sounds like globalists don't want free speech about the wars...can't stop their elitist money-making, economy-destroying wars.

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Telegram which allows users to evade official scrutiny - has also become one of the few places where Russians can access independent news about the war after the Kremlin increased curbs on independent media following its invasion of Ukraine.
The Russian foreign ministry said its embassy in Paris was clarifying the situation around Durov and called on Western non-governmental organisations to demand his release.

Russia began blocking Telegram in 2018 after the app refused to comply with a court order to grant state security services access to its users' encrypted messages.
The action interrupted many third-party services, but had little effect on the availability of Telegram there. The ban order, however, sparked mass protests in Moscow and criticism from NGOs.

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#FreePavel
pic.twitter.com/B7AcJWswMs

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 25, 2024

Sounds like democrats

This guy's been in the alphabet cross hairs for many years. He really should have stayed out of the EU.

The US government tried to get access to telegram.

Did they now used France for this? pic.twitter.com/4zUJruNshW

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 25, 2024

💯

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 25, 2024

And make no mistake, the leftists want to take down political speech/wrong think across the board, which doesn't support the communists/WEF message/narrative, not just X, and telegram, but including this very forum.

Because he already caved into censorship pressure.

Instagram has a massive child exploitation problem, but no arrest for Zuck, as he censors free speech and gives governments backdoor access to user data. https://t.co/RTTGIaD0gA https://t.co/iPb5NIxIJN

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 25, 2024

All about control, not 'protecting' people/kids.

“No guarantee of free speech” - Walzpic.twitter.com/6JIHD5RWgW

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 25, 2024

Nope https://t.co/B9DMU16m4p

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 25, 2024

This issue, quite alone, would motivate any principled liberal (I know, I know) to vote for Trump vs. the communist ticket.

Give up your free speech or you're supporting child porn.

Give up your guns or you're supporting mass shootings

Give up your cash and move to digital currency or you're supporting the black market.

OP paragraphs are completely contradictory and confusing as hell.

So Russia banned Telegram or tried to so people couldn't see independent news about Ukraine War, but is now demanding the Telegram CEO's release?

nortex97 said:

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This guy's been in the alphabet cross hairs for many years. He really should have stayed out of the EU.

The US government tried to get access to telegram.

Did they now used France for this? pic.twitter.com/4zUJruNshW

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 25, 2024

💯

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 25, 2024

And make no mistake, the leftists want to take down political speech/wrong think across the board, which doesn't support the communists/WEF message/narrative, not just X, and telegram, but including this very forum.

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This is exactly what the US will look like with a few more elections and dem wins. They want zero dissent. Liberty is meaningless to them. They want you to be compliant and die after a short miserable life.

ts5641 said:

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nortex97 said:

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This guy's been in the alphabet cross hairs for many years. He really should have stayed out of the EU.

The US government tried to get access to telegram.

Did they now used France for this? pic.twitter.com/4zUJruNshW

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 25, 2024

💯

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 25, 2024

And make no mistake, the leftists want to take down political speech/wrong think across the board, which doesn't support the communists/WEF message/narrative, not just X, and telegram, but including this very forum.

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This is exactly what the US will look like with a few more elections and dem wins. They want zero dissent. Liberty is meaningless to them. They want you to be compliant and die after a short miserable life.

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One more. They're done waiting. They just tried to jail and then assassinate their political rival and their candidate received 0 primary votes. They're done with this silly democracy thing

The only and I mean only reason it hasn't already happened is the 2nd amendment.

YouBet said:

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OP paragraphs are completely contradictory and confusing as hell.

So Russia banned Telegram or tried to so people couldn't see independent news about Ukraine War, but is now demanding the Telegram CEO's release?

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To be fair, Russia's attempts to control speech on the internet, including Telegram, have been complicated, err, kind of a joke, really.

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For now, Telegram remains a living document of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But the Russian government's relationship with the platform has been an uneasy one.

After fruitless attempts to block Telegram for refusing to hand over encryption keys to the Federal Security Service (FSB) in 2018, Russian communications regulator Roskomnadzor lifted a ban on the platform in 2020. The agency confirmed that the app would not be blocked in October 2022. Instead, Russian authorities have tried different tactics. Investigations from both domestic and international news outlets have shown that Russia is working on software that can track anonymous Telegram users.

"The Kremlin is taking it seriously and is trying to do something about it," says Pankratova. "If the Kremlin fails to have some kind of control over Telegram, it may be blocked."

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They (and Ukraine, and the US) use their Telegram outlets as well for intelligence gathering/propaganda purposes. Ultimately, Russia and Ukraine are (corrupt) totalitarian states and I certainly wouldn't want to be within either, while sharing any kind of disparaging information about them, no matter the encryption/platform. The Russians comments on this arrest probably reflect just their continued efforts to show 'the west's' hypocrisy about freedom/free speech etc.

So, we are witnessing a kilogram attempt?

On Staten Island he would get pounded.

Once again, Orwell nailed it. Europe and Russia leading the charge on mass surveillance, thoughtcrime, and censorship.

