The Reason Why Singapore Is Beautiful: Caning

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"What he said next surprised me. He said he would never do what he did again. He wasn't afraid of jail time but the caning was something he would never want to go through again. He told me he blacked after the first stroke of the cane that split the skin off his tail bone and blood spurted out. He had to be stitched up. Rested for a few days and the canning continued for the remaining 3 strokes. He could not sit on his butt for days and would sleep face down. He said he feared the caning more than his time in jail."

Others have had trouble controlling their bowels after the caning.

Matt Walsh: "One of the basics of human psychology is that every person on the planet responds to incentives and disincentives. The idea of being stripped naked and beaten so hard with a cane that the guy doing the caning has to take breaks to let his arm rest throughout the ordeal is a disincentive. Criminals in the United States are convinced that there will not be any significant penalty. If they do end up with a short stint in prison, the experience is only likely to increase their street cred. An added element of extremely painful corporal punishment creates a profound disincentive so even those unbothered by prison would be bothered by it. Caning is also humiliating, degrading, emasculating. Which means the experience isn't going to enhance anybody's street cred. You are not going to get out of prison bragging about getting caned. It is not the kind of thing you can imagine a rapper boasting about in a song. That is precisely why it is an effective form of punishment. When you think about the types of penalty we should have for violent criminals. If it is the kind of penalty you can imagine a rapper bragging about in a song that becomes a big hit and streamed a 100 million times on Spotify. If it is that kind of penalty, then it is not a good penalty. Let's imagine penalties they would be too embarrassed and too ashamed to brag about. Those are the good penalties. Those are the effective ones."

Idaho would have the appetite for this. Idaho recently passed the firing squad into law for the death penalty. Also Idaho in the recent past elected Janice McGeachin to lieutenant governor. Also Idaho is a state full of Republican refugees who fled Democrat states over two issues: crime and taxes. https://sos.idaho.gov/dashboards/moving-voters/ Obviously it would be immediately stayed by the federal court system, but they could eventually get in front of the new 6-3 conservative majority on the Supreme Court. Many people don't understand that our Supreme Court was supermajority liberal for the better part of the last 100 years. The liberals did not actually get much of their garbage through Congress. It was passed by liberal judicial activists in the courts when they had control for almost a century.
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We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans
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The System
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I support caning/physical punishment of criminals.
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Spare the rod, spoil the child
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agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans



It's not like our current system of wrist slaps and releasing criminals directly onto the streets in soros DA jurisdiction is stopping crime
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Supporting cruel and unusual punishment makes you no better than a progressive who wants to eliminate the electoral college. It is a founding principal of this country.

If you don't like the current system fix it. I agree. What we do now is a waist of time. But let's not rip up the constitution in the process.

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Maroon Dawn said:

agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans



It's not like our current system of wrist slaps and releasing criminals directly onto the streets in soros DA jurisdiction is stopping crime
It's also incredibly expensive. For those that want prison reform, this is it. Would you rather lock a guy up for 6 months to a year, paying for 3 hots and a cot, or whisk him away from the courthouse, whip his ass a few times in public, and send him out on his merry way?
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It's never happening so it doesn't matter.

It's very painful but I don't think it's cruel. The miscreant is in pain for a few days and it's over.
Giving somebody a whooping on their rear doesn't seem unusual.

It's cruel and unusual punishment fir victims of repeat offenders that will not obey the law and repeatedly rob and assault people.
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Matt may believe this would be effective in curbing crime. Hell, who are we kidding, no doubt it would be.

At the same time he's smart enough to know it will never happen here. And that makes it a grade A troll on Matt's part. Surprised he could keep a straight face.

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It's beautiful because it rains everyday.
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agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans

We are a weak society and how we have devolved is proof that the status quo is not working. If we fix our culture, then you would have a point but our government is so big and essentially thrives off of a degrading culture.

