In a number of the Blue States, like Illinois and California, the majority of Counties vote Republican but the urban populations overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Some of the Republican counties in Illinois and California have had enough and want to secede and form their own states.

This is different from the counties in Washington state where they are voting to secede and join Idaho forming a "Greater Idaho", not a new State.

Less than a handful of Blue States had more counties voting for Harris than counties voting for Trump.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/24/us-news/rural-counties-in-california-and-illinois-push-to-secede-from-blue-states-to-separate-from-liberal-run-cities/

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Rural counties in California, Illinois push to secede from blue states to separate from liberal-run cities after Trump's win: 'So flipping excited'
By Ryan King Published Nov. 24, 2024, 3:12 p.m. ET New York Post

They've had enough.

A movement in a myriad of rural counties across deep blue states such as Illinois and California to split off and form new states appears to be gaining some steam in the wake of the Nov. 5 election.

Conservative residents of the rural regions are taking note of their peers fleeing to lower-taxed and less-regulated red states but they are ready to stay put pining for a divorce with the urban sectors of their state.

A group dubbed the New Illinois State has drafted a new constitution and championed plans to "Leave Illinois Without Moving." On Election Day, seven rural counties in Illinois voted to contemplate splitting off from the state......

.......Out in California, a similar movement has taken root as well. The New California State organization hopes to splinter off the counties outside the Bay Area, Sacramento and Los Angeles.

"I'm so flipping excited," Paul Preston, who founded New California State, told the Wall Street Journal.

Preston bashed the Golden State to the outlet as a "one-party communist state, and technically, they have seceded from the Union already."....

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Rural Northern California has been talking about this **** for at least the last 15 years.

California has had conservative and rural areas discussing this for a long long time (ie state of Jefferson). I'd love for this to happen, but it's less than unlikely, bordering on laughable.

I would love to be wrong, but this is a dream not based in reality.

OKLAHOMA

WEST VIRGINIA

Enzomatic said:

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California has had conservative and rural areas discussing this for a long long time (ie state of Jefferson). I'd love for this to happen, but it's less than unlikely, bordering on laughable.

I would love to be wrong, but this is a dream not based in reality.

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Well it certainly is for people with your attitude. Dont even try, right!

Have you ever heard of "The answer is ALWAYS no unless you try and I mean really try." If everyone rolled as you do we'd still be an English colony or part of Mexico.

I think that counties leaving and joining a bordering state would have a better chance of working rather than establishing another state. A new state would have to be formally admitted into the United States. Joining another state would be more of shifting state borders.

I think that counties in eastern Cali joining Arizona and Nevada would make those states solidly red and give them additional reps in Congress while taking reps away from Cali.. Same would apply to Washington and Oregon counties moving to Idaho.

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Enzomatic said:

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California has had conservative and rural areas discussing this for a long long time (ie state of Jefferson). I'd love for this to happen, but it's less than unlikely, bordering on laughable.

I would love to be wrong, but this is a dream not based in reality.

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Well it certainly is for people with your attitude. Dont even try, right!

Have you ever heard of "The answer is ALWAYS no unless you try and I mean really try." If everyone rolled as you do we'd still be an English colony or part of Mexico.

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You're right. I should move back to California and go make it happen. My apologies for living in reality, far away from that cesspool.

But yes, this has been tried, and nothing in the original link makes it seem like this is any more viable than previously attempted. You make it seem like this is a brand new idea. Just like socialism, this time it will work, right?

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I think that counties leaving and joining a bordering state would have a better chance of working rather than establishing another state. A new state would have to be formally admitted into the United States. Joining another state would be more of shifting state borders.

I think that counties in eastern Cali joining Arizona and Nevada would make those states solidly red and give them additional reps in Congress while taking reps away from Cali.. Same would apply to Washington and Oregon counties moving to Idaho.

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I agree. Just like eastern Washington and Oregon merging with Idaho. However, the coastal cities would be quite the obstacle to that, as they'd not willingly give it up. Would be great, and id fully support this type of realignment, but there's just too little power and influence in these rural areas to gain any traction. As long as the city centers control these states, it is quite an uphill battle to assimilate a chunk of one state into another.

Also, im not even sure that Idaho wants these territories. Just because a small number of people (relative to the rest of the state along the coast) vote to leave doesnt mean that the target state even wants to gain this added responsibility. Same applies to California's neighbors. That said, gaining so much agricultural land would be quite the valuable add, so I would think that it should be easy to convince the new ownership to take them on. However, the value of the lost territory makes the current ownership unlikely to allow this to happen without additional factors that don't currently exist. Would be awesome for this to happen, but as with the examples given in the snarky response to my first post, it would likely take violence to get the powerful city centers to give it up.

What would happen to Chicagoland if the rest of Illinois left? Just become a city-state? I don't think Wisconsin or Indiana would want it.

Give the dems DC statehood and in exchange for a northern Cali state.

The senators are a wash and it eats into the house of representative representation of cali.

One thing about socialists is they don't give up power unless forced to. They love having rural areas like this under their control. The best part for them is they justify it and talk about how those rural areas would never survive without them and how they should be thankful that their urban overlords provide them with some funding for this or that and ignore how they tax and regulate them into sheer misery and oblivion.

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Give the dems DC statehood

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Enzomatic said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Enzomatic said:

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California has had conservative and rural areas discussing this for a long long time (ie state of Jefferson). I'd love for this to happen, but it's less than unlikely, bordering on laughable.

I would love to be wrong, but this is a dream not based in reality.

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Well it certainly is for people with your attitude. Dont even try, right!

Have you ever heard of "The answer is ALWAYS no unless you try and I mean really try." If everyone rolled as you do we'd still be an English colony or part of Mexico.

