GOP Senators voting against Hegseth

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pagerman @ work said:

jrdaustin said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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What makes this guy worth voting for?


You don't like him for one!
Please explain what I don't like about him?


Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.
Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.
I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.





I don't love or hate the guy. Hence my question, why should they vote for him? That's not a partisan question.
Yes it is.

Did you have issues with Austin? He was confirmed 93-2.
What about Pete Buttigieg, who's primary qualification was that he was gay and a mayor of a mid sized town? He was confirmed 86-13.
What about Anthony Blinken, the architect of the Hunter laptop letter that has been proven to be a political misinformation scheme? He was confirmed 78-22.
What about Mayorkas, who has picked and chosen what laws to enforce, thereby violating his oath of office? He was confirmed 56-43.
Let's not forget Merrick Garland, the most openly political AG in history who ushered in lawfare on the opposition. He was confirmed 70-30.

NONE of these people were denied consent. So it seems to me that the only time we have calls for denial of consent is when Republicans are being considered. So who are the partisans, again?
So the Senate, despite being an equal branch of government to the executive, should roll over for any president's nominees, and thus abrogate their constitutional role in the nomination process?


The senate as whole should. Republican senators should defer to their party's leader and party president.
Ellis Wyatt
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So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
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pagerman @ work said:

Tom Fox said:

No matter how hard or when, I would have Elon bankroll the opponent and Trump campaign against them actively even after he is out of office.

This bs has to stop.
Elon is probably not that stupid with his money.

And by "bs" you mean the Senate performing its constitutional role in the nomination process?


Enforcing ideological purity in your party while backing you chosen executive is an excellent use of money.

The senate should behave the same way the dem senate behaves with a dem president. You cannot fight effective with your supposed own team knew capping you at every turn.
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jrdaustin said:

pagerman @ work said:

Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

jrdaustin said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

What makes this guy worth voting for?


You don't like him for one!
Please explain what I don't like about him?


Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.
Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.
I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.





I don't love or hate the guy. Hence my question, why should they vote for him? That's not a partisan question.
Yes it is.

Did you have issues with Austin? He was confirmed 93-2.
What about Pete Buttigieg, who's primary qualification was that he was gay and a mayor of a mid sized town? He was confirmed 86-13.
What about Anthony Blinken, the architect of the Hunter laptop letter that has been proven to be a political misinformation scheme? He was confirmed 78-22.
What about Mayorkas, who has picked and chosen what laws to enforce, thereby violating his oath of office? He was confirmed 56-43.
Let's not forget Merrick Garland, the most openly political AG in history who ushered in lawfare on the opposition. He was confirmed 70-30.

NONE of these people were denied consent. So it seems to me that the only time we have calls for denial of consent is when Republicans are being considered. So who are the partisans, again?
So the Senate, despite being an equal branch of government to the executive, should roll over for any president's nominees, and thus abrogate their constitutional role in the nomination process?


Yes if there is a reason to exclude him or her.

This is a BS, made up ***** The fact that R's are standing in the way is disgusting. Also their reason for pushback is purely trying to get Trumps policies not implemented. Specifically cleaning out the crap that is in his departments.
So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

And keep in mind, none of them are saying they won't vote for him, merely that they have questions and will not, as of now, say that they absolutely will support him.
Hegseth is definitely guilty of sleeping around prior to his latest marriage, but he is by no means alone in that shortcoming.

The allegation of rape has been examined by Megyn with a fine tooth comb, and I'm inclined to say that that specific allegation is a fabrication, for a variety of reasons. Listen to Megyn's podcast and come back with your refutations if you disagree.

The letter from Hegseth's mom was also in a different time in Hegseth's life, and his mom stated today that she wrote the email in anger, wishes she had not sent it, and states that Hegseth is not the same person he was years ago when that email was written.

The media - who hates Trump - has sights set on a Hegseth scalp, and will do ANYTHING to get it. THAT's the motivation, here.
This isn't about cheating and it isn't about rape:
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A previously undisclosed whistle-blower report on Hegseth's tenure as the president of Concerned Veterans for America, from 2013 until 2016, describes him as being repeatedly intoxicated while acting in his official capacity to the point of needing to be carried out of the organization's events. The detailed seven-page report which was compiled by multiple former C.V.A. employees and sent to the organization's senior management in February, 2015 states that, at one point, Hegseth had to be restrained while drunk from joining the dancers on the stage of a Louisiana strip club, where he had brought his team.

