Yes, we are back to women are crying about the "widening" wage gap AGAIN.
Every few years when there aren't any issues to moan and groan about, someone resurrects this one and the outrage begins.

Women are always comparing themselves with men and whining that they don't get what (they think) men get. But when they have it better than men, they are silent.

This article below is a new one. According to some "study", women's salary went down 1 cent to a dollar and they are all up in arms and it's finding a place on radio and news sites.


What's behind the widening gender wage gap in the US?
https://apnews.com/article/gender-wage-gap-women-pay-latina-work-dce2d7cf2c004dfe5322fffaf5fdbbcf

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By ALEXANDRA OLSON and CLAIRE SAVAGE
Updated 4:40 PM CDT, October 16, 2024

NEW YORK (AP) Just how much of a setback was the COVID-19 pandemic for U.S. working women?
Although women who lost or left their jobs at the height of the crisis have largely returned to the workforce, a recent finding points to the price many paid for stepping back: In 2023, the gender wage gap between men and women working full-time widened year-over-year for the first time in 20 years, according to an annual report from the U.S. Census Bureau.

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Women working full time earned 83 cents on the dollar compared to men in 2023, down from a historic high of 84 cents in 2022. The Census Bureau called it the first statistically significant widening of the ratio since 2003.

Economists trying to make sense of the data say it captures a complicated moment during the disjointed post-pandemic labor market recovery when many women finally returned to work full-time, especially in hard-hit low-wage industries where they are overrepresented like hospitality, social work and caretaking.

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The news is not all bad: Wages rose for all workers last year, but faster for men. And while the gender wage gap rose, it's on par with what it was in 2019 before the pandemic hit.

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Obviously this is because DJT is running for office. Let's turn the page.

Men work more hours in higher paying fields. When you adjust for this, the "wage gap" disappears.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk

Amazing that companies have not hired women in all positions, where they could save .17 cents on every dollar spent on salary

Compare men and women in the same field, with similar education, and years of experience (without including time staying home with kids) then get back to me.

The data they point to is simply too broad, at least in terms of trying to get to the bottom of the issue. What is the comparison working the same job and experience? What about by age? It's entirely possible the gap is much larger in the 50+ crowd because women are increasingly entering the work force doing traditional "male" jobs they weren't doing 20 or 30 years ago.

I find the wage gap to be less of an issue than the leadership gap. I suspect the male to female VP+ ratio is still high, at least that's what I see at the companies I work with (I'm in accounting / consulting). Some of that may be valid based on the demographics of the pool of experienced candidates but I do still think there's some brofest, country club type attitudes going on as well.

Are you a biologist? What is a woman?

infinity ag said:

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What's behind the widening gender wage gap in the US?

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There is no gender pay gap

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/there-really-is-no-gender-wage-gap-there-is-a-gender-earnings-gap-but-paying-women-well-wont-close-that-gap/

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Women have to be willing to

• work more hours per week,
• more weeks per year,
• work more in higher-risk jobs and be more exposed to occupational injuries and fatalities (e.g., be willing to experience 50% of workplace fatalities instead of the current 7%),
• work more in jobs that are physically demanding in more hostile work environments,
• be willing to commute longer distances,
• take less time off work for family reasons,
• take fewer sick days,
• be willing to accept higher-risk variable incomes like commission-based compensation,
• be willing to travel more and relocate more often,
• accept jobs with less human contact,
• sacrifice job-related personal fulfilment, etc.

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Yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at. Do female and male grade school teacher with similar experience have different incomes? What about construction workers? I suspect if you broke it down that way you'd find the gap to be very small.

The gender pay gap might be as big of a lie as the rich not paying their fair share. Not quite, but damn close.

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There is no gender

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FIFY

Maroon Dawn said:

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Men work more hours in higher paying fields. When you adjust for this, the "wage gap" disappears.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk

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But women working in service industries and non-profits should make just as much money as men working in skilled manufacturing and STEM positions.

