Last month my wife and I were on a cruise to the Eastern Canadian provinces. One day the ship docked in Halifax, Nova Scotia. While we were walking along the boardwalk I saw a woman walking her Welsh Corgi. Of course I did the stupid thing and stopped to pet the dog. Next thing you know she finds out we're from the United States and brings up politics...and asks who we're voting for. I bit my lip but my wife took the bait. The lady has a fit and begins to tell us our guy is a terrible human being who has abused women. I tell her I fear for the safety of my grandkids who live two hours from the border where the current administration has let in over 12 million unvetted people. She continues her rant. I then tell her our economy is a mess under the current administration and people are struggling financially. It did no good so I finally tell her to have a nice day and walked away.

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It doesn't happen very often but the last time someone said something to me about a Trump hat I was wearing, I took a different approach.

I was at store a while back and this woman and her husband were next to me and she something like I can't believe you support a man like Trump. I replied that I can't believe you are supporting someone who slept her way to the top and has the IQ of driftwood. This went on for a couple minutes and I finally said if you say another word , im going to beat your husband's ass right here and now. His eyes got big and he grabbed her hand walked off. Hopefully that guy will keep her ignorant trap shut from now on.

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1. This didn't happen
2. This is dumb.
3. This response shows how insecure you are. Who cares if some woman gives you grief. She isn't a threat. Make your points and move on with life. If she follows and harrasses that is a different story.

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Apparently you're insecure if you stand up for yourself when you're being intimidated for simply existing.

This is why our country has gone the direction it has gone. The left uses intimidation tactics with impunity.

You know what that lady learned that day? She learned to shut her ****ing mouth. I promise she'll never do it again.

We need more people standing their ground when unhinged leftists feel the need to intimidate.

Such a tough guy.

If you can't intellectually outwit a Harris supporter then that says more about you then her.

When you have reason and truth on your side you merely discredit that logical advantage by offering physical violence especially when there was no threat made.

I have, so? Pretty sure the 40+ slurs, curse words, and threats of violence while may be considered "fighting words" which would not be protected under free speech. Also the guy shouldn't be sitting on another man's property enough such that the car alarm goes off. Didn't need to come to threats of violence, gay slurs, curse words directed at a person. But when the man sitting on the car was surrounded he punched the person who was continuously threatening him with violence

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If you can't intellectually outwit a Harris supporter then that says more about you then her.

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You cannot outwit emotional lunacy.

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And I gotta say, anyone who says they are voting for Trump based on morality gets an eye roll from me. Morality left his life a long time ago.

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Compared to Kamala? Trump has the moral high ground

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Regardless of which one has the "high ground," they are both the antithesis of virtuous, ethical people.

Pretty much the same reaction I got from my next door neighbor when I asked her to help me understand why she thought Trump LITERALLY wanted to kill her.

In the same tone of voice as this sweet lady, she screamed that she now considered me every bit of the same threat against her as Trump for simply asking her that question.

That was a couple of months ago. We haven't spoken since.

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Such a tough guy.

If you can't intellectually outwit a Harris supporter then that says more about you then her.

When you have reason and truth on your side you merely discredit that logical advantage by offering physical violence especially when there was no threat made.

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What gives any person the right to get in someone's face because of their political beliefs? Why the **** would anyone try to outwit a person that is so unhinged that they feel the need to confront someone they don't even know?

Are you listening to yourself?

It's not about being a tough guy, it's about standing up for yourself and not allowing this crap to happen over and over and over again.

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Sad that there are older folks burning up the ever-more-limited days on this earth, with so much misery and anger in their heart. She should get the mental health assistance she needs and enjoy life a little. How about her blood pressure?

Unless they are all hard-core Church of Dem, I bet her family doesn't want to be around her at all.

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Likely single, bitter and alone.
Or as Kamala would say, Full of Joy

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Oh, I'm sure she has a few cats to keep her company....

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Such a tough guy.

If you can't intellectually outwit a Harris supporter then that says more about you then her.

When you have reason and truth on your side you merely discredit that logical advantage by offering physical violence especially when there was no threat made.

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Forgetting you're just an internet tough guy in public has consequences. People forget that and need a reminder from time to time.

Tell me again why people think it's the liberal left who are the tolerant ones?

If you live where I live , I'm surprised this hasn't happened to you if you wear anything Trump. That said, you absolutely could tell that the husband has been through this more than once by the look on his face as she started it. Obviously I had no intention of just punching the guy but I just considered this would end the conversation and I was right. I'm not a small fellow so usually words can defuse most confrontations.

