Because they are unconstitutional. And any teacher with a brain who could read would understand that.

Also,

Please come back when you have solutions that WILL help. Complaining without providing a solution is just whining. Your "solution" is to disarm the populace. What are you going to do about common sense criminal control then?

one safe place said:

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Travelag08 said:

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Yes and the 2nd amendment was written in 1791, so life is much different now.

And yes, more government might be a good thing in this scenario.

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More government is never a good thing.

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And no one should trust any government enough to give your own protection away and hope they do the job for you. Who knows better what the Second Amendment means than the Founding Fathers?

Travelag08 said:

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So its the school system that indoctrinates children?

As a former teacher, if I wanted to indoctrinate a child, I would have started with good manners and proper hygiene for kids. And maybe on a good day, I could teach them to love reading.

Again, these solutions may not help, but we haven't even tried!!!!! Many people want common sense gun control laws, and why are they not passed?

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Who's common sense? That is always the problem with asinine statements like this. No thanks.

Travelag08 said:

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Having kids carry a bullet proof backpack? That should not be a solution at all!!!

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Don't confuse an 'ought' and an 'is'.

Kids shouldn't have to carry bulletproof backpacks. Shouldn't.

But evil people exist and no amount of gun safes will stop motivated evil people.

I'd rather my kids be protected while I ***** about 'they shouldn't have to do this' than bury my kids.

Edit: also, murder is illegal. So what crime is an evil person willing to commit murder not also willing to commit? Registering guns? Murderers will be deterred because of a gun registry?

Travelag08 said:

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Yes and the 2nd amendment was written in 1791, so life is much different now.

And yes, more government might be a good thing in this scenario.

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Governments can impose their will on citizens. How is life much different now? Human nature is human nature. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Always has been this way, always will be. History is replete with examples of this from before 1791 to the present.

Lolz

You gotta be trolling

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No Spin Ag said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Do all murderers parents need to be held accountable for the deeds of their children?

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If their children are minors and live in their home, yes.

Again, if we're holding parents accountable for their kids when their kids skip school, we sure AF can hold parents accountable for their kid murdering people.

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What about knives, cars, chainsaws etc? Just guns? If she has stolen mom's Hyundai and mowed over 20 of her classmates at a school parade or gathering, nothing happens to her parents?

Also, should we hold people liable if a friend or attendee at a party steals a gun from a closet and goes on a rampage?

Just seems like a very slippery slope, unless you can show that the parent GAVE them that gun, or that there was some other sort of extreme negligence or something.

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We can go "what if/bout?" ad infinitum. I'd recommend doing individual threads for each.

As for this, my stance is clear.

If you (generally speaking) are for holding parents accountable when their kids skip school, then it's hard to see how holding parents accountable to their children committing murder.

Or, one can just say no parent is responsible for anything their children do and cal it a day. At least then there'd be consistency.

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In the world you want to live in, should punishing parents for a crime they did not commit stop there? Or should the grandparents bear some responsibility for raising the parents who raised the child committing the crime?

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If they're alive, why not. And if the great grandparents are around too, them too. I mean, why stop with just one generation.

Travelag08 said:

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Yes and the 2nd amendment was written in 1791, so life is much different now.

And yes, more government might be a good thing in this scenario.

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If idiots were ever to get rid of the second amendment you can be sure there would be more government and it would be much, much more intrusive.

If the second amendment was ever abolished or gun confiscation was passed then you likely have the next Civil War

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Travelag08 said:

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So its the school system that indoctrinates children?

As a former teacher, if I wanted to indoctrinate a child, I would have started with good manners and proper hygiene for kids. And maybe on a good day, I could teach them to love reading.

Again, these solutions may not help, but we haven't even tried!!!!! Many people want common sense gun control laws, and why are they not passed?

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Who's common sense? That is always the problem with asinine statements like this. No thanks.

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So, in all fairness, and to be clear I do not agree with his stance on gun control at all, but the teacher's indoctrination is a load of ***** That was probably his main point.

Teachers have very little to do with things like this. Yes there are exceptions but 99.9% of teachers are just trying their best to teach their subject. That's like porn in the library. It's just a political talking point that has little to do with reality.

I would be really, really, really surprised if any of this gals teachers had any kind of impact on her and probably didn't have much of a chance. These kids get their motivation from their family and friends and a lot of time social media

Rapier108 said:

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A spanking is not a beating.

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But it is though….

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The problem is too many white parents are afraid to spank their kids. This problem afflicts mostly white parents. Not black, asian or latinos. White parents think that they are being modern and progressive and civilized by sparing the rod. Talk to any Asian kid, their parents would have spanked them when they were kids and straightened them out at the right age and focused them on academics which leads them to going to Harvard, Stanford and MIT and becoming CEOs. I will wager thatr Vivek Ramaswamy's parents beat the sheet out of him when he was little. Not as abuse, but to parent.
White dads are too scared to discipline their kids these days, they want to buy their love with iPhones and iPads and the kids fall behind other kids with involved parents leading to frustration and anger. Some erupt like this kid.

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There was actually a fair number of school shootings in the 70's & 80's. There just wasn't money to be made from promoting the division they cause like there is now.

jopatura said:

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There was actually a fair number of school shootings in the 70's & 80's. There just wasn't money to be made from promoting the division they cause like there is now.

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Maybe it should be required such reporting is done free. Maybe interest in promoting or covering it would evaporate? Ideally it would become a loss leader.

Travelag08 said:

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So its the school system that indoctrinates children?