My daughter is a graduating MechE grad from Colorado School of Mines and just got an insane offer from a major, major player in the aviation industry. That's what happens when you have a 3.96 GPA and two internships for defense contractors under your belt. Guarantee you that male psych major isn't getting this kind of dough. People can't think reasonably about these things.

Sounds like a Biden/Harris problem to me

Was the 19th Amendment a mistake?

Asking for a friend.

If women are working the same jobs and hours as men for less pay, then why aren't business owners exclusively hiring women?

I'll hang up and listen.

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If women are working the same jobs and hours as men for less pay, then why aren't business owners exclusively hiring women?

I'll hang up and listen.

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Your mistake is that you bring logic and economics into this discussion.

It is not about that.
It is about how women feel.
If women feel discriminated against, that is all that matters.

TexasAggiesWin said:

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Amazing that companies have not hired women in all positions, where they could save .17 cents on every dollar spent on salary

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Obviously corporations don't care about profits. But wait...they only care about profits.

There are many reasons that have been listed but one of the most fundamental is women in college choose to major in fields that average $52k. Men major in fields that average $62k. Certainly you have the top STEM fields like the Engineering majors (Bio is actually slightly majority female) but so many of the other high paying majors have very few women.

For instance my son is in Maritime Transportation at Galveston and that along with Maritime Engineering Technology (MART are the Deck Officers, Engineers are the folks making sure the engines are running) are the 2 highest paying majors in the State, well exceeding Comp Sci. They are 80/20 fields and a very high percentage of women who do go into them only last a few years because very few women want to spend months away from home on board a ship doing fairly repetitive tasks with a lot of time to themselves. It's hard for a man to maintain a relationship and family doing that but it's nearly impossible for a woman and women tend to value those relationships more than men.

Buddy of mine has a daughter that graduated with a 3.98 in Honors Biology from A&M and could have easily gotten into Medical school with her background. She went to Nurse Practitioner school though because it provides a lifestyle with far better balance even though it doesn't pay as well (though NP's do very well). She wants to have a life and a family and not spend 4 years in Med school and then up to 7 years as a Resident. She would be on the downside of her child bearing years before she is really getting started and when she does have kids being a Doctor is a tough lifestyle to mix with being a Mom. Being an NP allows her a lot more flexibility.

Men and women are different and want different things. Thus they make different amounts of money.

Detailed study on college majors by gender and pay

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She went to Nurse Practitioner school though because it provides a lifestyle with far better balance even though it doesn't pay as well (though NP's do very well). She wants to have a life and a family and not spend 4 years in Med school and then up to 7 years as a Resident.

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And this is exactly why many women medical school students choose specialties like dermatology or family practice over thoracic surgery, too.

Nothing wrong with that; we need dermatologists. But there will be a definite difference in earnings over their careers.

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There are many reasons that have been listed but one of the most fundamental is women in college choose to major in fields that average $52k. Men major in fields that average $62k. Certainly you have the top STEM fields like the Engineering majors (Bio is actually slightly majority female) but so many of the other high paying majors have very few women.

For instance my son is in Maritime Transportation at Galveston and that along with Maritime Engineering Technology (MART are the Deck Officers, Engineers are the folks making sure the engines are running) are the 2 highest paying majors in the State, well exceeding Comp Sci. They are 80/20 fields and a very high percentage of women who do go into them only last a few years because very few women want to spend months away from home on board a ship doing fairly repetitive tasks with a lot of time to themselves. It's hard for a man to maintain a relationship and family doing that but it's nearly impossible for a woman and women tend to value those relationships more than men.

Buddy of mine has a daughter that graduated with a 3.98 in Honors Biology from A&M and could have easily gotten into Medical school with her background. She went to Nurse Practitioner school though because it provides a lifestyle with far better balance even though it doesn't pay as well (though NP's do very well). She wants to have a life and a family and not spend 4 years in Med school and then up to 7 years as a Resident. She would be on the downside of her child bearing years before she is really getting started and when she does have kids being a Doctor is a tough lifestyle to mix with being a Mom. Being an NP allows her a lot more flexibility.

Men and women are different and want different things. Thus they make different amounts of money.

