TikTok ban on Jan 19,2025

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This isn't a chat board for parasites?!
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TikTok's time is limited. Just ban it and be done. Here is a link that quotes the briefs from the 14 AGs suing them over harm. I've quoted a few paragraphs to summarize the longer article.

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Our evidence comes mostly from research done by those 14 Attorneys General. Some of their briefs have been posted online for the world to see. The briefs include hundreds of quotations from internal reports, memos, Slack conversations, and public statements in which executives and employees of TikTok acknowledge and discuss the harms that their company is causing to children. We organize the evidence into five clusters of harms:

Addictive, compulsive, and problematic use
Depression, anxiety, body dysmorphia, self-harm, and suicide
Porn, violence, and drugs
Sextortion, CSAM, and sexual exploitation


TikTok knows about underage use and takes little action
We show that company insiders were aware of multiple widespread and serious harms, and that they were often acting under the orders of company leadership to maximize engagement regardless of the harm to children. As one internal report put it:

"Compulsive usage correlates with a slew of negative mental health effects like loss of analytical skills, memory formation, contextual thinking, conversational depth, empathy, and increased anxiety," in addition to "interfer[ing] with essential personal responsibilities like sufficient sleep, work/school responsibilities, and connecting with loved ones."1

Although these harms are known, the company often chooses not to act. For example, one TikTok employee explained,

"[w]hen we make changes, we make sure core metrics aren't affected." This is because "[l]eaders don't buy into problems" with unhealthy and compulsive usage, and work to address it is "not a priority for any other team."2

Although the evidence below is all publicly available, no one we know of has compiled and combined direct quotations from company insiders and internal reports across multiple alleged harms. We think this compilation gives vital information to parents, who might want some insight into the character and business practices of a company that owns much of their children's attention and influences their social development.3 Parents might want to know that TikTok knows that its parental controls are ineffective and rarely used:

In another internal document, TikTok admitted that "user research" shows that "[f]amilies do not use Family Pairing" and that "Family Pairing doesn't address parents' top concerns," including "inappropriate content, offensive interactions, and lack of privacy.4

And even if parental controls worked and parents chose to shield their kids from bad stuff, they can't because TikTok's content moderation is poor. An internal study found that the "leakage rate" (of bad stuff getting past moderators) is as follows: 35.71% of "Normalization of Pedophilia" content; 33.33% of "Minor Sexual Solicitation" content; 39.13% of "Minor Physical Abuse" content; 30.36% of "leading minors off platform"; 50% of "Glorification of Minor Sexual Assault"; and 100% of "Fetishizing Minors."5

For those who think that social media is relatively harmless, we urge you to read the quotations and internal studies described below, in which employees of TikTok discuss the vast and varied harms that they are causing to literally millions of American children each year.6




https://www.afterbabel.com/p/industrial-scale-harm-tiktok?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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TXAggie2011 said:

samurai_science said:

Is it really a Chinese owner, I think majority ownership is Singapore.
I don't know the exact ownership mix for Bytedance, but this isn't strictly about ownership. Bytedance is a company based in Beijing and is run by Chinese persons.

The Justices, as Sotomayor just noted, see it is as axiomatic that the Chinese government has its fingers on Bytedance.
Using Sotomeyer's axiomatic logic, we could ban any company within the US that is partially owned by foreign governments.
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Im Gipper said:




It's not surprising Trump support was huge on Tik Tok. I don't know why anyone wants it banned at this point. It served as a good alternative that allowed for a lot of content that was banned on other sites.
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AggieDruggist89 said:

Where will I now get the latest news???
F16, of course
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AGC said:

TikTok's time is limited. Just ban it and be done. Here is a link that quotes the briefs from the 14 AGs suing them over harm. I've quoted a few paragraphs to summarize the longer article.

