The death of our civilization in one handy chart. pic.twitter.com/q7VYw8LFrA

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) September 20, 2024

It is getting worse and worse according to the data.

A 2023 30 year old would be 31 right now and born in 1993. That would be in the millennial generation.

In before boomers fault.

Reminds me of Zach Galafanakis when he said he is a "stay-at-home son"

Pull up a chart of median income. Pull up a chart of median home value.

Policy from both R and D of endless wars and inflation.

LuoJi said:

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Pull up a chart of median income. Pull up a chart of median home value.

Policy from both R and D of endless wars and inflation.

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Yep

LuoJi said:

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Pull up a chart of median income. Pull up a chart of median home value.

Policy from both R and D of endless wars and inflation.

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At least the MAGA wing of the (R) party is courting the middle class. Sure, the establishment wing is fighting it, but at least there's SOME (R)s who want the system to work for honest working common folk.

Dan Scott said:

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Median income with a bachelor degree is about 2x compared to 1990. Median 4 year degree is about 10x

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yes. The universities have pulled one of the biggest scams of all time - they steal money via student loans spent on worth less degrees, and students default on their loan the government is the one that losses the money and taxpayers bear the brunt. They inflated costs and hired staff to support the grift.

AgDad121619 said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Median income with a bachelor degree is about 2x compared to 1990. Median 4 year degree is about 10x

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yes. The universities have pulled one of the biggest scams of all time - they steal money via student loans spent on worth less degrees, and students default on their loan the government is the one that losses the money and taxpayers bear the brunt. They inflated costs and hired staff to support the grift.

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Courtesy of Obamacare.

Possibly because they have lived the most extravagant lives in the history of mankind and had to do very little and sacrifice nothing to get it, so they've never been forced to grow up.

Now look at average cost of living, food, etc.

Salary growth that does not even touch the COL and inflation means nothing.

I'm in my late 30s, but have friends that run through into their twenties.... not a single one of them cares about Instagram followers sans a couple that are using it as a side hustle.

They care about the fact that, even with a degree, a lot of them aren't even making it. I care about the fact I'm working a job that payed me what I considered an excellent wage 15yrs ago when I started is becoming an absolute dead end and only paying 5$ an hour more.... my only way out is starting over, and there's no way I can afford to do that.

Ag_of_08 said:

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I'm in my late 30s, but have friends that run through into their twenties.... not a single one of them cares about Instagram followers sans a couple that are using it as a side hustle.

They care about the fact that, even with a degree, a lot of them aren't even making it. I care about the fact I'm working a job that payed me what I considered an excellent wage 15yrs ago when I started is becoming an absolute dead end and only paying 5$ an hour more.... my only way out is starting over, and there's no way I can afford to do that.

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I left my career making 130k at 38 and went to law school in 2012.

12 years later, I own my own business and make right at 7 figures. It is doable depending on you and your risk tolerance.

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Tom Fox said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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I'm in my late 30s, but have friends that run through into their twenties.... not a single one of them cares about Instagram followers sans a couple that are using it as a side hustle.

They care about the fact that, even with a degree, a lot of them aren't even making it. I care about the fact I'm working a job that payed me what I considered an excellent wage 15yrs ago when I started is becoming an absolute dead end and only paying 5$ an hour more.... my only way out is starting over, and there's no way I can afford to do that.

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I left my career making 130k at 38 and went to law school in 2012.

12 years later, I own my own business and make right at 7 figures. It is doable depending on you and your risk tolerance.

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I have a useless degree(scratch that...i never finished and am not sure i can now) and no real way to change my circumstances. I truthfully don't know if i finished the thing there's anything I could really do. I know my field exceptionally well, it just doesn't pay unfortunately.

That's where a huge number of us stand unfortunately..... we effed up at 18-21, now there's no real comeback

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That sucks bro. I changed careers once before trying law school.

My undergrad was a useless liberal arts degree. I got a fed job and just felt dead ended. I married at 35. Had my first at 37 and that motivated me to make the change. My wife was 21 when we got married and a newly minted accountant. She supported me for the first half of law school and then we had our second and she stayed home. Childcare in DC was insane. I worked at Lowes inside lawn and garden at night while in law school. That was quite the change from being a federal agent, but I really enjoyed it.

And I can honestly say it was worth every minute of uncertainty, anxiety, and tireless work. We did it together.

Opportunity is all anyone can really ask for. Outcomes are never guaranteed. We only get one chance at this life.

Ag_of_08 said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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I'm in my late 30s, but have friends that run through into their twenties.... not a single one of them cares about Instagram followers sans a couple that are using it as a side hustle.

They care about the fact that, even with a degree, a lot of them aren't even making it. I care about the fact I'm working a job that payed me what I considered an excellent wage 15yrs ago when I started is becoming an absolute dead end and only paying 5$ an hour more.... my only way out is starting over, and there's no way I can afford to do that.

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I left my career making 130k at 38 and went to law school in 2012.

12 years later, I own my own business and make right at 7 figures. It is doable depending on you and your risk tolerance.

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I have a useless degree(scratch that...i never finished and am not sure i can now) and no real way to change my circumstances. I truthfully don't know if i finished the thing there's anything I could really do. I know my field exceptionally well, it just doesn't pay unfortunately.

That's where a huge number of us stand unfortunately..... we effed up at 18-21, now there's no real comeback

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Excuses. Get to work and create the life you want.

A decent, midpoint car cost about $12k in '90. There's nothing under $20k today.

A starter house was about $75k in '90. Closer to $400k today.

We have a real problem.

dmart90 said:

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A decent, midpoint car cost about $12k in '90. There's nothing under $20k today.

A starter house was about $75k in '90. Closer to $400k today.

We have a real problem.

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Compare apples to apples. Why is that car so much more? Look at all the government regulation requirements combined with all the extras everyone "needs".

Houses are similar. Finding small houses is ridiculous. Starter homes are now 2nd or 3rd homes. Starter home used to mean small, vinyl or cheap carpet, linoleum counters, etc. Hardly anyone builds those new now because they don't sell.

Same for apartments. People used to sacrifice, now they want it all at 22, plus a crap ton of extras.