As a former teacher, if I wanted to indoctrinate a child, I would have started with good manners and proper hygiene for kids. And maybe on a good day, I could teach them to love reading.

Again, these solutions may not help, but we haven't even tried!!!!! Many people want common sense gun control laws, and why are they not passed?

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1) What are these "common sense gun control laws" that you're talking about?

2) And how would these "common sense gun control laws" have prevented this school shooting?

Call it what you want, but you're still wrong.

A swat on the butt is not a beating despite what you think.

Ag with kids said:

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Travelag08 said:

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So its the school system that indoctrinates children?

As a former teacher, if I wanted to indoctrinate a child, I would have started with good manners and proper hygiene for kids. And maybe on a good day, I could teach them to love reading.

Again, these solutions may not help, but we haven't even tried!!!!! Many people want common sense gun control laws, and why are they not passed?

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1) What are these "common sense gun control laws" that you're talking about?

2) And how would these "common sense gun control laws" have prevented this school shooting?

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This always comes up when this kind of thing happens.

Despite the fact that it often ends up sounding like only two scenarios much prevent it:

A) Return to a blunter form of commitment of the mentally deranged to asylums

B) There is a guard or sentry type present ever-ready to just gun down the proverbial shooter.

Other than that, "preventives" seems less than obvious, and the most useless one being laws for guns to stop the lawless.

One could add (C) but its not a preventive so much as a likely partial cure:

C) Completely remove the profit in covering shootings for the media. Its pro bono. Maybe they would lose interest in hyping it so much or creating copycats. Also culprit gets a nameless disposal. With "notoriety" no longer that easy to get this way, might help.

It's not just ad revenue.

Gun makers sell more when their audience thinks the 2nd amendment is threatened. I would not be surprised if there's a marketing agency who pays bots to drum up arguments for and against the 2nd amendment online.

School security is a Billion dollar industry now. There are some rich CEO's laughing all the way to the bank when another security breach means additional hardening will be legislated.

David Hogg isn't poor and his whole schtick is school shootings.

Fact is people get rich every time one happens, especially when they tend to rewire history like Columbine, or Sandy Hook, or Uvalde.

BurnetAggie99 said:

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If the second amendment was ever abolished or gun confiscation was passed then you likely have the next Civil War

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Certainly.

'You're going to die for this cause?'

'Oh, someone is.'

Esteban du Plantier said:

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BurnetAggie99 said:

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If the second amendment was ever abolished or gun confiscation was passed then you likely have the next Civil War

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Certainly.

'You're going to die for this cause?'

'Oh, someone is.'

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That is the point of no return. Yes, people will fight and die on that hill. You're silly if you think otherwise.

Baseball Is Life said:

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Esteban du Plantier said:

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BurnetAggie99 said:

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If the second amendment was ever abolished or gun confiscation was passed then you likely have the next Civil War

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Certainly.

'You're going to die for this cause?'

'Oh, someone is.'

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That is the point of no return. Yes, people will fight and die on that hill. You're silly if you think otherwise.

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I assume I'll survive and I will probably like the guys that do to.

Esteban du Plantier said:

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BurnetAggie99 said:

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If the second amendment was ever abolished or gun confiscation was passed then you likely have the next Civil War

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Certainly.

'You're going to die for this cause?'

'Oh, someone is.'

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You're an arrogant, know nothing liberal, just like they all are. You think because we've taken some of your crap, that we're going to take all of it.

What are you going to do about the stuff that you want to enforce? "Oh, someone is?"

I promise, **** is coming to a head. You can see it in the last election. People are sick and tired of of the liberal BS, and I can promise that your delusion will continue to be met with reality. You could be drowning in the water, and still be deluded, but the consequences will bear fruit now.

I hope you have a miserable four years. Actually, I hope we get back to MAGA, people continue to reject liberalism and we just live a lifetime of prosperity. Either way, I hope you get right.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Because they are unconstitutional. And any teacher with a brain who could read would understand that.

Also,

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Now we know exactly which degrees need be axed immediately and forever....

Baseball Is Life said:

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Esteban du Plantier said:

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BurnetAggie99 said:

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If the second amendment was ever abolished or gun confiscation was passed then you likely have the next Civil War

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Certainly.

'You're going to die for this cause?'

'Oh, someone is.'

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You're an arrogant, know nothing liberal, just like they all are. You think because we've taken some of your crap, that we're going to take all of it.

What are you going to do about the stuff that you want to enforce? "Oh, someone is?"

I promise, **** is coming to a head. You can see it in the last election. People are sick and tired of of the liberal BS, and I can promise that your delusion will continue to be met with reality. You could be drowning in the water, and still be deluded, but the consequences will bear fruit now.

I hope you have a miserable four years. Actually, I hope we get back to MAGA, people continue to reject liberalism and we just live a lifetime of prosperity. Either way, I hope you get right.

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Lol.

You misattributed a couple words and I'm some terrible liberal?

Two of you didn't get it, sorry.

In my joke it was the liberal questioning my resolve. It was the response, the conservative clarifying his position.

Ag with kids said:

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Travelag08 said:

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So its the school system that indoctrinates children?

As a former teacher, if I wanted to indoctrinate a child, I would have started with good manners and proper hygiene for kids. And maybe on a good day, I could teach them to love reading.

Again, these solutions may not help, but we haven't even tried!!!!! Many people want common sense gun control laws, and why are they not passed?

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1) What are these "common sense gun control laws" that you're talking about?

2) And how would these "common sense gun control laws" have prevented this school shooting?

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3. Why didn't the Democrats pass anything when they controlled all branches of government?