Detailed study on college majors by gender and pay

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Your arguments make perfect sense to me.

Women and men want different things and different things pay differently. Quite simple. Then why does this whine come up every few years and there is no one in the media to counter it? Everyone, especially men in media just shake their heads sorrowfully and mumble that we must "do better".

The other good argument is if women are 15% cheaper, why won't companies hire only women? Why not companies with a female founder/CEO hire only women, she can give her sisters some help, no?

I have a friend who is about my age and she is a feminist and talks about woman issues all the time. She started her own software company a few years ago and put in articles about women in her company. But her cofounder is a man (her undergrad classmate). Why not start a company with a woman? I think deep down, women know they can't stand each other and cannot work with each other unless a man is around. My theory is that men follow a hierarchy - if you are my boss, I listen to you. Women do not follow a hierarchy so they do not like to take orders from a boss and keep complaining all the time.

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aggie93 said:

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She went to Nurse Practitioner school though because it provides a lifestyle with far better balance even though it doesn't pay as well (though NP's do very well). She wants to have a life and a family and not spend 4 years in Med school and then up to 7 years as a Resident.

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And this is exactly why many women medical school students choose specialties like dermatology or family practice over thoracic surgery, too.

Nothing wrong with that; we need dermatologists. But there will be a definite difference in earnings over their careers.

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Women are also far more likely to choose a career they think is more fun vs one that maximizes earning potential. I know of very few young women I speak with, no matter how bright, that put earnings as a major motivator. I know of very few young men who don't put earning potential as a primary motivator.

It's also a problem with women who are not married and get older because they are often being forced to stay in jobs or take jobs they don't like and that tends to be much harder for them mentally to deal with that. Men (or at least most men) are conditioned from a young age to suck it up and that a job is for working not for fun. While some women are the same the overwhelming majority tend to become very depressed and upset if put in that situation, especially if they are unmarried and either don't have children or have an estranged relationship with their children.

Biology and environment matter and yet many try to pretend they don't. It's just one more example of "Liberals see the world as they wish it would be, conservatives see the world as it actually is".

falafel said:

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Obviously this is because DJT is running for office. Let's turn the page.

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This isnt about DJT, and not just going to stop at him. They are doing the same thing to Vance and would do the same thing to Desantis. Democrat policies are unpopular dog**** so they have to resort to political smear. Trump is just the first republican candidate to do it back. They've already been attacking Desantis with hands maid tale, racism, and the usual bull*****

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infinity ag said:

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What's behind the widening gender wage gap in the US?

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There is no gender pay gap

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/there-really-is-no-gender-wage-gap-there-is-a-gender-earnings-gap-but-paying-women-well-wont-close-that-gap/

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Women have to be willing to

• work more hours per week,
• more weeks per year,
• work more in higher-risk jobs and be more exposed to occupational injuries and fatalities (e.g., be willing to experience 50% of workplace fatalities instead of the current 7%),
• work more in jobs that are physically demanding in more hostile work environments,
• be willing to commute longer distances,
• take less time off work for family reasons,
• take fewer sick days,
• be willing to accept higher-risk variable incomes like commission-based compensation,
• be willing to travel more and relocate more often,
• accept jobs with less human contact,
• sacrifice job-related personal fulfilment, etc.

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Correct, its a myth that was debunked a while ago

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What's behind the widening gender wage gap in the US?

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Obviously 4 years of lib rule has screwed over women.

VOTE THEM OUT!!!

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If there is a drop, it is likely 2 things happening.

1) All of the DEI hires that inserted females into higher level positions are being let go because they failed. Our CEO had 5 of 11 reports that are female. He now has 1. Many of those women are either failing or overwhelmed because they are in positions they are not qualified to do. It isn't that women in general can't do the job. It is, a CTO who has never been in the business isn't able.

2) Women are finding it isn't worth the sacrifice. Last year, my wife walked away from a 6-figure job that she was WAY overqualified to do. She wanted to work 25-30hrs/wk. She was doing her boss's boss' job at times and her hrs would push upwards of 40-45hrs/wk. After a time, she was like, "Remind me why I'm working 40hrs/wk?" The reality is Audit is not a part time job and it will suck the life out of you and every hr you are willing to work. She walked away and they were stunned. Six months later and they keep trying to see where she went to work, secretly hoping she comes back. She doesn't work.