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Our evidence comes mostly from research done by those 14 Attorneys General. Some of their briefs have been posted online for the world to see. The briefs include hundreds of quotations from internal reports, memos, Slack conversations, and public statements in which executives and employees of TikTok acknowledge and discuss the harms that their company is causing to children. We organize the evidence into five clusters of harms:

Addictive, compulsive, and problematic use
Depression, anxiety, body dysmorphia, self-harm, and suicide
Porn, violence, and drugs
Sextortion, CSAM, and sexual exploitation


TikTok knows about underage use and takes little action
We show that company insiders were aware of multiple widespread and serious harms, and that they were often acting under the orders of company leadership to maximize engagement regardless of the harm to children. As one internal report put it:

"Compulsive usage correlates with a slew of negative mental health effects like loss of analytical skills, memory formation, contextual thinking, conversational depth, empathy, and increased anxiety," in addition to "interfer[ing] with essential personal responsibilities like sufficient sleep, work/school responsibilities, and connecting with loved ones."1

Although these harms are known, the company often chooses not to act. For example, one TikTok employee explained,

"[w]hen we make changes, we make sure core metrics aren't affected." This is because "[l]eaders don't buy into problems" with unhealthy and compulsive usage, and work to address it is "not a priority for any other team."2

Although the evidence below is all publicly available, no one we know of has compiled and combined direct quotations from company insiders and internal reports across multiple alleged harms. We think this compilation gives vital information to parents, who might want some insight into the character and business practices of a company that owns much of their children's attention and influences their social development.3 Parents might want to know that TikTok knows that its parental controls are ineffective and rarely used:

In another internal document, TikTok admitted that "user research" shows that "[f]amilies do not use Family Pairing" and that "Family Pairing doesn't address parents' top concerns," including "inappropriate content, offensive interactions, and lack of privacy.4

And even if parental controls worked and parents chose to shield their kids from bad stuff, they can't because TikTok's content moderation is poor. An internal study found that the "leakage rate" (of bad stuff getting past moderators) is as follows: 35.71% of "Normalization of Pedophilia" content; 33.33% of "Minor Sexual Solicitation" content; 39.13% of "Minor Physical Abuse" content; 30.36% of "leading minors off platform"; 50% of "Glorification of Minor Sexual Assault"; and 100% of "Fetishizing Minors."5

For those who think that social media is relatively harmless, we urge you to read the quotations and internal studies described below, in which employees of TikTok discuss the vast and varied harms that they are causing to literally millions of American children each year.6




https://www.afterbabel.com/p/industrial-scale-harm-tiktok?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Couldn't you say those things about pretty much any social media platform?
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Nanomachines son said:

Im Gipper said:




It's not surprising Trump support was huge on Tik Tok. I don't know why anyone wants it banned at this point. It served as a good alternative that allowed for a lot of content that was banned on other sites.


It's CCP spyware. America first. If they divest from the CCP I don't have a problem with it.
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No. Check leakage rates and moderation at the link.
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Teslag said:

Nanomachines son said:

Im Gipper said:




It's not surprising Trump support was huge on Tik Tok. I don't know why anyone wants it banned at this point. It served as a good alternative that allowed for a lot of content that was banned on other sites.


It's CCP spyware. America first. If they divest from the CCP I don't have a problem with it.


I'd rather it be controlled by China than standard tech companies controlled by globalists.
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Negative. Communism is always worse than anything. It's probably the most evil thing devised by man.
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AGC said:

TikTok's time is limited. Just ban it and be done. Here is a link that quotes the briefs from the 14 AGs suing them over harm. I've quoted a few paragraphs to summarize the longer article.

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Our evidence comes mostly from research done by those 14 Attorneys General. Some of their briefs have been posted online for the world to see. The briefs include hundreds of quotations from internal reports, memos, Slack conversations, and public statements in which executives and employees of TikTok acknowledge and discuss the harms that their company is causing to children. We organize the evidence into five clusters of harms:

Addictive, compulsive, and problematic use
Depression, anxiety, body dysmorphia, self-harm, and suicide
Porn, violence, and drugs
Sextortion, CSAM, and sexual exploitation


TikTok knows about underage use and takes little action
We show that company insiders were aware of multiple widespread and serious harms, and that they were often acting under the orders of company leadership to maximize engagement regardless of the harm to children. As one internal report put it:

"Compulsive usage correlates with a slew of negative mental health effects like loss of analytical skills, memory formation, contextual thinking, conversational depth, empathy, and increased anxiety," in addition to "interfer[ing] with essential personal responsibilities like sufficient sleep, work/school responsibilities, and connecting with loved ones."1

Although these harms are known, the company often chooses not to act. For example, one TikTok employee explained,

"[w]hen we make changes, we make sure core metrics aren't affected." This is because "[l]eaders don't buy into problems" with unhealthy and compulsive usage, and work to address it is "not a priority for any other team."2

