I happen to kind of know what Ukraine represents and I know the history of what is happening here.

Ukraine has been a Neocon, Soros controlled state for some time.

Any government that is going to call on Marina Abromovich to be it's education minister has some really serious issues. The common person in Ukraine is fodder.

I am not for Russia, I am for truth and I am against the Neocon/ cabal. and the Russia Russia, Russia scamming liars that are much greater threat to our country then the Russians.

If you want to know the reality of the history of Ukraine and this situation we are in.

Simply watch this 7 minute vid.

The truth about the war with Russian and Ukraine. The same corrupt Elite Globalists who orchestrated the Pandemic and Covid-19 are now pushing the world into World War 3. They do not care if millions die and economies are destroyed, it is all part of their plan. pic.twitter.com/m6ZukrHCxK

— Truth Justice ™ (@SpartaJustice) February 6, 2023

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I dont think many people on random message boards are "putin puppets" but there are people "rooting for russia" for whatever reason along with all or some of the biases that might come along with that.

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There is a difference between 'rooting for Russia' and NOT supporting the Zelensky regime OR this war......... THAT THE WESTERN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES STARTED in 2014 with the "Euromaidan" coup that displaced a legitimately elected government in Kiev.

I can make that statement conclusively while also opposing Putin's oligarchy.

This war started simply because Putin wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia.

It is and has always been a pure land grab.

BlueTaze said:

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On every Ukraine war thread we have several F16 posters consistently call people "Putin apologists/sympathizers" and "Pro-Russia", for acknowledging historical provocation, opposing Ukraine funding, and demanding a peace deal.

Is Tulsi also a Putin puppet? She is likely to head up our national intelligence. Does that concern you, if so, why specifically?

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This is what several Democrats have put out.

People like Wasserman Schultz

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wasserman-schultz-sparks-backlash-claiming-tulsi-gabbard-russian-asset

The NYT (like I said, Democrats)...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/18/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-trump-russia.html

The left wing smear is on...

They are SO ****ING PREDICTABLE..

It's getting pathetic that they can't even hide it.

Teslag said:

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This war started simply because Putin wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia.

It is and has always been a pure land grab.

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This.

This.

THIS!!!!

TheEternalOptimist said:

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JJxvi said:

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I dont think many people on random message boards are "putin puppets" but there are people "rooting for russia" for whatever reason along with all or some of the biases that might come along with that.

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There is a difference between 'rooting for Russia' and NOT supporting the Zelensky regime OR this war......... THAT THE WESTERN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES STARTED in 2014 with the "Euromaidan" coup that displaced a legitimately elected government in Kiev.

I can make that statement conclusively while also opposing Putin's oligarchy.

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Thank you for telling us what Putin's propaganda has put out there.

We appreciate it....

BlueTaze said:

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Talking points are out and virtually every mainstream media outlet is pushing this BS Tulsi Russian asset narrative.

Imagine being in the party with leaders this stupid:

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz says that Tulsi Gabbard is a "Russian asset."

You simply should not be allowed to defame somebody like this on cable TV without consequences. pic.twitter.com/fduHdchEnr

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) November 15, 2024

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Would love to sEe TG walk out on stage as DES is starting to spew her crap.

BlueTaze said:

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Talking points are out and virtually every mainstream media outlet is pushing this BS Tulsi Russian asset narrative.

Imagine being in the party with leaders this stupid:

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz says that Tulsi Gabbard is a "Russian asset."

You simply should not be allowed to defame somebody like this on cable TV without consequences. pic.twitter.com/fduHdchEnr

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) November 15, 2024

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Tulsi could sue her.

She sued Hillary for similar. But dropped it before any discovery took place

Bat signal went out on this thread, usual responses degenerate to exhortations about Ukraine's innocence from the usual folks after initial claims of respecting foreign policy differences. I've been called names by 'them' plenty, whatever. What Tulsi has actually said (and Trump), is what matters, not message board silliness from folks who just buy whatever 'the narrative' is about our foreign policy.

