that will take all of the political capital Trump and the R leadership can muster.

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Correct. Plus it is very hard to repeal or even massively change giveaway programs,

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Unfortunately this is the calculus that was used with Obamacare and other entitlement programs. Once they have been in place for a long time, a large majority of Americans end up supporting it and will strongly oppose any elimination of it.

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You're right about the large majority part. Even conservative friends of mine like being able to have their kids part of their insurance plans until they're 26.

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There is nothing to prevent inscos and companies from doing that on their own.

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Yet, until Obamacare, they didn't.

There's a lot of things they could do that people would appreciate, but for some reason, they don't.

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Why not make a law to cover them until they are 30 then? Or 35?

They didn't do it before because kids used to become adults, move out, go to work and get their own insurance.

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I agree. The coddling the Boomers and older Gen-Xers have done to their children has done more harm than good, in so many ways. I'm seeing "adults" get their degrees get good paying jobs with those degrees, and still not move out because mom and dad do everything for them.

It's pathetic what's becoming of that and younger generations.

WestAustinAg said:

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Just create a simple insurance plan for those that don't have coverage. Like catastrophic coverage only.

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Which is what Insurance is supposed to be. Trying to shoe horn it n as some sort of socialized health care was a disaster. Yet another Obama failure.

doubledog said:

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Has there been any entitlement program that the U.S. government ever canceled?

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The count is the same as any department ever established.

Logos Stick said:

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They are not exempt but have illegally worked around it. Cato has an article on it:

"Contrary to assurances and in violation of federal law, the Obama administration shielded lawmakers from an effective pay cut of up to $12,000 each by granting Congress several types of special treatment unavailable to the public. It deemed Congress eligible to participate in D.C.'s small-business exchange, though both federal and D.C. law prohibit it. That form of special treatment gave rise to another: It made Congress the only large employer in the country that can make tax-free contributions toward its employees' exchange-plan premiums. The act of issuing those payments conflicts with other federal laws, and bestows yet another form of special treatment on Congress: Members of Congress and their staff are the only group of federal workers who receive FEHBP premium contributions for non-FEHBP coverage"

https://www.cato.org/commentary/congress-illegal-egregious-obamacare-exemption-explained

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Why are Congresspeople so f'ing greedy?

Isn't the millions of dollars from lobbyists and insider trading enough so you don't have to stiff the taxpayer for an extra $12k?

WestAustinAg said:

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Just create a simple insurance plan for those that don't have coverage. Like catastrophic coverage only.

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While I kinda agree with that, government will grow that coverage year over year. Just like all government programs.

Logos Stick said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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No way they repeal Obamacare. They might make some more tweaks but there is no way they will get all the R's behind a new plan. There are bigger issues that need to be addressed and that will take all of the political capital Trump and the R leadership can muster.

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Correct. Plus it is very hard to repeal or even massively change giveaway programs,

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Unfortunately this is the calculus that was used with Obamacare and other entitlement programs. Once they have been in place for a long time, a large majority of Americans end up supporting it and will strongly oppose any elimination of it.

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The vast majority of citizens don't benefit from Obamacare. 90% don't have coverage at all or get coverage through their company, not the exchange. It cost almost $150 billion in taxpayer subsidies this year. It's nothing like Medicare or SS as far as entitlements. It can easily be replaced for most of those on the exchange by allowing inexpensive, catastrophic
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First, how do you know it won't be repealed, Trump ran on the idea he saved Obamacare in his first term and few senator and congressmen I followed even mentioned it. His quote from the debate with Harris

"Obamacare was lousy health care. Always was. It's not very good today. … I had a choice to make when I was president: Do I save it and make it as good as it can be? Never going to be great. Or do I let it rot? And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away," "And I saved it. I did the right thing."

As for your comment, if that was the way it was decided, we would dump Medicaid and Welfare since a large majority of Americans will never use them but I think it is safe to say those won't even be raised as an area to cut over the next four years.

I am not defending Obamacare, just saying anyone thinking it will be repealed will be seriously disappointed.