...in late 2015, a different former employee described Hegseth being at a bar in the early-morning hours of May 29, 2015, while on an official tour through Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, drunkenly chanting "Kill All Muslims! Kill All Muslims!"
This is all from a report about his tenure as president of Concerned Veterans of America from 2013-2016 and was compiled and given to that organization's management in 2015, well prior to any notion of him becoming a nominee for anything and he was certainly not identified with Trump.

He is not nominated to run HUD or the Post Office. He is nominated to run the largest department in the federal government and to be in charge of the defense aparatus of the United States. If he has changed his life and sobered up, that is fine, but it is not out of line at all for Senators to question him about this behavior and give him an opportunity to answer their concerns.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

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So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
The allegations of Hegseth being an unruly drunk don't come from "the media". They come from a report to the management of the organization he was president of for 3 years.
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If it gets to a vote, the person is getting confirmed. It's when the nominee gets pulled, that's when they wouldn't have been confirmed.

Obama had failed nominations of Bill Richardson, Judd Gregg, and Tom Daschle off the top of my head.
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Teslag said:

pagerman @ work said:

jrdaustin said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

What makes this guy worth voting for?


You don't like him for one!
Please explain what I don't like about him?


Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.
Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.
I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.





I don't love or hate the guy. Hence my question, why should they vote for him? That's not a partisan question.
Yes it is.

Did you have issues with Austin? He was confirmed 93-2.
What about Pete Buttigieg, who's primary qualification was that he was gay and a mayor of a mid sized town? He was confirmed 86-13.
What about Anthony Blinken, the architect of the Hunter laptop letter that has been proven to be a political misinformation scheme? He was confirmed 78-22.
What about Mayorkas, who has picked and chosen what laws to enforce, thereby violating his oath of office? He was confirmed 56-43.
Let's not forget Merrick Garland, the most openly political AG in history who ushered in lawfare on the opposition. He was confirmed 70-30.

NONE of these people were denied consent. So it seems to me that the only time we have calls for denial of consent is when Republicans are being considered. So who are the partisans, again?
So the Senate, despite being an equal branch of government to the executive, should roll over for any president's nominees, and thus abrogate their constitutional role in the nomination process?


The senate as whole should. Republican senators should defer to their party's leader and party president.
Regardless of the nominee or the position he is nominated for?
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
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Some may have missed the last batch Biden brought in….so yes, it's understood you give the president the tools he requested

We all know the D's are just fighting for more establishment cronies to keep their gravy train rolling
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pagerman @ work said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
The allegations of Hegseth being an unruly drunk don't come from "the media". They come from a report to the management of the organization he was president of for 3 years.
And all the reports about Ken Paxton came from within his own office. Oddly, when it came time to present proof of the allegations, there was none. Funny how pissing off leftists seems to cause the lies to come out. I don't give them any credibility because they have proven to be untrustworthy.
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pagerman @ work said:

Teslag said:

pagerman @ work said:

jrdaustin said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

What makes this guy worth voting for?


You don't like him for one!
Please explain what I don't like about him?


Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.
Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.
I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.





I don't love or hate the guy. Hence my question, why should they vote for him? That's not a partisan question.
Yes it is.

Did you have issues with Austin? He was confirmed 93-2.
What about Pete Buttigieg, who's primary qualification was that he was gay and a mayor of a mid sized town? He was confirmed 86-13.
What about Anthony Blinken, the architect of the Hunter laptop letter that has been proven to be a political misinformation scheme? He was confirmed 78-22.
What about Mayorkas, who has picked and chosen what laws to enforce, thereby violating his oath of office? He was confirmed 56-43.
Let's not forget Merrick Garland, the most openly political AG in history who ushered in lawfare on the opposition. He was confirmed 70-30.

NONE of these people were denied consent. So it seems to me that the only time we have calls for denial of consent is when Republicans are being considered. So who are the partisans, again?
So the Senate, despite being an equal branch of government to the executive, should roll over for any president's nominees, and thus abrogate their constitutional role in the nomination process?


The senate as whole should. Republican senators should defer to their party's leader and party president.
Regardless of the nominee or the position he is nominated for?


Both. They should fall in line with their party's leader or go independent / switch parties.
pagerman @ work
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Ellis Wyatt said:

pagerman @ work said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
The allegations of Hegseth being an unruly drunk don't come from "the media". They come from a report to the management of the organization he was president of for 3 years.
And all the reports about Ken Paxton came from within his own office. Oddly, when it came time to present proof of the allegations, there was none. Funny how pissing off leftists seems to cause the lies to come out. I don't give them any credibility because they have proven to be untrustworthy.
"Pissing off leftists"? What the hell are you talking about?

