Science is a great basis for how to think. It is less good of a basis for what to think.

There's healthy scientific skepticism, but then there's also unhealthy pseudoscientific and contrarian skepticism.

Yes, science does prove things. The earth is, without a doubt round and not flat. Being skeptical of that fact is pretty much denialist at this point.

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MJ20/20 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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"Science" exposed itself. Everyone should be a skeptic of the narratives we are force fed. They lied to us throughout Covid. They have lied about climate "science" from the beginning.

Actual science requires proven hypotheses, not mere conjecture and consensus, or the suggestion of consensus.

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Amen brother. Science is a more fluid term than ever.

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"I am 100% correct in my science until someone or something proves me wrong" - Science, Inc.

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It's a conjecture until proven to match observations better than the current theory.

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TarponChaser said:

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jrdaustin said:

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Old McDonald said:

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science skeptics have been around for a while (lunar landing deniers, vaccines cause autism, etc.), it's just that the low trust types who fall for this stuff have mostly sorted themselves into the same party over the last 10 years

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So what does cause Austism? Since you surely know, enlighten us.

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Genetic mutation.

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And what causes genetic mutation? Is it purely purely hereditary, or is it also possibly environmental? And if environment is a factor in increased instances of autism, WHAT in the environment is contributing?

Do we know?

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No we do not. And it is ridiculous to bombard our kids with vaccines the way we do. They should be spaced out and given at a later age. There is zero reason to give them before kids are ready for school.

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That includes anyone who parroted "100% safe, and effective"

With no proof.

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The proof is we are still alive. Oh wait, never mind everyone who got a vaccine died. Insert "my friends cousins brothers roommate go the Covid shot and had a heart attack" here.

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Funny you should post that. The six people I personally know that "died from covid" were all vaccinated. I do not personally know a single non-vaxxed person who died from covid. I am not an anti-vaxxer, I am an anti-covid vaxxer.

Fact, every single person who didn't get vaccinated will die.

as will every person who did get vaccinated.

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Science is a great basis for how to think. It is less good of a basis for what to think.

There's healthy scientific skepticism, but then there's also unhealthy pseudoscientific and contrarian skepticism.

Yes, science does prove things. The earth is, without a doubt round and not flat. Being skeptical of that fact is pretty much denialist at this point.

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General observations are not what we're talking about.

Look! Teslag and MAROON are both right. Ain't none of us getting out of here alive.

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jrdaustin said:

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TarponChaser said:

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jrdaustin said:

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Old McDonald said:

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science skeptics have been around for a while (lunar landing deniers, vaccines cause autism, etc.), it's just that the low trust types who fall for this stuff have mostly sorted themselves into the same party over the last 10 years

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So what does cause Austism? Since you surely know, enlighten us.

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Genetic mutation.

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And what causes genetic mutation? Is it purely purely hereditary, or is it also possibly environmental? And if environment is a factor in increased instances of autism, WHAT in the environment is contributing?

Do we know?

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No we do not. And it is ridiculous to bombard our kids with vaccines the way we do. They should be spaced out and given at a later age. There is zero reason to give them before kids are ready for school.

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Spacing out leaves infants open to infectious diseases and does not seem to decrease the risk of adverse effects. I will happily vaccinate and care for families that insist on these unproven and potential risky schedules but the infant immune system seems to be more than sufficient to handle the current vaccine load.

Note that I'm talking about tried and true vaccines with proven efficacy over 15+ years. Not flu and COVID.

If I'm forced to pick which vaccines they should do (most parents insist on two shots a visit for some unknown reason) this is my hierchary of importance for infant vaccines. DTaP>PCV20>Rota>IPV>HiB>HepB