Another quick story, when I was in line on Monday to vote, the guy standing next to me was definitely voting blue but we had a grand time talking about everything but politics for the entire 45 minute wait. I'm too old to look for fights but I damn sure not going take any bs from some lib.

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Last month my wife and I were on a cruise to the Eastern Canadian provinces. One day the ship docked in Halifax, Nova Scotia. While we were walking along the boardwalk I saw a woman walking her Welsh Corgi. Of course I did the stupid thing and stopped to pet the dog. Next thing you know she finds out we're from the United States and brings up politics...and asks who we're voting for. I bit my lip but my wife took the bait. The lady has a fit and begins to tell us our guy is a terrible human being who has abused women. I tell her I fear for the safety of my grandkids who live two hours from the border where the current administration has let in over 12 million unvetted people. She continues her rant. I then tell her our economy is a mess under the current administration and people are struggling financially. It did no good so I finally tell her to have a nice day and walked away.

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You are so weak. Should have kicked her dog and threatened physical harm /tough guy texag posters.

This seems like the normal healthy adult response. And doesn't break any laws so that is a plus.

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Such a tough guy.

If you can't intellectually outwit a Harris supporter then that says more about you then her.

When you have reason and truth on your side you merely discredit that logical advantage by offering physical violence especially when there was no threat made.

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Forgetting you're just an internet tough guy in public has consequences. People forget that and need a reminder from time to time.

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Sure it does. Threatening violence as a response is a good way to eventually find trouble.

If you do actually assault someone have fun with that legal nightmare. Yes your judge but the woman said mean things about trump. That will go over great.

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Last month my wife and I were on a cruise to the Eastern Canadian provinces. One day the ship docked in Halifax, Nova Scotia. While we were walking along the boardwalk I saw a woman walking her Welsh Corgi. Of course I did the stupid thing and stopped to pet the dog. Next thing you know she finds out we're from the United States and brings up politics...and asks who we're voting for. I bit my lip but my wife took the bait. The lady has a fit and begins to tell us our guy is a terrible human being who has abused women. I tell her I fear for the safety of my grandkids who live two hours from the border where the current administration has let in over 12 million unvetted people. She continues her rant. I then tell her our economy is a mess under the current administration and people are struggling financially. It did no good so I finally tell her to have a nice day and walked away.

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You are so weak. Should have kicked her dog and threatened physical harm /tough guy texag posters.

This seems like the normal healthy adult response. And doesn't break any laws so that is a plus.

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No, a weak person would be you. Someone that allows people to walk all over you and intimidate you with impunity.

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It doesn't happen very often but the last time someone said something to me about a Trump hat I was wearing, I took a different approach.

I was at store a while back and this woman and her husband were next to me and she something like I can't believe you support a man like Trump. I replied that I can't believe you are supporting someone who slept her way to the top and has the IQ of driftwood. This went on for a couple minutes and I finally said if you say another word , im going to beat your husband's ass right here and now. His eyes got big and he grabbed her hand walked off. Hopefully that guy will keep her ignorant trap shut from now on.

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So you threatened to beat someone else up because someone different verbally argued with you?

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I don't see anything wrong with it. Liberals need to STFU and stop thinking its ok to go up to someone and verbally harass them.

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Correction you don't see anything wrong with it because it would be your "Side" doing the ass kicking. As long as you agree with the point of view physical assault is ok in your book whereas it would not be ok if it was your side being assaulted. And "kicking the ass" of a person that didn't say anything is ok with you?

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It's really very simple. Invade my personal space and verbally harass me, lose some teeth. I really don't care about your politics at that point.

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Physically assaulting someone who is engaging you only verbally will usually end up with the assaulter going to court, jail, or both, cost you a lot of money, and becoming a permanent part of the criminal justice system. It is NOT worth it just so you can say 'Well I guess I showed him!' The prosecutor would LOVE to make an example of a stone cold killer Marine who has no/little self control.


I suggest a different approach; Say to this person "If I can prove to you empirically that our country was far better off under Trump than Biden/Harris, would you be willing to change your mind?" If they say yes, then show them. If they say NO, then I'd tell them that they have been fooled and it's kind of sad that they won't acknowledge facts instead of feelings, and just walk away. They aren't worth your time.

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Last month my wife and I were on a cruise to the Eastern Canadian provinces. One day the ship docked in Halifax, Nova Scotia. While we were walking along the boardwalk I saw a woman walking her Welsh Corgi. Of course I did the stupid thing and stopped to pet the dog. Next thing you know she finds out we're from the United States and brings up politics...and asks who we're voting for. I bit my lip but my wife took the bait. The lady has a fit and begins to tell us our guy is a terrible human being who has abused women. I tell her I fear for the safety of my grandkids who live two hours from the border where the current administration has let in over 12 million unvetted people. She continues her rant. I then tell her our economy is a mess under the current administration and people are struggling financially. It did no good so I finally tell her to have a nice day and walked away.

