Is the worm turning RE: Jan 6th prisoners?

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aggiehawg
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As Jake Lang marks a harrowing 1,400 days imprisonment without trial, the case by the weaponized Biden Department of Justice is starting to fall apart.

Jake, the founder of J6Pardons.com, one of the 1561 January 6 political prisoners, still languishes in a cell in the DC Jail Gulag denied his Constitutional right to a speedy trial, impartial jury, and humane treatment. This shocking milestone underscores a glaring abuse of power by the DOJ and a two-tiered justice system targeting conservative voices.

It's very possible that Jake never sees his day in court. Yesterday, Federal Judge Carl Nichols issued a groundbreaking decision to PAUSE his trial indefinitely until President Trump's administration takes over claiming the high likelihood of pardons and dismissals. Federal Prosecutor Karen Rochlin couldn't promise the Judge that there wouldn't be waste of federal resources and a waste of time for jurors to hear a case that soon be pardoned.
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While I agree that wasting judicial resources should be every judge's concern but this is a first for a DC judge when it comes to Jan 6th prisoners. So, is this just a fig leaf excuse?

By that I mean deep down, Nichols knows these prosecutions are not justice?
jja79
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I hope they go after the real criminals of J6. Many of these political prisoners deserve reparations.
Logos Stick
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Hawg, how is it even legal to jail someone that long without trial?

To your point, if this judge thinks its an injustice, why not grant him bail right now then?
CoachtobeNamed$$$
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Gonna save those resources now, but they spent like crazy trying to get Trump and some of his supporters. I hope they find laws broken by these DOJ scum lawyers….all the way to Merrick Garland. This time lock them up.
Maroon Dawn
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Surprised the Biden DOJ didn't suddenly decide to have a commie style mass trial for the rest of them to make sure they were convicted and sentenced before Trump comes in
Ag4life80
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Just mind blowing this is going on in the USA. Where's the political outrage from the right?
aggiehawg
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Logos Stick said:

Hawg, how is it even legal to jail someone that long without trial?

To your point, if this judge thinks its an injustice, why not grant him bail right now then?
DC cocktail circuit.

I have been critical of most of these cases on the basis that the charges are very weak sauce that few prosecutors outside of DC would prosecute, much less advocate no bail on the basis that grandma was a threat to society. Very disgraceful and a large stain upon the DOJ and the federal judiciary in DC.

There are still people being held after the SCOTUS Fischer decision throwing out the 1512(c) charges as a massive misapplication of that Sarbanes-Oxley statute.
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Logos Stick said:

Hawg, how is it even legal to jail someone that long without trial?



He has asked to postpone his own trial multiple times.

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To your point, if this judge thinks its an injustice, why not grant him bail right now then?


Because he's charged with swinging a bat at law enforcement.

This judge does not think there is an injustice here. He's against blanket pardons for everyone related to J6. Should be noted, Trump also against pardons for violent offenders.
aggiehawg
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Then explain why the prosecutors made that request and why he granted it?
Jack Squat 83
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What is the recourse for a civilian against these a-holes in DC doing this to them? Are they immune to personal punishments of any kind? (I am honestly asking the question btw, I know nothing)

It was mentioned, but how in the hell is Congress not holding hearings on the judicial abuse of these people? Absolutely ridiculous. A pardon of course is expected, but IMO that is not nearly enough.
I don't think you know me.
BMX Bandit
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aggiehawg said:

Then explain why the prosecutors made that request and why he granted it?


The request was made by the defendant Lang, not by prosecutors.

Judge Nichols asked if the Government could assure him this would not be a waste of government resources given the pardon possibility. The Government said they could not make that assurance.

Nichols then said to set a trial date between 1/27/25 and mid-March. Government sent notice for 1/27 trial. .
Ellis Wyatt
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There are quite a number of DOj employees who should rot in jail forever.
Sid Farkas
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Nancy Pelosi orchestrated J6

Lock her up.
Logos Stick
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Thanks. If he tried to physically assault the police, then hopefully he doesn't get a pardon from Trump.
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aggiehawg said:

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As Jake Lang marks a harrowing 1,400 days imprisonment without trial, the case by the weaponized Biden Department of Justice is starting to fall apart.

Jake, the founder of J6Pardons.com, one of the 1561 January 6 political prisoners, still languishes in a cell in the DC Jail Gulag denied his Constitutional right to a speedy trial, impartial jury, and humane treatment. This shocking milestone underscores a glaring abuse of power by the DOJ and a two-tiered justice system targeting conservative voices.

