aglaohfour said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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My only hang up to legal caning would be fear of the left regaining control and unlawfully wielding it against political enemies for the slightest, or even made up infractions.

Because they absolutely would.

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Exactly. Crazy to me that some of y'all would trust the government we have today to carry out this kind of punishment fairly. Do you think every single person who has been caned in Singapore actually deserved that punishment? Should those who were wrongly incarcerated after Jan. 6th have also endured public caning? I don't think so. We undoubtedly need criminal law reform in this country, but expanding the ability of the government to physically harm citizens is not the solution.

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Brother your argument doesn't make sense unless you're arguing against the government punishing literally anything.

I'll never forget how mind blown I was getting on the train from the airport to Tokyo. Everyone just left their bags and suitcases on racks right by the exit doors. Then proceeded to sit down somewhere on the train, completely out of sight of their belongings. I remember thinking "…WTF…I am definitely not in America anymore."

deddog said:

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Urban Ag said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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More freedom means less security. More security means less freedom.

Take your pick.

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How is this relevant to the conversation?

Caning someone as punishment for committing a crime doesn't make me less free but it may provide me more security.

I don't get your point.

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Panzer is correct.
You think the government will stop at caning?

Singapore is beautiful, but it is NOT a free country. It is practically a dictatorship. You follow the rules, if you don't you are deported. Their COVID restrictions were absolutely brutal. Think of Singapore as an uber nanny state. If you are ok with that, and many are, then it's great.

Its the wrong place if you have any independent mindset.

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Having clear laws and rules does not make a dictatorship. I've never felt safer than being in Singapore which is the main purpose of a government. Would the United States government abuse a caning law, probably. Does the Singaporean government abuse it, no. At least they follow through with law unlike the United States which has arbitrary punishments dependent on the whims of a judge or jury.

As I said, reforms need to be made - obviously there are crimes that must be punished. And yeah there are actually crimes that deserve a physical/painful punishment. But I don't think giving THIS government at THIS time more leeway to physically harm US citizens is a road we should go down. Just my opinion.

They execute people who are in possession of X amount of drugs to include weed.

Tanker123 said:

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They execute people who are in possession of X amount of drugs to include weed.

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Helpful hint: don't bring weed there.

Problem solved

"Chewing gum on line, eh?... I hope you brought enough for everybody!"

^ Eliza Fletcher could have been your wife, daughter, mom, aunt, or granddaughter.



^ Shayla Workman could have been your wife, daughter, mom, aunt, or granddaughter.

agsalaska said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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My only hang up to legal caning would be fear of the left regaining control and unlawfully wielding it against political enemies for the slightest, or even made up infractions.

Because they absolutely would.

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ding ding ding.

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Huge difference here: we have a 2nd amendment. Singapore does not. Singapore's stringent law enforcement has the support of citizens, otherwise they would vote to change it.
Our system fosters non-accountability because it would impact certain ethnic groups disproportionately and because the current system guarantees full employment for lawyers and those employed in the legal system. (The legal industrial complex). Capital punishment, for instance, has a guaranteed decades long waiting period due to our appellate process.
I would rather receive a one time caning with medical treatment than spend years in legal limbo, but that's just me. Have the strokes administered by machine to remove the human element.

Quo Vadis? said:

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Tanker123 said:

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They execute people who are in possession of X amount of drugs to include weed.

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Helpful hint: don't bring weed there.

Problem solved

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Still a shame for the people who live there. Spending a decade in prison for a victimless crime is backwards as hell.

But…by all means drown yourself in alcohol to the point of passing out on the sidewalk. That part is wild.

Gig em G said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Tanker123 said:

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They execute people who are in possession of X amount of drugs to include weed.

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Helpful hint: don't bring weed there.

Problem solved

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Still a shame for the people who live there. Spending a decade in prison for a victimless crime is backwards as hell.

But…by all means drown yourself in alcohol to the point of passing out on the sidewalk. That part is wild.

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You would be amazed at what baggage simple weed brings along with it. I'm in Abu Dhabi right now, they have very strict laws on drugs like Singapore. Everything is immaculate, theres no crime, everyone is polite, you can play at a park with your kids at 10pm, you can leave your door unlocked. Singapore is the same way.

Gig em G said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Tanker123 said:

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They execute people who are in possession of X amount of drugs to include weed.

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Helpful hint: don't bring weed there.

Problem solved

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Still a shame for the people who live there. Spending a decade in prison for a victimless crime is backwards as hell.

But…by all means drown yourself in alcohol to the point of passing out on the sidewalk. That part is wild.

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They don't view introduction of drugs into their society as victimless. I think they are correct.