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My response to her would have been, "Nunya".

And then walked on.

But of course, our wives don't understand that this is the only way to answer a complete stranger who is asking who we are voting for.

You are quite angry.
1. The woman wouldn't walk all over me because I know how to engage in debates in an effective manner.
2. The poster likely is looking for interactions like that. So he got what he wanted.
3. It is not healthy for politicial discourse to result in physical threats. If you find that happening, something is likely wrong with you.

WOULD YOU IDIOTS SHUT THE **** UP?!!

Enough with the Red Herring tactics on this thread...

You want to argue about how Vermin reacted to someone, start your own thread.

Oh my gosh, you are so right! We met another couple from Ontario who loves Trump and hates Trudeau. It was refreshing!

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You are quite angry.
1. The woman wouldn't walk all over me because I know how to engage in debates in an effective manner.
2. The poster likely is looking for interactions like that. So he got what he wanted.
3. It is not healthy for politicial discourse to result in physical threats. If you find that happening, something is likely wrong with you.

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How exactly am I angry? I just don't take people threatening and intimidating me lightly. These kinds of things didn't happen 20 years ago, because people actually respected one another.

And again, you don't engage in debates with someone who is unhinged. The fact a person feels compelled to confront someone they don't even know proves that they are unhinged. I mean, who the **** does that? Not a sane person.

If someone confronts me while I am minding my own business, I am going to assume they have hostile intentions and I will respond in kind.

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And I gotta say, anyone who says they are voting for Trump based on morality gets an eye roll from me. Morality left his life a long time ago.

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If I wanted to set you off screaming on my porch for a good laugh, it's exactly what I would say to you.

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Pretty much the same reaction I got from my next door neighbor when I asked her to help me understand why she thought Trump LITERALLY wanted to kill her.

In the same tone of voice as this sweet lady, she screamed that she now considered me every bit of the same threat against her as Trump for simply asking her that question.

That was a couple of months ago. We haven't spoken since.

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Dig a hole in your backyard in the middle of the night for absolutely no reason. Bury 2-3 trash bags of lawn debris. Never speak of it again.

Every time you see Karen nob and smile. Nod and smile.

All I got out of this is CDUMB98 is immoral and unchristian. So just like Trump and Kamala.

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And I gotta say, anyone who says they are voting for Trump based on morality gets an eye roll from me. Morality left his life a long time ago.

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Compared to Kamala? Trump has the moral high ground

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Regardless of which one has the "high ground," they are both the antithesis of virtuous, ethical people.

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We don't have to live with the president. But we do have to live with their policies.

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It doesn't happen very often but the last time someone said something to me about a Trump hat I was wearing, I took a different approach.

I was at store a while back and this woman and her husband were next to me and she something like I can't believe you support a man like Trump. I replied that I can't believe you are supporting someone who slept her way to the top and has the IQ of driftwood. This went on for a couple minutes and I finally said if you say another word , im going to beat your husband's ass right here and now. His eyes got big and he grabbed her hand walked off. Hopefully that guy will keep her ignorant trap shut from now on.

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1. This didn't happen
2. This is dumb.
3. This response shows how insecure you are. Who cares if some woman gives you grief. She isn't a threat. Make your points and move on with life. If she follows and harrasses that is a different story.

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Apparently you're insecure if you stand up for yourself when you're being intimidated for simply existing.

This is why our country has gone the direction it has gone. The left uses intimidation tactics with impunity.

You know what that lady learned that day? She learned to shut her ****ing mouth. I promise she'll never do it again.

We need more people standing their ground when unhinged leftists feel the need to intimidate.

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Your Political opinions are not exempt from criticism. As you express yourself politically so can people that disagree with you. The line is crossed when one threatens to silence the other with violence. THAT is intimidation.

As wrong as it is for Danny to threaten an associate of the person expressing political criticism with violence, it is equally wrong for someone to say to Danny "put that hat away if I see that hat again I'm going to punch your wife"

It's ironic that you say the left uses intimidation tactics when you turn right around explained how Danny used intimidation (via a threat) to shut her up.

I can't believe there are people who believe either major candidate is some sort of "moral high ground" as a person. Now, if we start examining their positions on a plethora of societal issues, as well as who (or what organization) jumps to support the candidates based on those societal issues, the choice becomes clear.

