TikTok ban on Jan 19,2025

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hph6203 said:

The platform imposed censorship on the people and in order to accommodate the censorship the people adapt new language as a game/joke rather than call out the censorship itself. TikTok is the origin, or at least the popularization, of Zoomers using the term unalive in place of murder and suicide. It made people sound like cold hearted idiots.


Yeah I was meaning to contrast what you posted and the poster above you who said it was one of the most free speech platforms out there. That seems false based on what you are saying thus my comment that both can't be true.

But I don't know. Never been on tik tok. Just enjoying the meltdown from those upset about its closure.
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You're talking changing a few words though, not entire topics. Meta will de-platform you, shadow ban you, get rid of your followers, etc for posting about certain topics, even if you are just asking a question.

I stand by what I said. Much more free speech on TikTok than on any other platform.
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It's gone

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It's shut down now
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Nah.
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Premium said:

It's shut down now


You can't open it up?
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I can open it up. Maybe I haven't fully closed it out though.
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01agtx said:

This affects conservatives almost as much as it does the libs. There are plenty of young, conservative content creators who helped Trump win the election.
That's one reason why very agnostic about this ban. And certain important conservatives voices are against it.
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Meta sells your data to every 3rd party who wants to buy it. The Chinese get your data.

Is that really what this is about?

I'm not so sure.

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Seriously, I'm more worried about the Chinese owning hundreds of thousands of acres of American farm land than some app
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Yes. Rand Paul created an account today and spoke out against the ban. Lots of conservative voices getting muted today. It's not good. Puts all the control back in Meta's hands.
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will25u said:

Small 90 day reprieve. Gen Z will be so happy.


Trump likes TikTok. I'd bet they figure something out to keep it afloat.
Just gotta execute
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Still works for me
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Good riddance
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nai06 said:

Still works for me


im sorry
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It's gone- if you close the app you get the death notice

It's a powerful app that actually won trump the presidency

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01agtx said:

Yes. Rand Paul created an account today and spoke out against the ban. Lots of conservative voices getting muted today. It's not good. Puts all the control back in Meta's hands.


This dude loves him some CCP spyware
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So is this where everyone praises Biden for signing the ban into law right?
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01agtx said:

You're talking changing a few words though, not entire topics. Meta will de-platform you, shadow ban you, get rid of your followers, etc for posting about certain topics, even if you are just asking a question.

I stand by what I said. Much more free speech on TikTok than on any other platform.
I'll clarify my disagreement. Why these types of platforms allow you to say something is as important as whether or not they allow you to say it. I don't agree that they are the most hands off social media platform for one, but I also don't believe for a second that the platform holder allows the discourse it does allow because they have a principled stand for free speech. They are owned by a corporation that is owned by a country that has very much demonstrated that free speech is not on their list of principles.

Why does the "why" matter? Because you are not talking about walking into a crowd of individuals and listening to disparate opinions on topics. You have a conductor at the top raising and lowering voices based upon their own designs. Meaning if I want to create an epidemic of self diagnosed mental health problems I raise discussions of mental health struggles. If I want to upset people about immigration (favorable or unfavorable) I raise those voices. Gender confusion? You got it. Anti capitalist sentiment/pro-China sentiment. You betcha.

By allowing anyone to say anything I gain the capacity to craft a reality that may not actually exist, but can force it into reality by normalizing it for people through exposure. How long does the norm TikTok user spend on the app in a week compared to the amount of time they engage in discussion with friends, family or colleagues? Likely longer on the app than they do conversing with any individual in their life and the people they interact with most are likewise spending more time on the app then conversing with anyone else.

When you're talking about a foreign (some might say hostile) entity possessing that power of attention over the mind's of a generation it becomes more than merely allowing people to express themselves, it becomes their capacity to influence.

Log in to X and see how many TikToks of ******ed Americans there are posting about how the norm Chinese person is more prosperous and taken care of than the norm American and ask yourself if TikTok would allow a counter narrative to formulate about their human rights abuses, racism, and phony economy.
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I understand what you are saying and understand how social media works. I'm curious if you have a TikTok or instagram account. They are two very different apps and unless you have both, you are coming at it from a theoretical perspective.