It's very possible that Jake never sees his day in court. Yesterday, Federal Judge Carl Nichols issued a groundbreaking decision to PAUSE his trial indefinitely until President Trump's administration takes over claiming the high likelihood of pardons and dismissals. Federal Prosecutor Karen Rochlin couldn't promise the Judge that there wouldn't be waste of federal resources and a waste of time for jurors to hear a case that soon be pardoned.
LINK

While I agree that wasting judicial resources should be every judge's concern but this is a first for a DC judge when it comes to Jan 6th prisoners. So, is this just a fig leaf excuse?

By that I mean deep down, Nichols knows these prosecutions are not justice?

No. He's had requests for delays in sentencing because the defendants believe Trump will pardon them. He's denied those.
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aggiehawg said:

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,,,,….,,,of federal resources and a waste of time for jurors to hear a case that soon be pardoned.
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The unmitigated gall of this judge acting like he has the waste of government resources on his mind. That POS has been wasting resources from day one on most of the indicted as they posed no threat, destroyed nothing, attacked no one and were let in by the supposed law enforcement officers.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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BMX Bandit said:

aggiehawg said:

Then explain why the prosecutors made that request and why he granted it?


The request was made by the defendant Lang, not by prosecutors.

Judge Nichols asked if the Government could assume him this would not be a waste of government resources given the pardon possibility. The Government said they could not make that assurance.

Nichols then said to set a trial date between 1/27/25 and mid-March. Government sent notice for 1/27 trial. .
so he granted it with the blessing of the prosecutors....

I don't for a second think any Dem or TDS-sufferer has turned the tide regarding J6. They sincerely think it was a legitimate attempt at an 'insurrection.' POSSIBLY deep deep deep down they realize it is a travesty of justice (except in possibly a very few cases), but not likely. These people believed russia russia russia, have multiple boosters, etc. etc. - they are not rational or reasonable people.

EDIT: thanks BMX for adding some info. apparently this judge has been reasonable in the past and not appearing to turn any figleaf.
BMX Bandit
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Nichols was the only district judge to say Government was misusing 1512(c). SCOTUS agreed with him in Fischer.

Buts he's a POS to some I guess.
BMX Bandit
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so he granted it with the blessing of the prosecutors....


Prosecuters were opposed to postponing trial.
fredfredunderscorefred
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BMX Bandit said:

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so he granted it with the blessing of the prosecutors....


Prosecuters were opposed to postponing trial.
gotchya. I misread/misinterpreted. understood.
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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Is there any chance that these people can file and win lawsuits against these tyrants who have clearly violated their Constitutional rights?
PA24
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Trump will pardon and some of them will have quite the story to share with us. Shocking will be putting it mildly as some spent months in solitary confinement with conditions that match a 3rd world country's jail.
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1400 days without a trial. This is stuff we could've never imagined happening in this once great country.
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Judges continue melting about Trump/J6 pardons incoming.

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In extraordinary but little-watched court proceedings since Election Day, judges appointed by presidents of both parties have emphasized the need for accountability for the people who stormed the Capitol in an attempt to derail the certification of Joe Biden's 2020 victory. These judges have sounded dire warnings about the fate of the country if the lessons of the 2020 election go unlearned, and they are bluntly bracing for a turbulent start to the second Trump presidency.
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"What did I lie about?" Bradley shot back before denigrating Walton for once appearing on national television to defend the judiciary amid Trump's attacks on the judge in his New York hush money trial.

"I'm being convicted without a victim," Bradley continued.

At least three Jan. 6 defendants barred from visiting Washington without court permission have asked judges for permission to attend Trump's inauguration, including one at the invitation of Republican members of Congress. In two of those cases, the Justice Department pushed back fiercely, saying that permitting the defendants to return to "the scene of the crime" would be an affront to the police officers victimized that day some of whom may be protecting the Capitol at Trump's second inaugural. Judges have yet to rule on those two cases.

But on Thursday, Chutkan granted permission to the third defendant, Eric Peterson, in a one-sentence order without explanation.
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"On January 6, 2021, an angry mob of rioters invaded and occupied the United States Capitol, intending to interrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election results," Lamberth wrote. "No matter what ultimately becomes of the Capital Riots cases already concluded and still pending, the true story of what happened on January 6, 2021 will never change."

Chutkan, on Monday, said she fully endorsed Lamberth's words.

"This is the United States Capitol the people's house," Chutkan said. "They trashed it. They treated it like a motel room after a concert. … Engaging in an act of destruction and violence in order to halt the peaceful transfer of power has to be met by consequences."
Pardon them all and issue a statement explicitly calling Chutkan out as a disgrace to the judiciary and country for how she runs her little courtroom.
TRADUCTOR
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The professionals ran a psy op on patriots. The judge lies.
https://archive.org/details/everything-wrong-with-the-capitol-shooting-in-21-minutes-or-less_202102
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