For crying out loud, one wants to sterilize mentally ill children while her running mate signed a bill that would allow abortions up until birth. That's some real "high ground" to die on.

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Pretty much the same reaction I got from my next door neighbor when I asked her to help me understand why she thought Trump LITERALLY wanted to kill her.

In the same tone of voice as this sweet lady, she screamed that she now considered me every bit of the same threat against her as Trump for simply asking her that question.

That was a couple of months ago. We haven't spoken since.

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Dig a hole in your backyard in the middle of the night for absolutely no reason. Bury 2-3 trash bags of lawn debris. Never speak of it again.

Every time you see Karen nob and smile. Nod and smile.

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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It doesn't happen very often but the last time someone said something to me about a Trump hat I was wearing, I took a different approach.

I was at store a while back and this woman and her husband were next to me and she something like I can't believe you support a man like Trump. I replied that I can't believe you are supporting someone who slept her way to the top and has the IQ of driftwood. This went on for a couple minutes and I finally said if you say another word , im going to beat your husband's ass right here and now. His eyes got big and he grabbed her hand walked off. Hopefully that guy will keep her ignorant trap shut from now on.

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So you threatened to beat someone else up because someone different verbally argued with you?

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I don't see anything wrong with it. Liberals need to STFU and stop thinking its ok to go up to someone and verbally harass them.

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Correction you don't see anything wrong with it because it would be your "Side" doing the ass kicking. As long as you agree with the point of view physical assault is ok in your book whereas it would not be ok if it was your side being assaulted. And "kicking the ass" of a person that didn't say anything is ok with you?

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It's really very simple. Invade my personal space and verbally harass me, lose some teeth. I really don't care about your politics at that point.

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Physically assaulting someone who is engaging you only verbally will usually end up with the assaulter going to court, jail, or both, cost you a lot of money, and becoming a permanent part of the criminal justice system. It is NOT worth it just so you can say 'Well I guess I showed him!' The prosecutor would LOVE to make an example of a stone cold killer Marine who has no/little self control.


I suggest a different approach; Say to this person "If I can prove to you empirically that our country was far better off under Trump than Biden/Harris, would you be willing to change your mind?" If they say yes, then show them. If they say NO, then I'd tell them that they have been fooled and it's kind of sad that they won't acknowledge facts instead of feelings, and just walk away. They aren't worth your time.

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This. It is quite easy to show how the most important thing in our lives (the economy) has been better under trump over a Biden/Harris one. Threatening with violence will never win your argument and had he followed through with that threat would have resulted in a day of court for the one physically assaulting the person that was not verbally threatening (much less physically) the physical assaulter.

The person threatening with physical violence over a political disagreement is THE definition of political intimidation.

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It doesn't happen very often but the last time someone said something to me about a Trump hat I was wearing, I took a different approach.

I was at store a while back and this woman and her husband were next to me and she something like I can't believe you support a man like Trump. I replied that I can't believe you are supporting someone who slept her way to the top and has the IQ of driftwood. This went on for a couple minutes and I finally said if you say another word , im going to beat your husband's ass right here and now. His eyes got big and he grabbed her hand walked off. Hopefully that guy will keep her ignorant trap shut from now on.

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1. This didn't happen
2. This is dumb.
3. This response shows how insecure you are. Who cares if some woman gives you grief. She isn't a threat. Make your points and move on with life. If she follows and harrasses that is a different story.

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Apparently you're insecure if you stand up for yourself when you're being intimidated for simply existing.

This is why our country has gone the direction it has gone. The left uses intimidation tactics with impunity.

You know what that lady learned that day? She learned to shut her ****ing mouth. I promise she'll never do it again.

We need more people standing their ground when unhinged leftists feel the need to intimidate.

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Your Political opinions are not exempt from criticism. As you express yourself politically so can people that disagree with you. The line is crossed when one threatens to silence the other with violence. THAT is intimidation.

As wrong as it is for Danny to threaten an associate of the person expressing political criticism with violence, it is equally wrong for someone to say to Danny "put that hat away if I see that hat again I'm going to punch your wife"

It's ironic that you say the left uses intimidation tactics when you turn right around explained how Danny used intimidation (via a threat) to shut her up.

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Nobody has a right to come up to you and get in your personal space. If someone came up to me unsolicited and started going off about who I'm voting for, I am going to assume that they are crazy and will look to diffuse the situation.

I'm not saying popping off and throwing punches immediately is the best course of action. That being said, merely threatening to them that you will stand your ground is usually enough to diffuse the situation.