These aren't leftists, they are former coworkers prior to any political involvement by Hegseth.
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At least there isn't some childlike voice claiming he raped her in some unknown location, unknown year, and without any medical documentation or recollection by any of her friends.

Yet.

But it's happened to GOP nominees before, and been taken 'seriously' by our concerned propaganda corp/types.
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Teslag said:

pagerman @ work said:

Teslag said:

pagerman @ work said:

jrdaustin said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

What makes this guy worth voting for?


You don't like him for one!
Please explain what I don't like about him?


Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.
Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.
I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.





I don't love or hate the guy. Hence my question, why should they vote for him? That's not a partisan question.
Yes it is.

Did you have issues with Austin? He was confirmed 93-2.
What about Pete Buttigieg, who's primary qualification was that he was gay and a mayor of a mid sized town? He was confirmed 86-13.
What about Anthony Blinken, the architect of the Hunter laptop letter that has been proven to be a political misinformation scheme? He was confirmed 78-22.
What about Mayorkas, who has picked and chosen what laws to enforce, thereby violating his oath of office? He was confirmed 56-43.
Let's not forget Merrick Garland, the most openly political AG in history who ushered in lawfare on the opposition. He was confirmed 70-30.

NONE of these people were denied consent. So it seems to me that the only time we have calls for denial of consent is when Republicans are being considered. So who are the partisans, again?
So the Senate, despite being an equal branch of government to the executive, should roll over for any president's nominees, and thus abrogate their constitutional role in the nomination process?


The senate as whole should. Republican senators should defer to their party's leader and party president.
Regardless of the nominee or the position he is nominated for?


Both. They should fall in line with their party's leader or go independent / switch parties.
Throw "generally" in there and you have a cogent argument.

But saying the Senate should properly perform its constitutional duties except for those senators in the same party as the president doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the president's party is in the majority (as it is here), the Senate can't perform it's constitutional duties if the majority are simply going to rubber stamp the nominee regardless of any potential issues with the nominee.
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IndividualFreedom
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What makes this guy worth voting for?
Donald J. Trump selected him and he deserves to have the cabinet he wants to build.

Why should he not be voted for?

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pagerman @ work said:

Teslag said:

pagerman @ work said:

Teslag said:

pagerman @ work said:

jrdaustin said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

What makes this guy worth voting for?


You don't like him for one!
Please explain what I don't like about him?


Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.
Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.
I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.





I don't love or hate the guy. Hence my question, why should they vote for him? That's not a partisan question.
Yes it is.

Did you have issues with Austin? He was confirmed 93-2.
What about Pete Buttigieg, who's primary qualification was that he was gay and a mayor of a mid sized town? He was confirmed 86-13.
What about Anthony Blinken, the architect of the Hunter laptop letter that has been proven to be a political misinformation scheme? He was confirmed 78-22.
What about Mayorkas, who has picked and chosen what laws to enforce, thereby violating his oath of office? He was confirmed 56-43.
Let's not forget Merrick Garland, the most openly political AG in history who ushered in lawfare on the opposition. He was confirmed 70-30.

NONE of these people were denied consent. So it seems to me that the only time we have calls for denial of consent is when Republicans are being considered. So who are the partisans, again?
So the Senate, despite being an equal branch of government to the executive, should roll over for any president's nominees, and thus abrogate their constitutional role in the nomination process?


The senate as whole should. Republican senators should defer to their party's leader and party president.
Regardless of the nominee or the position he is nominated for?


Both. They should fall in line with their party's leader or go independent / switch parties.
Throw "generally" in there and you have a cogent argument.

But saying the Senate should properly perform its constitutional duties except for those senators in the same party as the president doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the president's party is in the majority (as it is here), the Senate can't perform it's constitutional duties if the majority are simply going to rubber stamp the nominee regardless of any potential issues with the nominee.

You mean rubber stamp like the dems do? Trump deserves his choice just like the dems.
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I don't want to get off topic but the mass embedded quotes are getting kind of voluminous. If y'all need to reply directly to someone please just hit the little arrow that says reply instead of quoting everything. Thanks.
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Dude seems to think it's going well

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If the president's party is in the majority (as it is here), the Senate can't perform it's constitutional duties if the majority are simply going to rubber stamp the nominee regardless of any potential issues with the nominee.