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You're right. I should move back to California and go make it happen. My apologies for living in reality, far away from that cesspool.

But yes, this has been tried, and nothing in the original link makes it seem like this is any more viable than previously attempted. You make it seem like this is a brand new idea. Just like socialism, this time it will work, right?

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Give the dems DC statehood and in exchange for a northern Cali state.

The senators are a wash and it eats into the house of representative representation of cali.

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Nah...

Give DC back to Maryland...

Wasn't West Virginia more a case of the rest of the state didn't want them and kicked them out rather than them wanting to leave?

They split off during civil war as they didn't want to be in the Confederacy.

Don't secede.

Evict.

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OKLAHOMA

WEST VIRGINIA

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They only gave us one crayon.

Thanks!

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Rural Northern California has been talking about this **** for at least the last 15 years.

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It's been a lot longer than that. At one point, it had some traction, but then Pearl Harbor happened.

The issue is that in California, the state legislature would have to approve (I vaguely think by around a 2/3 majority?) and then congress would have to approve. I think there have been more than 200 attempts to break up California. The senate won't even approve a bunch of Trump's nominees, let alone a new red state being created that would threaten some portion of the current 100 members powers.

And Sacramento relies on those rural states for water (which is a very big deal) among other things. So basically you'd have to talk a bunch of democrats into handing the conservatives their own right to govern/lose their tax revenues and resources and admit they've been running CA into the ground. I don't mean to say it could 'never' happen but it's probably not gonna happen in my lifetime.

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The issue is that in California, the state legislature would have to approve (I vaguely think by around a 2/3 majority?) and then congress would have to approve. I think there have been more than 200 attempts to break up California. The senate won't even approve a bunch of Trump's nominees, let alone a new red state being created that would threaten some portion of the current 100 members powers.

And Sacramento relies on those rural states for water (which is a very big deal) among other things. So basically you'd have to talk a bunch of democrats into handing the conservatives their own right to govern/lose their tax revenues and resources and admit they've been running CA into the ground. I don't mean to say it could 'never' happen but it's probably not gonna happen in my lifetime.

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Well, the state would have to approve it.

But, it's Congress job to approve admittance to the union. That's how Maine did it, too.



That's why I've always said that if Texas wanted to secede, just split off from El Paso and never get around to asking the US to let us back in.

Let them form new States. Pack the Senate!

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I don't know…. If you basically form new states with the conservative areas in Illinois, California, Oregon, and Washington….. and there may be some others that join the fight when it becomes a possibility, the trade-off might be worth it…. Look at the map; lots more red than blue, area-wise.

I don't think it so at all realistic; and I don't think it ever happens, but if they were dumb enough to bargain and give state status to those other areas, then you make that deal….

Never going to happen but it does show the divide in the country is unbridgeable. We are so fractured, there's no way to heal at this point.
But the logistics of this are almost impossible.

Easter CO and Western KS could form their own state as well.

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ttu_85 said:

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Enzomatic said:

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California has had conservative and rural areas discussing this for a long long time (ie state of Jefferson). I'd love for this to happen, but it's less than unlikely, bordering on laughable.

I would love to be wrong, but this is a dream not based in reality.

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Well it certainly is for people with your attitude. Dont even try, right!

Have you ever heard of "The answer is ALWAYS no unless you try and I mean really try." If everyone rolled as you do we'd still be an English colony or part of Mexico.

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You're right. I should move back to California and go make it happen. My apologies for living in reality, far away from that cesspool.

But yes, this has been tried, and nothing in the original link makes it seem like this is any more viable than previously attempted. You make it seem like this is a brand new idea. Just like socialism, this time it will work, right?

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Probably not given todays situation. But thats not to say things could heat up. You have to sell the blues on the idiotic idea that ALL the reds are a tax drain when in reality they grow the food and manufacture a lot of hardware. Most blue areas are large dependent low income ghettos coupled with white elitist enclaves filled with old money types and suburban women that shop all day. And a few of those in management and distribution of assets often produced in red counties.

Core Urban areas have this aurora of a false superiority. I'd play on that. Amazing what good messaging can do.

blah blah blah

Wake me up when these counties actually pull it off.

Eastern Washington and Oregon have been yapping about this for over a decade.

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Give the dems DC statehood and in exchange for a northern Cali state.

The senators are a wash and it eats into the house of representative representation of cali.

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Nah...

Give DC back to Maryland...

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This is a good solution. People of DC are closely affiliated with MD and linked by communication, utilities and transportation concerns.

I doubt it'll happen but just the threat and pressure it puts on the Marxists might be enough to jar them into reality . Probably not but it could wake up enough of their constituents to matter. There are conservatives even in the blue areas, God help them.

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To be fair, that would be except for Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

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Rural Northern California has been talking about this **** for at least the last 15 years.

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It's gotta be gettin more serious now though given how hyper-deviant and freakish the modern left has become. Trump, Elon, Rogan, RFJ, Tulsi...all lifelong democrats. Reasonable people who just want a stable life, but see what is becoming of the once great, but increasingly blue cities in their states. They are not as stupid as you and every other NIMBY urban liberal thinks they are. Far from it.

The lunatic fringe has taken over your entire party, and very few dems can admit that, lol.

PS - I have spent plenty of time in rough urban areas...downtown Los Angeles genuinely troubled me two summers ago. I could not believe it wasn't all over the news, how bad it had gotten. It was like something out of a dystopian movie. Very rarely would you see normal business people you would expect to seee in a metro CBD...but everywhere you went, there were doped or schizzophrenic bums picking fights with the concrete, thin air etc.

Democrats ruin everything...all you have to do is look at the cities...then the states. To want to scale that up to the federal level is psychotic.