Quo Vadis? said:

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Gig em G said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Tanker123 said:

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They execute people who are in possession of X amount of drugs to include weed.

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Helpful hint: don't bring weed there.

Problem solved

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Still a shame for the people who live there. Spending a decade in prison for a victimless crime is backwards as hell.

But…by all means drown yourself in alcohol to the point of passing out on the sidewalk. That part is wild.

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You would be amazed at what baggage simple weed brings along with it. I'm in Abu Dhabi right now, they have very strict laws on drugs like Singapore. Everything is immaculate, theres no crime, everyone is polite, you can play at a park with your kids at 10pm, you can leave your door unlocked. Singapore is the same way.

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Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean there isn't crime in these 3rd world countries. Enjoy your times in Islamic lands.

Alcohol is a drug btw. I've never been to Singapore, but in Japan walking by drunk salarymen slumped over on subway trains or at stations was a very common sight to see after midnight.

If the presence of weed is not a victimless crime, the presence of alcohol should be treated the same by those standards.

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Alcohol is a drug btw. I've never been to Singapore, but in Japan walking by drunk salarymen slumped over on subway trains or at stations was a very common sight to see after midnight.

If the presence of weed is not a victimless crime, the presence of alcohol should be treated the same by those standards.

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If they agreed, they would prohibit it.

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Tea Party said:

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agsalaska said:

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We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans

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We are a weak society and how we have devolved is proof that the status quo is not working. If we fix our culture, then you would have a point but our government is so big and essentially thrives off of a degrading culture.

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Just know that you are no better than a Democrat who also wants to throw out the constitution.

Sad what has happened to some of yall.

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"I disagree with you, so I will call you a democrat!"

That is a weak ass argument. Do better.

deddog said:

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Urban Ag said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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More freedom means less security. More security means less freedom.

Take your pick.

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How is this relevant to the conversation?

Caning someone as punishment for committing a crime doesn't make me less free but it may provide me more security.

I don't get your point.

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Panzer is correct.
You think the government will stop at caning?

Singapore is beautiful, but it is NOT a free country. It is practically a dictatorship. You follow the rules, if you don't you are deported. Their COVID restrictions were absolutely brutal. Think of Singapore as an uber nanny state. If you are ok with that, and many are, then it's great.

Its the wrong place if you have any independent mindset.

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I see no fault with this, I wish our country had such a stance on illegals, invaders and those that come here and show they have zero respect for our laws or customs.

Singapore is hardcore. Death penalty for drugs. Caning for fairly minor offenses. And it isn't like getting paddled. Apparently it is devastatingly painful.

Just to show how much America is misrepresented in the worldwide news media, I spoke to someone from Singapore. They were asking if the US is really harsh towards immigrants and criminals. That is all they hear from the news.

I let them know that we have a huge illegal immigration and drug problem in this country that we are very lenient on and asked them what they do in Singapore. They said that anyone there illegally is arrested and deported and anyone caught with drugs is canned or executed. They were surprised at the difference they hear in the media.

misterguinness said:

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deddog said:

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Urban Ag said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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More freedom means less security. More security means less freedom.

Take your pick.

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How is this relevant to the conversation?

Caning someone as punishment for committing a crime doesn't make me less free but it may provide me more security.

I don't get your point.

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Panzer is correct.
You think the government will stop at caning?

Singapore is beautiful, but it is NOT a free country. It is practically a dictatorship. You follow the rules, if you don't you are deported. Their COVID restrictions were absolutely brutal. Think of Singapore as an uber nanny state. If you are ok with that, and many are, then it's great.

Its the wrong place if you have any independent mindset.

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Having clear laws and rules does not make a dictatorship. I've never felt safer than being in Singapore which is the main purpose of a government. Would the United States government abuse a caning law, probably. Does the Singaporean government abuse it, no. At least they follow through with law unlike the United States which has arbitrary punishments dependent on the whims of a judge or jury.

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Singapore is indeed very clear about rules, and when the government makes up new rules you have no recourse whatsoever.

I have expat family that lives there. COVID was destructive for them. When returning from the US my niece had 2 options:
- wear an ankle monitor in your own house, and never leave the room for a month. If you left the room, you were kicked out of the country
- stay in a hotel room for a month, no contact with family. You are not given a door key. If you were found outside the room, you were kicked out of the country

It is gorgeous, and is a financial powerhouse. But if you think the US government is overbearing, you aint' seen nothing. I could never live there.

All you caning fans should get together and move up Singapore.

To be fair, Singapore is a beautiful place so maybe you'll be happy there.

schmellba99 said:

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deddog said:

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Urban Ag said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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More freedom means less security. More security means less freedom.