They are performing their constitutional duties as members of their party and beholden to their constituents.
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pagerman @ work said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
The allegations of Hegseth being an unruly drunk don't come from "the media". They come from a report to the management of the organization he was president of for 3 years.


They come from a "report" from the New Yorker and just came up now. Decades later.

Typical LIBERAL bull**** that comes out like clockwork when liberals are worried about someone they fear taking power. Seen it over and over and over and over and over and over.

And the dumbest thing I've ever heard is defending this as "not political" because at the time this "allegedly" happened he was not in politics.
LOL OLD
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pagerman @ work said:

Teslag said:

pagerman @ work said:

Teslag said:

pagerman @ work said:

jrdaustin said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

What makes this guy worth voting for?


You don't like him for one!
Please explain what I don't like about him?


Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.
Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.
I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.





I don't love or hate the guy. Hence my question, why should they vote for him? That's not a partisan question.
Yes it is.

Did you have issues with Austin? He was confirmed 93-2.
What about Pete Buttigieg, who's primary qualification was that he was gay and a mayor of a mid sized town? He was confirmed 86-13.
What about Anthony Blinken, the architect of the Hunter laptop letter that has been proven to be a political misinformation scheme? He was confirmed 78-22.
What about Mayorkas, who has picked and chosen what laws to enforce, thereby violating his oath of office? He was confirmed 56-43.
Let's not forget Merrick Garland, the most openly political AG in history who ushered in lawfare on the opposition. He was confirmed 70-30.

NONE of these people were denied consent. So it seems to me that the only time we have calls for denial of consent is when Republicans are being considered. So who are the partisans, again?
So the Senate, despite being an equal branch of government to the executive, should roll over for any president's nominees, and thus abrogate their constitutional role in the nomination process?


The senate as whole should. Republican senators should defer to their party's leader and party president.
Regardless of the nominee or the position he is nominated for?


Both. They should fall in line with their party's leader or go independent / switch parties.
Throw "generally" in there and you have a cogent argument.

But saying the Senate should properly perform its constitutional duties except for those senators in the same party as the president doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the president's party is in the majority (as it is here), the Senate can't perform it's constitutional duties if the majority are simply going to rubber stamp the nominee regardless of any potential issues with the nominee.


The Big 4 positions in the administration are AG, SECDEF, FBI director, Secretary of Homeland Security, and Secretary of State.

They've already tried to block 2 of 5 so far. That is not generally following the President's wishes.
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You also need to remember that Senators don't represent "The Senate" or "An Institution" or "Constitutional Duties". They represent the states, and more directly the people of those states by way of the 17th amendment. Every GOP senator hails from a state that elected Donald Trump as president, or at least had an electoral vote cast for Trump (Maine). They are beholden to their constituents to carry out their wishes.
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Teslag said:

They are beholden to their constituents to carry out their wishes.
but wait! why aren't they beholden to the lobbyists and donors who fund them, some of which represent the military industrial complex that experience more profit growth when wars are going on?
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Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
The allegations of Hegseth being an unruly drunk don't come from "the media". They come from a report to the management of the organization he was president of for 3 years.


They come from a "report" from the New Yorker and just came up now. Decades later.

Typical LIBERAL bull**** that comes out like clockwork when liberals are worried about someone they fear taking power. Seen it over and over and over and over and over and over.

And the dumbest thing I've ever heard is defending this as "not political" because at the time this "allegedly" happened he was not in politics.
It's not even a decade old.
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Teslag said:


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If the president's party is in the majority (as it is here), the Senate can't perform it's constitutional duties if the majority are simply going to rubber stamp the nominee regardless of any potential issues with the nominee.


They are performing their constitutional duties as members of their party and beholden to their constituents.
There is no "constitutional duty" to their party. They have a constitutional duty as a member of the Senate.

And yes, they are beholden to their constituents. What that means and how it manifests itself is up to them.
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Lobbyists no. MIC, possibly. For example, Cornyn and Cruz should do everything they can for the MIC because it employs almost 150,000 Texans for almost $5.3 billion in salaries. That money goes directly to the Texas economy and is good for our state.
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pagerman @ work said:

Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
The allegations of Hegseth being an unruly drunk don't come from "the media". They come from a report to the management of the organization he was president of for 3 years.


They come from a "report" from the New Yorker and just came up now. Decades later.

