Term limits should absolutely be a thing. "Public servants". Give me a break. With all the money in politics now, people like Pelosi can literally stay in office for 40 years. Washington established a precedence that 8 years was enough for president. He would be rolling over in his grave if he knew that 8 years in Congress made you a rookie nowadays.

I don't like career politicians.

However, some, a very some, should be leaders for life because they do well and represent well.

I don't know it but there needs to be a better barrier than a couple terms.

On this subject, can't believe Chuck Grassley is 91 and slated to serve till 2028

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD

THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL GET TERM LIMITS IS TO NUKE DC WHEN BOTH HOUSES ARE IN SESSION.

It's a pipe dream to think these corrupt politicians will cut their own throats and stop the money train they all get rich on

This broad's brain has been pickled for a good while now

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Too bad Donald "The Glass Ceiling" Trump wont be eligible to take out a third…

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When he runs against her for her seat it will be must see tv.

Actually, yeah…"This law will not apply to any current member, or member-elect."

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And age limits.

We all know that once people get on that side of 70, things start going downhill mentally, and once on that side of 75, they start going downhill at a faster pace.

Term limits is needed, yes, but just because many on here are got their AARP membership a decade or so ago doesn't mean we can't be honest and admit that at some point, people need to be removed so that younger, fresher, and faster minds can't come in and do the job that's best for the position.

There's a reason our politicians don't move on things, and it's because as long as they "speak" by doing click-bait videos and podcasts for their voters to ditto-head to, their jobs are secure. If that doesn't say more about voters in this country, I don't know what does.

At least with term and age limits, no amount of social media likes and views will be enough to allow politicians to become more like entertainers, instead of the workers they're supposed to be.

Well even the founding fathers wrote extensively on the subject. How it was only for a moral society and the gig would be up when the populace realized that we could continue to just vote ourselves more and more money I believe.

So yes, there's a large part of me that things we're no longer qualified to rule ourselves

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Cynic said:

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20th term.......

And people tell me, "if you don't like them you can vote them out"

Yeah ...right

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I'm very conservative with most things but I just can't understand any principled reasoning behind term limits. All it is is "People won't vote the way I want them to so let's limit their choices for them." Yes, in practice we'd be far better off without career politicians, but people can vote them out. They won't.

This is just a way of saying "People are simply too stupid to know what's good for them so we need to artificially control their choices." If people are going to argue that then let's just get rid of voting instead of pretending we want a government selected by the people and put in some kind of oligarchy instead.

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Well, if no term limits...

How about we limit voting rights? Our system wasn't designed for the career politician, nor was it designed for the idiot uninformed voter.

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It's not realistic but I'd certainly be far more in favor of that in principle.

I used to have this argument with my dad and no matter how he framed the benefits (which I agree that there would be huge benefits) there's no way to get around the fact that it's just a clear statement that while voting sounds good morally it's unacceptable in practice because people are just too stupid and irresponsible.

It would always come down to him trying to tell me about all the advantages the incumbent has and so on and I would ask him how come none of that name recognition and money and such ever determines who he and I vote for and he would pause and say "Well, that's different, we pay attention to things and are informed and don't just vote for who we recognize." So I'd say "I see, so most people are just not as smart as you and I are and therefore aren't deserving of making their own choices, right?" And then he would dodge and stall and tell me how much better it would be if we just didn't have the same politicians over and over, regardless of what people freely choose.

All I'm saying is, just be honest about it. Just say "Having the right to vote sounds nice but I hate it because other people won't vote the way I want." Hell, if we're going to control choices based purely on what would benefit us then let's just cut to the chase and have "Democrat Limits" and tell people they can't vote for Democrats, because they're too stupid to know any better.

Wanting to tell people "You're not allowed to vote for this person or this person because you're too stupid" and then championing representative government is like bowling with the gutter rails up and then bragging about your score. Let's just say screw it, we tried voting but it sucks so put in a damn dictator. Term limits is saying that you want to pretend to let people vote freely.

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How old was your father when you had the debate with him? We have term limits on President, why not on Congress? I'm not even sure if we need term limits as much as we need a year limit. If you're in the Federal Employee Retirement System (all Congress members are), your year limit should be based on your age, minimum retirement age plus 20 years. Under that guideline, Pelosi would have been forced out in 2015.

BTW, this has nothing to do with saying "we don't trust other voters to know what is best for themselves", this is simply admitting people age and need to move on and retire at some point.

I'm good with mandatory retirement at some point and age limits, say age 75. Term limits would probably do just as much harm as good because we would likely rotate as many good people as bad. Again that would limit the voter but like many have said, Democrats are stupid.

That power must be the most irresistible aphrodisiac imaginable. You're 84 woman! Go chill and enjoy family, grandkids, etc. Of course her family are the spawn of satan so I get it.

The real problem with legislators of advanced age with declining mental capacity is, no one knows who is making their decisions, but it certainly isn't the one that voters elected. Hence, runaway bureaucrats at the wheel, deep state BS.

We have the same problem with younger politicians who are beholden to their large contributors. We're not going to eradicate that, however we can mitigate it through term limits.

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20th term.......

And people tell me, "if you don't like them you can vote them out"

Yeah ...right

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I'm very conservative with most things but I just can't understand any principled reasoning behind term limits. All it is is "People won't vote the way I want them to so let's limit their choices for them." Yes, in practice we'd be far better off without career politicians, but people can vote them out. They won't.

This is just a way of saying "People are simply too stupid to know what's good for them so we need to artificially control their choices." If people are going to argue that then let's just get rid of voting instead of pretending we want a government selected by the people and put in some kind of oligarchy instead.

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Then why have term limits on the Presidency?

I think she looks good for an 84 year old woman. Many 84 year olds have dementia, bedridden or dead. She seems very healthy and active.

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I think she looks good for an 84 year old woman. Many 84 year olds have dementia, bedridden or dead. She seems very healthy and active.

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lol have you heard her talk? I don't know if it's the alcohol or the dementia but she is a rambling pile of rocks.

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infinity ag said:

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I think she looks good for an 84 year old woman. Many 84 year olds have dementia, bedridden or dead. She seems very healthy and active.

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lol have you heard her talk? I don't know if it's the alcohol or the dementia but she is a rambling pile of rocks.

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Not lately but I will check it out now that you mention it.

She went up against some young republican asian Berkeley graduate kid from SF. He had no chance.

I believe Pelosi won over 80% of the votes.

I do not understand her popularity in SF.