DirectTV buying Dish Network/Dish TV/Sling TV for $1 (and taking its debt)

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akaggie05
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vansprinkle said:

Pinochet said:

Jason_Roofer said:

I agree. I ditched Dish after 20 years for YTTV and then we pick and choose other streams as we want. It's still a metric ton cheaper than dish. I don't know how dish or direct is still in business. With Starlink, you have no speed internet anywhere in the world. Those satellites serve crucial services and will always be updated. As long as that's going, streaming is where it's at and satellite tv is dead.

What happens when Starlink and DTV make a deal and create a combo dish/Starlink antenna, that is really just a the latter with a fake dish in it so they can sell you on the combo package and stream it to you anyway? Then we're all right back where we started.

I can't believe Dish or Direct haven't figured out how to run internet through their current satellites. Either run it into the existing home dish, or have the homeowner upgrade the dish and update the set top box to double as a modem/router. They should have jumped on this before Starlink was even an idea, but certainly at least have jumped to it once Starkink was announced as an idea.


They basically did a variant of that with the old HughesNet service. The problem is that the laws of physics are not your friend in this scenario. You're talking about a very small number of satellites in a very high orbit (geostationary at 22,300 miles above the equator). So you have a relatively small pipe shared by many users, with a long throw that adds a lot of latency. In contrast, the Starlink satellites are only a few hundred miles up and there are thousands of them with more being added all the time. Extreme levels of spatial re-use of the same frequencies and much lower latency too.
Artimus Gordon
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We just cancelled direct tv and went with starlink & streaming services after 12 years with directv. Streaming through starlink has been really good.

Programming was awful with direct. Too many channels of worthless information and you couldn't really
Get a package together of your favorite Channels. Had to wade through the crap just to get to them.

Using Hulu and Disney/esipn mainly via streaming. It's taking awhile for old people to learn how to use it. Grandkids love it because they know where to go to get what they want to watch.
CrackerJackAg
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vansprinkle said:

Pinochet said:

Jason_Roofer said:

I agree. I ditched Dish after 20 years for YTTV and then we pick and choose other streams as we want. It's still a metric ton cheaper than dish. I don't know how dish or direct is still in business. With Starlink, you have no speed internet anywhere in the world. Those satellites serve crucial services and will always be updated. As long as that's going, streaming is where it's at and satellite tv is dead.

What happens when Starlink and DTV make a deal and create a combo dish/Starlink antenna, that is really just a the latter with a fake dish in it so they can sell you on the combo package and stream it to you anyway? Then we're all right back where we started.

I can't believe Dish or Direct haven't figured out how to run internet through their current satellites. Either run it into the existing home dish, or have the homeowner upgrade the dish and update the set top box to double as a modem/router. They should have jumped on this before Starlink was even an idea, but certainly at least have jumped to it once Starkink was announced as an idea.


Perfect example of a guy, not knowing how something works and then saying that he can't understand why these companies are so stupid that they haven't done this.
P.H. Dexippus
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akaggie05 said:

DirecTV and Dish are both on borrowed time as far as their satellite distribution goes. The cost to build and launch a new satellite in geostationary orbit is astronomical, and they have to be replaced every 10-15 years or so. I don't have exact counts but off the top of my head each service has probably 8-10 birds up across a few different orbital slots.

They're not launching any more to replace what's up there. When the current fleets are done, it's lights out. By then everyone who can't be served by cable or fiber will be able to stream via Starlink or other competing services.

This deal was about milking the last few pennies from a dying business model.
MaroonSpirit
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How is he getting that many days?
schmellba99
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boulderaggie said:

As a Dish customer, this sucks. I absolutley HATE the DirecTV guide interface. Hope they don't change it.
Back when I was exiting the stone age and had a dish I was the opposite. Dish Networks interface was horrible - clunky and not user friendly whereas DirecTV's was.

But I have since gotten rid of all of that crap and gone streaming now like a 1st world person.
schmellba99
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OneProudAg said:

Fubo or YouTubeTV, here I come. I'm in the middle of a Fubo Sub (30 day free), Gonna cancel that and try YouTube Tv(45 Day Free). Game on.
This is the way.