ETA: We don't have to agree but to me, getting rid of TikTok and keeping pornhub and only fans is asinine and makes no sense. This was about censorship, which I do not agree with.
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Are pornhub and Onlyfans tools of the CCP?
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Instagram and TikTok are not the only social media apps. I don't use either because they're both primarily brain rotting junk. I'm not gung ho on a TikTok ban, I am ambivalent, but arguing it's a free speech platform is silly. Again, try to start an account that focuses primarily on pointing out the human rights abuses and difficult circumstances many Chinese actually live in and see how long it survives.

What I will say unequivocally is that if we are going to engage with China then the terms have to be equitable. In order for a U.S. corporation to engage in business in China the corporation has to attach itself to a domestic corporation in a 50-50 profit splitting scheme, and China would NEVER allow Instagram, WhatsApp, Snapchat, X, Facebook, or Google operate in their borders either independently or even with a partnership.

They can kiss my "A" on being upset about TikTok being required to sell their U.S. business to a U.S. entity or believing it's a move of the censorship regime rather than an equitable response to their practices. Free exchange goes both ways or it's not free exchange.
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hph6203 said:

Instagram and TikTok are not the only social media apps. I don't use either because they're both primarily brain rotting junk. I'm not gung ho on a TikTok ban, I am ambivalent, but arguing it's a free speech platform is silly. Again, try to start an account that focuses primarily on pointing out the human rights abuses and difficult circumstances many Chinese actually live in and see how long it survives.

What I will say unequivocally is that if we are going to engage with China then the terms have to be equitable. In order for a U.S. corporation to engage in business in China the corporation has to attach itself to a domestic corporation in a 50-50 profit splitting scheme, and China would NEVER allow Instagram, WhatsApp, Snapchat, X, Facebook, or Google operate in their borders either independently or even with a partnership.

They can kiss my "A" on being upset about TikTok being required to sell their U.S. business to a U.S. entity or believing it's a move of the censorship regime rather than an equitable response to their practices. Free exchange goes both ways or it's not free exchange.
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One of the best takes yet

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fc2112 said:

I am highly indifferent to this ban.

I will say this to any doubters - my defense contractor employer put out notice a few years ago that if we had this app installed on our phone, we were NOT allowed to bring into work - AT ALL. Not even to leave in our cars.

Our cybersecurity analysts had determined the threat was too great. And we employee some of the best cybersecurity experts on the planet.
I work for the TAMU system.

We can't have TikTok on our person phones if we also use the phone to access TAMU email/Teams/etc.
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Has the world stopped yet, or was this ban overhyped?
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doubledog said:

Has the world stopped yet, or was this ban overhyped?


Not overhyped. Commie users are going thru withdrawal
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Sad to see so many simping for the Chicoms!

Look, if you think the divestiture law (it's not a ban) is bad, we can agree to disagree. It's a valid position.

But when you start spreading the propaganda of "they all do this tracking" or "Muh free speech" or "private company" you are just acting as a vessel of Beijing in their lies!



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The Fall Guy said:

doubledog said:

Has the world stopped yet, or was this ban overhyped?


Not overhyped. Commie users are going thru withdrawal


Such a moronic take -
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Far less moronic than the "tiktok won Trump the election" silliness some claim.

Tons of libs are pulling their hair out of this. That's a fact. The Fall Guy is right. Looks like it it close to home for you.

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This tiktok ban is a win for legacy media and those who control it. If you've never used TikTok, then you don't understand it. It's not like other social media apps.
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I mean Trump says as much, but you know what would he know

Stick to the Facebook
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01agtx said:

This tiktok ban is a win for legacy media and those who control it. If you've never used TikTok, then you don't understand it. It's not like other social media apps.


Uh, we know! Far more egregious in tracking and data collection. Controlled by commie party.

I used tik tok. Way too much. Dont have Facebook or instagram. Just X and tik tok.

I hope Trump can broker a deal. And given his history, I think he will!

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