Rather than caning, I'd rather we have a smaller government and let some good ole frontier justice put the fear back into the criminals.
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agsalaska said:

Supporting cruel and unusual punishment makes you no better than a progressive who wants to eliminate the electoral college. It is a founding principal of this country.

If you don't like the current system fix it. I agree. What we do now is a waist of time. But let's not rip up the constitution in the process.




What about bringing back the chain gangs?
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Who gets to define "cruel and unusual"? Is it the same members of the legislative and judicial branches that determined prison chain gains are cruel? The same ones that decided 3 strikes is cruel? The same that decided bail is cruel? Yeah, I'm good being on the other side of those losers.
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Tea Party said:

agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans

We are a weak society and how we have devolved is proof that the status quo is not working. If we fix our culture, then you would have a point but our government is so big and essentially thrives off of a degrading culture.


Just know that you are no better than a Democrat who also wants to throw out the constitution.

Sad what has happened to some of yall.
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Huge fan of corporal punishment. It's cheap, fast, and provides an actual deterrent.

How many career criminals are comfy in jail? Medical care, food, play cards all day? How many of them want to get beaten with a stick? Likely none.
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Matt Walsh would be perfectly fine with a government that kept society crushed under its thumb, so as long as it did so in the name of Christianity. His ideal county is the US in "Escape from LA."

Totalitarianism is evil no matter whether it is in the name of Marxism or in the name of God.
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The System said:

I support caning/physical punishment of criminals.
I'll see your caning and I'll raise you - beheading

Say what you will but, it works and the recidivism rate is zero.

There are a lot of things to dislike about living in Saudi Arabia but crime was never a problem.

Opposite end of the spectrum was living in Australia where it's OK to murder your wife, child, or random backpackers you pick up at the bus stop - as long as you show remorse and say you're genuinely sorry about it.
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agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans



If we started caning regularly, it would no longer be unusual. "Cruel" is subjective. You're free to argue this angle, but acting like its clear as a bell because the constitution says so is bunk.
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Some of yall are too soft. We need stricter punishments for crime, but we are going the other way.
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As an aside, if the choice was two years in prison or get the **** whipped out of me with a cane, I'd take the caning.

I got **** to do man I can't sit around in prison. Bills to pay and stuff.
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agsalaska said:

Tea Party said:

agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans

We are a weak society and how we have devolved is proof that the status quo is not working. If we fix our culture, then you would have a point but our government is so big and essentially thrives off of a degrading culture.


Just know that you are no better than a Democrat who also wants to throw out the constitution.

Sad what has happened to some of yall.
Lighten up Francis from your ivory tower.

You want the status quo of no improvement but at least no ones backside gets scarred. That very "timeout" instead of spanking mindset is exactly what has made our society so weak.

I want our culture to improve and if means harsh criminals get the rod then so be it. Ideally it's the people giving criminals the rod instead of big bloated gov, but I digress.
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I'm looking forward to the post calling someone defending the constitution a concerned moderate.

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It's not cruel and unusual. I would argue spending months in prison constantly at risk of being beaten and raped is more cruel.
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agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans



But we're ok with executing criminals? I'd say death is a little more "cruel" than a caning.
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agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans



Death penalty?

Particularly the youth under 18

Only way to save them

Once you hit 18 short of a miracle you'll never recover

And the embarrassment.
It changes folks.
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Tea Party said:

agsalaska said:

Tea Party said:

agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans

We are a weak society and how we have devolved is proof that the status quo is not working. If we fix our culture, then you would have a point but our government is so big and essentially thrives off of a degrading culture.


Just know that you are no better than a Democrat who also wants to throw out the constitution.

Sad what has happened to some of yall.
Lighten up Francis from your ivory tower.

You want the status quo of no improvement but at least no ones backside gets scarred. That very "timeout" instead of spanking mindset is exactly what has made our society so weak.

I want our culture to improve and if means harsh criminals get the rod then so be it.


At no point did I say I wanted the status quo. Now you are just putting words in my mouth. You can do better than that.
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Forgot to add that when you arrive in Singapore and also Malaysia, they have big signs up at the airport that state that the penalty for trafficking drugs is death.