Take your pick.

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How is this relevant to the conversation?

Caning someone as punishment for committing a crime doesn't make me less free but it may provide me more security.

I don't get your point.

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Panzer is correct.
You think the government will stop at caning?

Singapore is beautiful, but it is NOT a free country. It is practically a dictatorship. You follow the rules, if you don't you are deported. Their COVID restrictions were absolutely brutal. Think of Singapore as an uber nanny state. If you are ok with that, and many are, then it's great.

Its the wrong place if you have any independent mindset.

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I see no fault with this, I wish our country had such a stance on illegals, invaders and those that come here and show they have zero respect for our laws or customs.

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Not faulty at all. They are very clear about how you should live life there.
I couldn't live there (too much Texan at this point) , but a lot of people do, and are very successful.
Also a phenomenal place to visit.

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Singapore is hardcore. Death penalty for drugs. Caning for fairly minor offenses.

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death for prohibited drug use but you get to live for any other crime outside of major offenses? Sounds totally sane and reasonable

aglaohfour said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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My only hang up to legal caning would be fear of the left regaining control and unlawfully wielding it against political enemies for the slightest, or even made up infractions.

Because they absolutely would.

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Exactly. Crazy to me that some of y'all would trust the government we have today to carry out this kind of punishment fairly. Do you think every single person who has been caned in Singapore actually deserved that punishment? Should those who were wrongly incarcerated after Jan. 6th have also endured public caning? I don't think so. We undoubtedly need criminal law reform in this country, but expanding the ability of the government to physically harm citizens is not the solution.

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The same could be said about any form of punishment.

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agsalaska said:

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We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans

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It's not like our current system of wrist slaps and releasing criminals directly onto the streets in soros DA jurisdiction is stopping crime

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Extremes on either end of the scale are rarely a solid solution.

^ Brianna Kupfer could have been your wife, daughter, aunt, or granddaughter.

American Caned

I remember this story. I thought he spit gum on the sidewalk but it was car vandalism.

misterguinness said:

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deddog said:

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Urban Ag said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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More freedom means less security. More security means less freedom.

Take your pick.

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How is this relevant to the conversation?

Caning someone as punishment for committing a crime doesn't make me less free but it may provide me more security.

I don't get your point.

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Panzer is correct.
You think the government will stop at caning?

Singapore is beautiful, but it is NOT a free country. It is practically a dictatorship. You follow the rules, if you don't you are deported. Their COVID restrictions were absolutely brutal. Think of Singapore as an uber nanny state. If you are ok with that, and many are, then it's great.

Its the wrong place if you have any independent mindset.

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Having clear laws and rules does not make a dictatorship. I've never felt safer than being in Singapore which is the main purpose of a government. Would the United States government abuse a caning law, probably. Does the Singaporean government abuse it, no. At least they follow through with law unlike the United States which has arbitrary punishments dependent on the whims of a judge or jury.

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Like the 34 Felonies my liberal friends keep yammering about

deddog said:

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Urban Ag said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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More freedom means less security. More security means less freedom.

Take your pick.

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How is this relevant to the conversation?

Caning someone as punishment for committing a crime doesn't make me less free but it may provide me more security.

I don't get your point.

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Panzer is correct.
You think the government will stop at caning?

Singapore is beautiful, but it is NOT a free country. It is practically a dictatorship. You follow the rules, if you don't you are deported. Their COVID restrictions were absolutely brutal. Think of Singapore as an uber nanny state. If you are ok with that, and many are, then it's great.

Its the wrong place if you have any independent mindset.

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We need far more deportations from the USA.

🚨Warning. Disturbing video. 🚨
Linda Frickey's family asked that we share this video with the public of the moments leading up to the carjacking that claimed her life. They want to bring awareness to the crime problem in the city. View at your own risk >> https://t.co/XQyYaw0BQr pic.twitter.com/VMOltcWu8R

— wdsu (@wdsu) March 22, 2022

73 year old Linda Frickey could have been your mom, grandmother, wife, or aunt. She died when she was dragged to death in a carjacking. Her arm was severed. Four teenagers: a 17 year old boy and three younger girls committed the murder.

Cruel and unusual?

Seriously?

Singapore has civic pride. There is a high level of education. They are sophisticated. They are not cruel. They believe in justice.

You may not like it but it is not unusual by any stretch and i would argue that it is not cruel. Painful and harsh yes. But not cruel. They arent locked in stocks and left to die, put in a Oubliette and literally forgotten, their hand chopped off, guillotined, put in an electric chair, or shot by firing squad.

This is done in private with a doctor monitoring. It is designed to hurt. To shame. To prevent. And to punish. That's what it does.