Although the evidence below is all publicly available, no one we know of has compiled and combined direct quotations from company insiders and internal reports across multiple alleged harms. We think this compilation gives vital information to parents, who might want some insight into the character and business practices of a company that owns much of their children's attention and influences their social development.3 Parents might want to know that TikTok knows that its parental controls are ineffective and rarely used:

In another internal document, TikTok admitted that "user research" shows that "[f]amilies do not use Family Pairing" and that "Family Pairing doesn't address parents' top concerns," including "inappropriate content, offensive interactions, and lack of privacy.4

And even if parental controls worked and parents chose to shield their kids from bad stuff, they can't because TikTok's content moderation is poor. An internal study found that the "leakage rate" (of bad stuff getting past moderators) is as follows: 35.71% of "Normalization of Pedophilia" content; 33.33% of "Minor Sexual Solicitation" content; 39.13% of "Minor Physical Abuse" content; 30.36% of "leading minors off platform"; 50% of "Glorification of Minor Sexual Assault"; and 100% of "Fetishizing Minors."5

For those who think that social media is relatively harmless, we urge you to read the quotations and internal studies described below, in which employees of TikTok discuss the vast and varied harms that they are causing to literally millions of American children each year.6




https://www.afterbabel.com/p/industrial-scale-harm-tiktok?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I see lots of harm in our children and teens via tik tok. It is constantly pushing gender crud, anti-vax stuff, etc. I'm convinced they are trying to target and cripple our younger generation through a return of preventable illness and sterilization of large portions of the young population.
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I get sent TicToc videos and links to stories on X ... I don't have the appa / an account for either.

Oh, well ... I'll continue surviving.
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I see lots of harm in our children and teens via tik tok. It is constantly pushing gender crud, anti-vax stuff, etc. I'm convinced they are trying to target and cripple our younger generation through a return of preventable illness and sterilization of large portions of the young population.
Ya my ballz shrank due to the 'riods, but at least I dont have any aluminum in my veins from vaccines. /RKF, (probably)
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If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?
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The Supreme Court hearing

https://www.youtube.com/live/CbIL9EvDykQ?si=3zfKXxnOrbun73Qd
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Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Some are in bed with China.

Who specifically you referring to?
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Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.
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AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.
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BMX Bandit said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Some are in bed with China.

Who specifically you referring to?

There are tons at all levels of government, including Donald Trump.
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AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.
Feds are coming to ban F16 next
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Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.


Tell me you don't understand addiction and TikTok without saying you don't understand addiction and TikTok.
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Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Politicians, by their nature, are natural liars and hypocrites. It's not surprising that even those who called for a ban on tiktok would use that which they say is bad.

Again, they're liars and hypocrites.
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Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.


I think our government should 100% protect us from a foreign communist enemy.
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Teslag said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.


I think our government should 100% protect us from a foreign communist enemy.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.
No. But tic-tok is controlled by the CCP. And damn straight our nation needs to protect its people from cyber aggression from China. Just yesterday they hacked critical gov systems. There is practically a cyber war between our nations. Tic-tok is an element in that war.

Wake the F* up.
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AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.


Tell me you don't understand addiction and TikTok without saying you don't understand addiction and TikTok.

So you want Daddy government to protect us from ourselves. Got it.
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ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.
No. But tic-tok is controlled by the CCP. And damn straight our nation needs to protect its people from cyber aggression from China. Just yesterday they hacked critical gov systems. There is practically a cyber war between our nations. Tic-tok is an element in that war.

Wake the F* up.

It must be a real threat when the POTUS has an account.

Wake up. You're being lied to.
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Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.
No. But tic-tok is controlled by the CCP. And damn straight our nation needs to protect its people from cyber aggression from China. Just yesterday they hacked critical gov systems. There is practically a cyber war between our nations. Tic-tok is an element in that war.

Wake the F* up.

It must be a real threat when the POTUS has an account.

Wake up. You're being lied to.
Ha what I am guessing is you supplement or generate your income or use it as an important advertising tool in your business. That is the only case where you would be remotely justified in your defense of this Chinese trash.
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We all know government prohibitions always result in the best outcomes
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If TikTok was genuinely a threat, it would have been banned YEARS ago. And you definitely wouldn't have politicians with personal TikTok accounts. Especially Donald Trump.