So imagine my surprise when I was watching Fatboy Slim at the 2019 Formula 1 and these two Dutch - Max Verstappen fans offered me a joint. I ran like hell away from that. (or as the Indians say - Go Like Hell) Are you guys insane?

I think the lack of Mary Jane in SG was one of the main reasons why the Red Hot Chili Peppers were such a huge disappointment as the headliner at the 2019 Singapore Formula 1 post-race concert.
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If you like it so much move to ****ing Singapore.
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Hungry Ojos said:

agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans



But we're ok with executing criminals? I'd say death is a little more "cruel" than a caning.


It's a bizarre argument. Capital punishment isn't going away anytime soon so why is he trying to argue that caning is worse than death?

I'd rather we cane people than leave them in jail for years.
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agsalaska said:

I'm looking forward to the post calling someone defending the constitution a concerned moderate.


What's cruel and unusual?

At the time of the writing of the constitution, hanging was a common method used for the death penalty. Shoot, the guillotine in France was designed as a "less cruel" version of beheading.

We've gone from public hangings to being afraid that a death row inmate may feel a little pain from the lethal injection drugs.

So I ask again...what's cruel and unusual?

Is solitary confinement cruel and unusual?

Is locking someone up with other hardened criminals cruel and unusual?
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agsalaska said:

I'm looking forward to the post calling someone defending the constitution a concerned moderate.
No, you're just wrong.

As has been stated, the punishee will recover, so it's not that cruel. We do the same to children with much lesser force as to cause pain but not injury, so it's not unusual.

And it's bound to be far more effective than what we're doing now. In fact, a big factor in the number of folks being incarcerated is a lack of a father to whoop their ass when they were growning up.
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The fact that someone will recover does not mean that it is not cruel.


Thats…shall we say.. that is the kind of logic that is hard to argue with.
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agsalaska said:

We don't need to be canning people in the US.

We have a constitution that protects us from cruel and u usual punishment. That absolutely falls in that category.

Supporting that stuff is not right wing or hard right or conservative. It is just nonsense. I find it very unfortunate that people that support this kind of **** tend to align themselves with Republicans

I find it very unfortunate that this type of violent crime happens to innocent hard working law abiding people in our country. I guess you don't care about them. I encourage you to watch the video in the second link all the way through.



https://usacrime.com/man-charged-capital-murder-fatally-shooting-tupelo-store-clerk/

I find it unfortunate that people that support any kind of policy that allows this kind of stuff to happen in the richest and most powerful country in human history would ever align themselves with Republicans.

The only reason the United States has a 40 times higher murder rate than Japan, despite being 9 times less densely populated, is because our government allow it through soft on crime policies. Yes 40 times the murder rate. Not 40 percent more, but 40 times more.

Japan and Singapore are safe, clean, and beautiful.
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My only hang up to legal caning would be fear of the left regaining control and unlawfully wielding it against political enemies for the slightest, or even made up infractions.

Because they absolutely would.
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DrEvazanPhD said:

agsalaska said:

I'm looking forward to the post calling someone defending the constitution a concerned moderate.


What's cruel and unusual?

At the time of the writing of the constitution, hanging was a common method used for the death penalty. Shoot, the guillotine in France was designed as a "less cruel" version of beheading.

We've gone from public hangings to being afraid that a death row inmate may feel a little pain from the lethal injection drugs.

So I ask again...what's cruel and unusual?

Is solitary confinement cruel and unusual?

Is locking someone up with other hardened criminals cruel and unusual?


There an endless amount of literature and court decisions around what is and is not considered cruel and unusual in the US. For the most part physical punishments(canning) is considered cruel, while psychological punishmen(isolation) is sometimes not considered cruel. It is also generally considered an individual punishment, not collective.

Yes some things have changed since the founders but the basic principles have not.

I suggest anyone who is truly interested in it should do some further reading on the subject.
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