Serious question, if some random person came up to you and started going off on you, would you not assume the person is mentally unstable?

Given that, I think threatening violence and that you will stand your ground is a perfectly acceptable response.

Why? Because sane people don't verbally assault random people.

I don't see how this is such a weird response to some of you people. NOBODY has a right to get in my face and confront me. I don't know the person's motives, if they have a weapon and/or intend to do harm. I don't know them from Adam. You're damn right I will threaten to do harm if I am confronted by a random mentally unstable person.

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They need to put that on video in her neighborhood and run it on a loop in the front yard for everybody to see and listen to it as they drive-by

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They need to rent one of these to put their neighbors meltdown on blast for the whole neighborhood to see.
Actually, this needs to be done in EVERY neighborhood in the U.S. to highlight lib insanity!!!!

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It doesn't happen very often but the last time someone said something to me about a Trump hat I was wearing, I took a different approach.

I was at store a while back and this woman and her husband were next to me and she something like I can't believe you support a man like Trump. I replied that I can't believe you are supporting someone who slept her way to the top and has the IQ of driftwood. This went on for a couple minutes and I finally said if you say another word , im going to beat your husband's ass right here and now. His eyes got big and he grabbed her hand walked off. Hopefully that guy will keep her ignorant trap shut from now on.

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1. This didn't happen
2. This is dumb.
3. This response shows how insecure you are. Who cares if some woman gives you grief. She isn't a threat. Make your points and move on with life. If she follows and harrasses that is a different story.

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Apparently you're insecure if you stand up for yourself when you're being intimidated for simply existing.

This is why our country has gone the direction it has gone. The left uses intimidation tactics with impunity.

You know what that lady learned that day? She learned to shut her ****ing mouth. I promise she'll never do it again.

We need more people standing their ground when unhinged leftists feel the need to intimidate.

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Your Political opinions are not exempt from criticism. As you express yourself politically so can people that disagree with you. The line is crossed when one threatens to silence the other with violence. THAT is intimidation.

As wrong as it is for Danny to threaten an associate of the person expressing political criticism with violence, it is equally wrong for someone to say to Danny "put that hat away if I see that hat again I'm going to punch your wife"

It's ironic that you say the left uses intimidation tactics when you turn right around explained how Danny used intimidation (via a threat) to shut her up.

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Nobody has a right to come up to you and get in your personal space. If someone came up to me unsolicited and started going off about who I'm voting for, I am going to assume that they are crazy and will look to diffuse the situation.

I'm not saying popping off and throwing punches immediately is the best course of action. That being said, merely threatening to them that you will stand your ground is usually enough to diffuse the situation.

Serious question, if some random person came up to you and started going off on you, would you not assume the person is mentally unstable?

Given that, I think threatening violence and that you will stand your ground is a perfectly acceptable response.

Why? Because sane people don't verbally assault random people.

I don't see how this is such a weird response to some of you people. NOBODY has a right to get in my face and confront me. I don't know the person's motives, if they have a weapon and/or intend to do harm. I don't know them from Adam. You're damn right I will threaten to do harm if I am confronted by a random mentally unstable person.

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He said a woman and her husband were next to him in a store. So to me that means they were shopping in the same area or they were line checking out. There was NO indication she "came up to him" and got in his physical space as you stated. She started expressing herself after seeing him express himself politically. And he engaged back. During that exchange he never indicated she was threatening him and/or using fighting words, in his personal space within the store, impeding his ability to move or express himself politically (even though it was within the confines of a private business). All he said was she was next to him, started a conversation that he engaged in for a few minutes which was ended by him saying if she said one more word that he would physically assault her husband (which based on the story had not engaged in the political exchange between the woman and Danny)

What ground did he need to defend. She wasn't pushing him out physically, nor did she make physical contact with him or made threats to committing physical violence. she was challenging his political speech (the hat) with her own political speech.

Did she make contact with him? How did she verbally assault him.

Texas Penal Code, Title 5, Section 22.01
ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse;

Did she do that to him? It seems from his own testimony that HE committed this offense. (I understand he could live in a different state and thus the Texas penal code does not apply but many other states have similar statutes)

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Sad that there are older folks burning up the ever-more-limited days on this earth, with so much misery and anger in their heart. She should get the mental health assistance she needs and enjoy life a little. How about her blood pressure?

Unless they are all hard-core Church of Dem, I bet her family doesn't want to be around her at all.

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Likely single, bitter and alone.
Or as Kamala would say, Full of Joy

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Nah. My money says there's a "guy" at home that looks just like BSC Plane Lady's poor simp.