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ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.
No. But tic-tok is controlled by the CCP. And damn straight our nation needs to protect its people from cyber aggression from China. Just yesterday they hacked critical gov systems. There is practically a cyber war between our nations. Tic-tok is an element in that war.

Wake the F* up.

It must be a real threat when the POTUS has an account.

Wake up. You're being lied to.
Ha what I am guessing is you supplement or generate your income or use it as an important advertising tool in your business. That is the only case where you would be remotely justified in your defense of this Chinese trash.

Nice try, I don't need to supplement my income. Donald Trump doesn't even have a problem with TikTok.

Again, if TikTok was a genuine threat, it would have been banned YEARS ago.
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Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?
Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.
I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.
No. But tic-tok is controlled by the CCP. And damn straight our nation needs to protect its people from cyber aggression from China. Just yesterday they hacked critical gov systems. There is practically a cyber war between our nations. Tic-tok is an element in that war.

Wake the F* up.
It must be a real threat when the POTUS has an account.

Wake up. You're being lied to.
Ha what I am guessing is you supplement or generate your income or use it as an important advertising tool in your business. That is the only case where you would be remotely justified in your defense of this Chinese trash.
Nice try, I don't need to supplement my income. Donald Trump doesn't even have a problem with TikTok.

Again, if TikTok was a genuine threat, it would have been banned YEARS ago.
Well.....

Trump tried to effectively ban TikTok via an Executive Order in 2020. It got blocked by a Court and Biden later rescinded the Executive Order.
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Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.
No. But tic-tok is controlled by the CCP. And damn straight our nation needs to protect its people from cyber aggression from China. Just yesterday they hacked critical gov systems. There is practically a cyber war between our nations. Tic-tok is an element in that war.

Wake the F* up.

It must be a real threat when the POTUS has an account.

Wake up. You're being lied to.
Ha what I am guessing is you supplement or generate your income or use it as an important advertising tool in your business. That is the only case where you would be remotely justified in your defense of this Chinese trash.

Nice try, I don't need to supplement my income. Donald Trump doesn't even have a problem with TikTok.

Again, if TikTok was a genuine threat, it would have been banned YEARS ago.
They figured out how to secure Obama's blackberry enough to let him keep it. I wonder if Canada will be enough of an economic and national security threat to merit banning TD Bank, Shopify, and Hootsuite
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Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.
No. But tic-tok is controlled by the CCP. And damn straight our nation needs to protect its people from cyber aggression from China. Just yesterday they hacked critical gov systems. There is practically a cyber war between our nations. Tic-tok is an element in that war.

Wake the F* up.

It must be a real threat when the POTUS has an account.

Wake up. You're being lied to.
Ha what I am guessing is you supplement or generate your income or use it as an important advertising tool in your business. That is the only case where you would be remotely justified in your defense of this Chinese trash.

Nice try, I don't need to supplement my income. Donald Trump doesn't even have a problem with TikTok.

Again, if TikTok was a genuine threat, it would have been banned YEARS ago.
Alrighty then. You get your porn from Tic-Tok got it.
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Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

ttu_85 said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

AGC said:

Wyoming Aggie said:

If TikTok is genuinely a threat then why do politicians have TikTok accounts?


Read the article I posted all the way to the end. Highly captive / addicted audience. Note that users would take $50 to delete their accounts, or conversely, if everyone they knew got rid of theirs too, they'd actually pay to be rid of it. You've got a good product if your customers hate it but can't quit.

I'm not sure what you're driving at. So you think the government should protect us from ourselves? That's a big **** no from me.
No. But tic-tok is controlled by the CCP. And damn straight our nation needs to protect its people from cyber aggression from China. Just yesterday they hacked critical gov systems. There is practically a cyber war between our nations. Tic-tok is an element in that war.

Wake the F* up.

It must be a real threat when the POTUS has an account.

Wake up. You're being lied to.
Ha what I am guessing is you supplement or generate your income or use it as an important advertising tool in your business. That is the only case where you would be remotely justified in your defense of this Chinese trash.

Nice try, I don't need to supplement my income. Donald Trump doesn't even have a problem with TikTok.

Again, if TikTok was a genuine threat, it would have been banned YEARS ago.


Trump was one of the first to really go hard at tiktok when he was in office the first time. Any idea what caused him to no longer see the Chinese company as a threat?
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
 
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