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It wasn't even really a drop though. Women's wages went up, just not as far as men's between 2022 and 2023. That could be for any number of reasons. The problem is people taking a simplistic look at a very narrow window of information and refusing to look at any context. This entire discussion has been framed by the media and certain special interests groups around making people respond emotionally instead of logically.

Just tell them to calm down and work harder.

Gah they're so emotional.

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There are many reasons that have been listed but one of the most fundamental is women in college choose to major in fields that average $52k. Men major in fields that average $62k. Certainly you have the top STEM fields like the Engineering majors (Bio is actually slightly majority female) but so many of the other high paying majors have very few women.

For instance my son is in Maritime Transportation at Galveston and that along with Maritime Engineering Technology (MART are the Deck Officers, Engineers are the folks making sure the engines are running) are the 2 highest paying majors in the State, well exceeding Comp Sci. They are 80/20 fields and a very high percentage of women who do go into them only last a few years because very few women want to spend months away from home on board a ship doing fairly repetitive tasks with a lot of time to themselves. It's hard for a man to maintain a relationship and family doing that but it's nearly impossible for a woman and women tend to value those relationships more than men.

Buddy of mine has a daughter that graduated with a 3.98 in Honors Biology from A&M and could have easily gotten into Medical school with her background. She went to Nurse Practitioner school though because it provides a lifestyle with far better balance even though it doesn't pay as well (though NP's do very well). She wants to have a life and a family and not spend 4 years in Med school and then up to 7 years as a Resident. She would be on the downside of her child bearing years before she is really getting started and when she does have kids being a Doctor is a tough lifestyle to mix with being a Mom. Being an NP allows her a lot more flexibility.

Men and women are different and want different things. Thus they make different amounts of money.

Detailed study on college majors by gender and pay

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If she gets to 35, she's toast. The GB told me so.

Beta men virtue signaling on Linkedin to get female kudos.

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My daughter is a graduating MechE grad from Colorado School of Mines and just got an insane offer from a major, major player in the aviation industry. That's what happens when you have a 3.96 GPA and two internships for defense contractors under your belt. Guarantee you that male psych major isn't getting this kind of dough. People can't think reasonably about these things.

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FWIW, a guy graduating from there with the same degree and GPA and internships would probably get a lesser offer.

Engineering companies are trying to do everything they can do to hire women in the STEM jobs.

So, any gender gap in the STEM fields ain't from paying the women lower salaries.

(NOTE: Not denigrating your daughter in any way, just explaining how companies like that work from my 30+ years of experience working there)

infinity ag said:

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Beta men virtue signaling on Linkedin to get female kudos.

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Oh Joseph, you soy reeking boy. Bet you pay extra taxes every year too. Poon.

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A_Gang_Ag_06 said:

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My daughter is a graduating MechE grad from Colorado School of Mines and just got an insane offer from a major, major player in the aviation industry. That's what happens when you have a 3.96 GPA and two internships for defense contractors under your belt. Guarantee you that male psych major isn't getting this kind of dough. People can't think reasonably about these things.

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FWIW, a guy graduating from there with the same degree and GPA and internships would probably get a lesser offer.

Engineering companies are trying to do everything they can do to hire women in the STEM jobs.

So, any gender gap in the STEM fields ain't from paying the women lower salaries.

(NOTE: Not denigrating your daughter in any way, just explaining how companies like that work from my 30+ years of experience working there)

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Exactly. They are desperate for women to pick jobs they aren't generally interested in and willing to throw lots of money at them to get them to do it.

But the reverse is never true.

Look at nursing. Still a 90% female job but no one sees it as a problem and in fact the attitude that women just naturally make better nurses is still openly voiced. There's no big sign on bonuses or extra pay incentives to lure more men into nursing despite a national shortage of RNs.

The hypocrisy is just stunning