Typical LIBERAL bull**** that comes out like clockwork when liberals are worried about someone they fear taking power. Seen it over and over and over and over and over and over.

And the dumbest thing I've ever heard is defending this as "not political" because at the time this "allegedly" happened he was not in politics.
It's not even a decade old.


The actual "alleged" incident was over a decade old. The complaint was filed in Feb '15.
LOL OLD
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Tom Fox said:

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Teslag said:

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Teslag said:

pagerman @ work said:

jrdaustin said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

What makes this guy worth voting for?


You don't like him for one!
Please explain what I don't like about him?


Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.
Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.
I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.





I don't love or hate the guy. Hence my question, why should they vote for him? That's not a partisan question.
Yes it is.

Did you have issues with Austin? He was confirmed 93-2.
What about Pete Buttigieg, who's primary qualification was that he was gay and a mayor of a mid sized town? He was confirmed 86-13.
What about Anthony Blinken, the architect of the Hunter laptop letter that has been proven to be a political misinformation scheme? He was confirmed 78-22.
What about Mayorkas, who has picked and chosen what laws to enforce, thereby violating his oath of office? He was confirmed 56-43.
Let's not forget Merrick Garland, the most openly political AG in history who ushered in lawfare on the opposition. He was confirmed 70-30.

NONE of these people were denied consent. So it seems to me that the only time we have calls for denial of consent is when Republicans are being considered. So who are the partisans, again?
So the Senate, despite being an equal branch of government to the executive, should roll over for any president's nominees, and thus abrogate their constitutional role in the nomination process?


The senate as whole should. Republican senators should defer to their party's leader and party president.
Regardless of the nominee or the position he is nominated for?


Both. They should fall in line with their party's leader or go independent / switch parties.
Throw "generally" in there and you have a cogent argument.

But saying the Senate should properly perform its constitutional duties except for those senators in the same party as the president doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the president's party is in the majority (as it is here), the Senate can't perform it's constitutional duties if the majority are simply going to rubber stamp the nominee regardless of any potential issues with the nominee.


The Big 4 positions in the administration are AG, SECDEF, FBI director, Secretary of Homeland Security, and Secretary of State.

They've already tried to block 2 of 5 so far. That is not generally following the President's wishes.
The president should generally get the nominees he wants, but the Senate should not be a rubber stamp. The Senate is an equal branch of government not beholden to the House or Executive.

And having reservations or questions about a nominee is not "trying to block" that nominee. It's doing their job.
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Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

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So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
The allegations of Hegseth being an unruly drunk don't come from "the media". They come from a report to the management of the organization he was president of for 3 years.


They come from a "report" from the New Yorker and just came up now. Decades later.

Typical LIBERAL bull**** that comes out like clockwork when liberals are worried about someone they fear taking power. Seen it over and over and over and over and over and over.

And the dumbest thing I've ever heard is defending this as "not political" because at the time this "allegedly" happened he was not in politics.
It's not even a decade old.


The actual "alleged" incident was over a decade old. The complaint was filed in Feb '15.
Hegseth was president of the Concerned Veterans of America from 2013-2016. The complaint was filed in 2015 (as you stated), which is less than a decade ago. The events in question may go back to 2013, but they are certainly not "decades ago".
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pagerman @ work said:

Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
The allegations of Hegseth being an unruly drunk don't come from "the media". They come from a report to the management of the organization he was president of for 3 years.


They come from a "report" from the New Yorker and just came up now. Decades later.

Typical LIBERAL bull**** that comes out like clockwork when liberals are worried about someone they fear taking power. Seen it over and over and over and over and over and over.

And the dumbest thing I've ever heard is defending this as "not political" because at the time this "allegedly" happened he was not in politics.
It's not even a decade old.


The actual "alleged" incident was over a decade old. The complaint was filed in Feb '15.
Hegseth was president of the Concerned Veterans of America from 2013-2016. The complaint was filed in 2015 (as you stated), which is less than a decade ago. The events in question may go back to 2013, but they are certainly not "decades ago".


Fine. Should have said over a decade. Got me.

Point remains. BS political crap the left throws out over and over and over that comes up from a long, long, long time ago.
LOL OLD
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Shoefly! said:

Trajan88 said:

So these same clown senators for the most part confirmed joey b's nominees, but a big "no" for Trump's SoD!

If these same clown senators had any character, ethics they would have said "no" to all or most of joey b's nominees.