Tulsi: It’s never been about morality. It’s not about the people of Ukraine or protecting democracy. This is about regime change in Russia and exploiting this war to expand NATO.. pic.twitter.com/iIve3QROuD

— Acyn (@Acyn) August 13, 2022

Tulsi: I do not in any way support Putin’s decision to go into Ukraine… If President Biden and NATO had done what you were just talking about in agreeing we’re going to take NATO off the table for Ukraine… this situation could’ve been prevented… pic.twitter.com/espPertdud

— Acyn (@Acyn) February 25, 2022

On Russia/Ukraine, she's been right all along.

This war and suffering could have easily been avoided if Biden Admin/NATO had simply acknowledged Russia’s legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine’s becoming a member of NATO, which would mean US/NATO forces right on Russia’s border

— Tulsi Gabbard 🌺 (@TulsiGabbard) February 24, 2022

It was GCF who labeled her a heretic, originally as a favorite of the Russians, for her wrong think on Syria:

‘The favorite of the Russians’: Tulsi Gabbard, ditched by the Democrats for telling the truth

In just 2 minutes, Tucker Carlson explains why questioning Ukraine isn't an option in the West.

Tucker: “They had to destroy her personally.” pic.twitter.com/jgAT1pVcPO

— Ignorance, the root and stem of all evil (@ivan_8848) November 15, 2024

And of course any rational thinker would hope Ukraine loses/Russia wins in Ukraine, as it makes escalation from Russia unlikely and takes off the table the notional 1.5 trillion dollar 'marshall plan' for Ukraine post-war the Blackrock etc. folks want us to borrow money to fund.

I remember when Sotero chastised Romney for worrying about Russia. Now Russia is the boogeyman for everything.

Teslag said:

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This war started simply because Putin wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia.

It is and has always been a pure land grab.

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What about the 7 minute video posted by OPAG? Is that complete bull**** too?

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I've been called names by 'them' plenty, whatever.

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People have only accused you of being a shill for Russian propaganda and pulling for Russia.

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And of course any rational thinker would hope Ukraine loses/Russia wins in Ukraine

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And I can't imagine why…

BboroAg said:

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Teslag said:

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This war started simply because Putin wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia.

It is and has always been a pure land grab.

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What about the 7 minute video posted by OPAG? Is that complete bull**** too?

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Yes. 100% complete and total bull*****

So was the invasion and seizure of crimea due to ukraines impending NATO inclusion?

Russia has to conquer Eastern European nations to survive, it is in complete and total population collapse. This has much less to do with NATO expansion more than that simple fact

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So was the invasion and seizure of crimea due to ukraines impending NATO inclusion?

Russia has to conquer Eastern European nations to survive, it is in complete and total population collapse. This has much less to do with NATO expansion more than that simple fact

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This. I don't even know why this is being seriously discussed.

Bluto said:

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This. I don't even know why this is being seriously discussed.

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Because the Democrats are pushing it still to this day. Nevermind that it is the democrats who have pushed us into Russia's arms and helped profits go to Russian oligarchs for decades, including via their proxy war and nuclear trade...

Obama-Biden-Clinton's nuclear giveaway to Russia a decade ago comes back to bite America https://t.co/6KLIH90clr

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) November 19, 2024

Who knows; she was a Democrat forever... What I do know is China was a friend when the pandemic first hit according to the left, and everyone in IT Security knew better. All that trash talk about Trump being a Russian puppet, and China is friend was typical leftist nonsense.

Then Biden screamed Trump would get us in a war with Russia too. The irony.

The left is great at getting everyone on their side to believe their propaganda. Most Americans have stopped trusting the mass media for a reason, though.

Teslag said:

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There a few posters that have admitted to literally hoping Russia wins.

There's also a thread literally titled "I'm pulling for Russia" with 118 blue stars…

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3375863

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So?

People can support whoever they want. Just stop telling us no one here does.

It's real simple for me. I don't trust nor take seriously anything a democrat or their propagandist media partners say.

JJxvi said:

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I dont think many people on random message boards are "putin puppets" but there are people "rooting for russia" for whatever reason along with all or some of the biases that might come along with that.

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I think this has to do with the fact that every body that is in full support of the endless stalemate in Ukraine is also very anti-MAGA and pro-establishment. You might not like the Sooners, but you're absolutely rooting for them to stomp Texas every October. It's the globablist/establishment pols v the populist Republicans. MAGA doesn't view Russia as a serious threat to US/NATO security and sees Ukraine as a corrupt cesspool with a western puppet regime installed to oppose Russia.