DTV has a much better interface IMO, but they don't have a contract with the network that carries the Astros and that sucks.

I had FUBO for a while when DTV and the SEC network were having contractual issues. I like that I can cancel and start one or the other near instantly without any issues or hastle.
schmellba99
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Max Power said:

Aggie4Life02 said:

Who still has cable/satellite?
There are still some pockets where people can't get high speed internet. Sounds odd but there's plenty of people who don't have the high speed lines in their area. You can count my parents in that population. They also have real spotty cell service so that limits their options as well. They looked into satellite internet but I don't think it was worth the cost to them. They don't really care about streaming either since they've never had it. They've been with Dish for like 20 years or so, if Dish goes out of business they'll be in a bind.
I'm in one of those areas, and glad I have Starlink. Cell hot spots are pretty much crap, I tried those for a bit as well and hated them.

As far as not using a streaming service - it's pretty much operated exactly the same as satellite. YTTV has almost the same layout and interface as DirecTV has/had and it was pretty seamless for us to move from one to the other. You turn the TV on, select YTTV then pick a channel. Not complicated.

Costs are what they are, I pay more for Starlink than I did for my old land line internet. But I get about 5x the speed and about 20x the reliability. I pay less for YTTV monthly than I did DirecTV and dont have to call them up every other month to get the same price that new customers always got. One thing I absolutely despised about satellite was that new customers got the great deals while long time customers got kicked in the scrotum on pricing.
SunrayAg
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A Roku with YouTube tv is less than half the price of the Dish service we recently cancelled.
OneProudAg
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MaroonSpirit said:

How are you doing them for that long free?
My kid has 3 roommates in Aggieland. That is a lot of email addresses and credit cards. Share login and password.
agsalaska
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OneProudAg said:

Fubo or YouTubeTV, here I come. I'm in the middle of a Fubo Sub (30 day free), Gonna cancel that and try YouTube Tv(45 Day Free). Game on.
Fubo with ESPN+ running through ROKU TV. I will never come close to watching all of the sports content that combo delivers.
The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you never know if they are genuine. -- Abraham Lincoln.



Enzomatic
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OneProudAg said:

Fubo or YouTubeTV, here I come. I'm in the middle of a Fubo Sub (30 day free), Gonna cancel that and try YouTube Tv(45 Day Free). Game on.

How the hell did you get that? I did the fubo trial a few weeks ago because of the directv vs Disney fiasco, but it was only like 3 days. Then I went to the YTTV trial the next week, and it was 10 days. Did they both change to better trials within the past 2-3 weeks...?
FatZilla
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schmellba99 said:

OneProudAg said:

Fubo or YouTubeTV, here I come. I'm in the middle of a Fubo Sub (30 day free), Gonna cancel that and try YouTube Tv(45 Day Free). Game on.
This is the way.

DTV has a much better interface IMO, but they don't have a contract with the network that carries the Astros and that sucks.

I had FUBO for a while when DTV and the SEC network were having contractual issues. I like that I can cancel and start one or the other near instantly without any issues or hastle.


DTV sat carries the Astros. Channel 674. DTV stream also has it. You need Choice package or higher.
https://www.directv.com/shop/dtvs/choice-package
OneProudAg
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Enzomatic said:

OneProudAg said:

Fubo or YouTubeTV, here I come. I'm in the middle of a Fubo Sub (30 day free), Gonna cancel that and try YouTube Tv(45 Day Free). Game on.

How the hell did you get that? I did the fubo trial a few weeks ago because of the directv vs Disney fiasco, but it was only like 3 days. Then I went to the YTTV trial the next week, and it was 10 days. Did they both change to better trials within the past 2-3 weeks...?
No clue, but we are canceling Fubo in 4 days and doing youtubeTv to see what we like better. Might have been due to the DTV/Disney fiasco at the time.
MaroonStain
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$9.75BILLION IN DEBT

Who takes on that kinda debt load with an outdated and almost defunct business??

Torbush WOW...
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