These clowns need to be primaried their next reelection campaign.

You notice Jonny Cornyn didn't make the list, he's staying silent.
He better or he will lose a lot of votes in the future. To be considered a deep state supporter at this point in time may be the worst possible political move for a Texas senator.
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And you know this "woman" was getting back at her husband then realized she could get paid…..of course votes solid blue
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Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

Science Denier said:

pagerman @ work said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Quote:

So surely you have evidence to back up your assertion that the allegations against Hegseth are "made up sh/t", and that the Senators in question only have stopping Trump as their goal?

You would think after the media lies and lies and lies and trots out the same playbook repeatedly that some of you would stop falling for it. I get that you want traditional Washington insiders to continue running the country, but that is not what most voters voted for.
The allegations of Hegseth being an unruly drunk don't come from "the media". They come from a report to the management of the organization he was president of for 3 years.


They come from a "report" from the New Yorker and just came up now. Decades later.

Typical LIBERAL bull**** that comes out like clockwork when liberals are worried about someone they fear taking power. Seen it over and over and over and over and over and over.

And the dumbest thing I've ever heard is defending this as "not political" because at the time this "allegedly" happened he was not in politics.
It's not even a decade old.


The actual "alleged" incident was over a decade old. The complaint was filed in Feb '15.
Hegseth was president of the Concerned Veterans of America from 2013-2016. The complaint was filed in 2015 (as you stated), which is less than a decade ago. The events in question may go back to 2013, but they are certainly not "decades ago".


Fine. Should have said over a decade. Got me.

Point remains. BS political crap the left throws out over and over and over that comes up from a long, long, long time ago.


Yeah, a whole 9 years... that's like yesterday man. It's total bull***** Nothing but character assassination by the left that some on the right - Jeff Flake types - engage in to show their "intellectual and moral superiority".
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Tom Fox said:

pagerman @ work said:

jrdaustin said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

What makes this guy worth voting for?


You don't like him for one!
Please explain what I don't like about him?


Playing dumb about a nominee who has been know for weeks is not a good look.
Don't change directions. What is it about him that you think I don't like? Support your claim or just admit that you made a bull**** statement.
I've seen your posting or should I say trolling for a while now and its not really worth discussing. If I made a mistake prove me wrong. Tell me how much you love Pete and conservative values. The only bull**** is your stick of acting ignorant.





I don't love or hate the guy. Hence my question, why should they vote for him? That's not a partisan question.
Yes it is.

Did you have issues with Austin? He was confirmed 93-2.
What about Pete Buttigieg, who's primary qualification was that he was gay and a mayor of a mid sized town? He was confirmed 86-13.
What about Anthony Blinken, the architect of the Hunter laptop letter that has been proven to be a political misinformation scheme? He was confirmed 78-22.
What about Mayorkas, who has picked and chosen what laws to enforce, thereby violating his oath of office? He was confirmed 56-43.
Let's not forget Merrick Garland, the most openly political AG in history who ushered in lawfare on the opposition. He was confirmed 70-30.

NONE of these people were denied consent. So it seems to me that the only time we have calls for denial of consent is when Republicans are being considered. So who are the partisans, again?
So the Senate, despite being an equal branch of government to the executive, should roll over for any president's nominees, and thus abrogate their constitutional role in the nomination process?


Yes, the Republicans should give Trump his first choices and if they do not work out that is on Trump. Exactly as was done for Biden.


Why should they give him anything they want?
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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BoydCrowder13 said:

It is kind of funny how this is the hill some posters want to die on. Even Trump seems to be wavering.

No one knew or cared who this guy was a month ago. Now he is the only hope for the DOD.

Give me DeSantis. He is out of office in 2 years regardless and it'll be a waste to have him sit on the sidelines from 26-28.
No you misunderstand the situation. Now, many folks are coming out of the woodwork to paint this guy as every bad thing in the world, when last week he was respected and well liked by the majority of this country. The MSM and the bias, uninformed folks like you jump on board the support the effort.

DeSantis would also be great, but he will still be around next cycle. The other possible candidates who might be acceptable or good have no bearing on the value of this nominee. If you focus on the mission rather than your emotion and dislike of him, he will look much better.
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fc2112 said:

I have been saying he was a terrible selection since Day 1.

I was accosted by many of you the"TRUMP!!!!!"

Now perhaps Trump is coming around to my way of thinking.


Your saying so doesn't make it so. Hth
 
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