BlueTaze said:

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Talking points are out and virtually every mainstream media outlet is pushing this BS Tulsi Russian asset narrative.

Imagine being in the party with leaders this stupid:

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz says that Tulsi Gabbard is a "Russian asset."

You simply should not be allowed to defame somebody like this on cable TV without consequences. pic.twitter.com/fduHdchEnr

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) November 15, 2024

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DWS...such a hottie, yet so stupid...

Rossticus said:

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Disagreeing on matters of foreign policy doesn't make one a sympathizer or foreign asset. I've seen nothing to make me believe she's allied with or compromised by a foreign entity or would undertake actions that would pose a risk to US national security.

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you mean joining the military, deploying to a warzone, and rising to the rank of LT COL might not be a traitor?

Loyalty said:

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It's real simple for me. I don't trust nor take seriously anything a democrat or their propagandist media partners say.

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NEVER believe ANY liberal/democrat. Consider it a demonic pagan religion and everything makes sense. Lying is good, degenerate behavior is good, ripping the innocence from children is good. They basically do everything satan would do. Consider them Anti-Christs.

I disagree with Tulsi on taking NATO off the table with regards to Ukraine. If Putin wants to go that route, he then need to give Crimea back to Ukraine. There needs to be consequences for what happened there.

We need to define what winning and losing is. That's one of the core issues in the debate.

Winning for Ukraine in the mind of Zelensky and his cheerleaders here is taking back Crimea and rest of Eastern Ukraine, then joining NATO.

Winning for Ukriane in reality is giving up eastern Ukraine, preserving their dwindling population, maintaining sovereignty in the West, and getting assurances from Russia on no further invasion contingent on no Ukriane NATO accession. (That's considered "losing" for Zelensky fan boys)

Actual losing for Ukraine would be a few more years of Russia taking land by force with possible nuke escalation, until all of Ukraine is annexed by Russia and the Ukrainian male population is totally decimated.

I like Tulsi, but she has been pretty much wrong on every foreign policy of Trumps. Defend her all you want, but she followed the Clinton/Obama stance on playing nice with Iran. Outspoken against solemanis assassination. And she gives Russia a pass on invading Ukraine and blamed NATO.

She will be hard on the intelligence community which is needed, but I really don't like this pick as she will have the ear of the president and she's been wrong more than she's been right.

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Winning for Ukraine in the mind of Zelensky and his cheerleaders here is taking back Crimea and rest of Eastern Ukraine, then joining NATO.

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Why do you keep lying about this? I'm supposedly a "cheerleader" and I'm not even for this. The overwhelming majority of us have said freeze current lines where they are. Then put Ukraine in NATO and it's over today and for the forseeable future.

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I like Tulsi, but she has been pretty much wrong on every foreign policy of Trumps. Defend her all you want, but she followed the Clinton/Obama stance on playing nice with Iran. Outspoken against solemanis assassination. And she gives Russia a pass on invading Ukraine and blamed NATO.

She will be hard on the intelligence community which is needed, but I really don't like this pick as she will have the ear of the president and she's been wrong more than she's been right.

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Very well stated.

This is the lady that blamed Trump for Iran shooting down an airliner.

Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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No she isn't


Anyone claiming people are "putin puppets" are either room temp iqs, or establishment Batman villains

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Did not know Debbie Wasserman Schultz was still around... haven't heard from her in about 4 years.

She must have crawled out of her cave slumber and/or decided that being a gnarly bridge troll was getting old.

Well, that's because that is exactly what it is.

We have a whole generation that has been programmed to hate and fear Russia, Russia Russia when Russian is not near the threat to our freedom or way of life and republic then the cabal that created this corrupt and I will add demonic, regime. This is the home land, they will do everything to hold on to it. ANYTHING, that's why Cheny and the Neocons (and yes including McCain) hated Trump and voted for Kamala, because she was controlled. Trump is not, it's really simple.

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Ukraine is Russia's "homeland"?

But I was told this was about NATO and just needing a buffer? It almost sounds like you're saying this is a land grab...