CIA cut-out rep from Bellingcat bragging about the utility of arresting Telegram’s founder for being able to control Telegram’s use to win the military war on Russia and you’re telling me you don’t think The Blob (State + Pentagon + CIA) backchanneled Pavel’s arrest pic.twitter.com/MhRTWE5Kcs

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) August 25, 2024

Just got booted from the @MarioNawfal space so I’m gonna speak my peace here: what’s behind today’s arrest of Telegram founder Pavel Durov pic.twitter.com/FexLvJZK92

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) August 25, 2024

TLDW: House foreign affairs committee could demand all US State department (embassy) communications with the French related to this. The French are also denying consular access to/for him (by the Russians).

For those curious/unaware, this outfit had less than 50 employees, and 900 million users. From March of this year:

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Two people close to the matter said Telegram would probably aim for a US listing once the company had reached profitability and market conditions were favourable. Durov declined to comment on a timeline or a possible venue but said Telegram had "studied several options".

Telegram has raised about $2bn in debt financing, from a $1bn bond offering in 2021, as well as further issues of $750mn that year* and $270mn conducted last year. Those bondholders will be able to convert the senior unsecured debt into equity at between a 10 and 20 per cent discount to Telegram's IPO price if a float takes place before the end of March 2026 an incentive for the company to list before that date. In an IPO, Durov said

Telegram would consider selling an allocation of stock to loyal users, following Reddit which recently announced that it would allocate a portion of its shares to retail investors ahead of a New York listing as early as March. Durov said he had been receiving interest in carrying out a smaller equity raise. "That remains a possibility if we wanted to raise funds, for example, to fuel our artificial intelligence related ambitions," he said, adding that the company was exploring introducing an AI-powered chatbot.

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Link to the article quoted by OP?

Really confused what is going on exactly. Not well written.

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they are already laying the groundwork to do this to Elon for X with their demands for him to censor, manage speech, etc.

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Elon would welcome this assault on his Constitutional rights. He isn't a wussy, and is done sitting on the sidelines.

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This is exactly what the US will look like with a few more elections and dem wins. They want zero dissent. Liberty is meaningless to them. They want you to be compliant and die after a short miserable life.

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You are mistaken. Both the dems and republicans as a whole are pro-mass surveillance. Peter Thiel literally founded a company that was/is a CIA/NSA front, and JD Vance was essentially his errand boy.

A world where anonymity and free speech is acceptable will soon be a thing of the past no matter who is President. This is an obvious globalist agenda move.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/how-peter-thiels-palantir-helped-the-nsa-spy-on-the-whole-world/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/07/28/jd-vance-peter-thiel-donors-big-tech-trump-vp/

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-mass-shooter-detection-software-social-media-1452612

https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/trump-administration-hiding-crucial-report-nsa

dems will bring europe tyrany here

a vote for dems is a vote for european authoritarian rule

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Sounds like democrats

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- [ ] You are spot on, thank you.
Our founding fathers studied this and had spirited arguments, that is why we have a Republic of states, rule of law and not a pure Democracy
Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty.
Plato

"It has been observed by an honorable gentleman, that a pure democracy, if it were practicable, would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved, that no position in politics is more false than this. The ancient democracies, in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed one feature of good government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."
Alexander Hamilton, Speech to Congress, June 21, 1788

France does not support free speech. Not does most of Europe Regardless allowing the posting of kiddie porn should get you in hot water.

dmart90 said:

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France does not support free speech. Not does most of Europe Regardless allowing the posting of kiddie porn should get you in hot water a bullet through the brain.

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FIFY

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Link to the article quoted by OP?

Really confused what is going on exactly. Not well written.

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It looks like a Reuters article based on a search that hit on one of the OP's quoted paragraphs verbatim.

Here is a link to the piece at NBC's site with some fun Russian barbs:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna168114

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. . . TF1 and BFM both said the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram, and that police considered that this situation allowed criminal activity to go on undeterred on the messaging app.

Durov faces possible indictment on Sunday, according to French media.

The encrypted Telegram, with close to 1 billion users, is particularly influential in Russia, Ukraine and the republics of the former Soviet Union. It is ranked as one of the major social media platforms after Facebook, YouTube, WhatsApp, Instagram, TikTok and WeChat.
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Russian-born Durov founded Telegram with his brother in 2013. He left Russia in 2014 after refusing to comply with government demands to shut down opposition communities on his VKontakte social media platform, which he sold.
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After Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Telegram has become the main source of unfiltered and sometimes graphic and misleading content from both sides about the war and the politics surrounding the conflict.

The platform has become what some analysts call 'a virtual battlefield' for the war, used heavily by Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his officials, as well as the Russian government.

Telegram which allows users to evade official scrutiny has also become one of the few places where Russians can access independent news about the war after the Kremlin increased curbs on independent media following its invasion of Ukraine.
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Russia began blocking Telegram in 2018 after the app refused to comply with a court order to grant state security services access to its users' encrypted messages.

The action interrupted many third-party services but had little effect on the availability of Telegram there. The ban order, however, sparked mass protests in Moscow and criticism from NGOs.
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Durov, whose fortune was estimated by Forbes at $15.5 billion, said some governments had sought to pressure him but the app should remain a "neutral platform" and not a "player in geopolitics."
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Russia's representative to international organizations in Vienna, Mikhail Ulyanov, and several other Russian politicians were quick on Sunday to accuse France of acting as a dictatorship the same criticism that Moscow faced when putting demands on Durov in 2014 and trying to ban Telegram in 2018.

"Some naive persons still don't understand that if they play more or less visible role in international information space it is not safe for them to visit countries which move towards much more totalitarian societies," Ulyanov wrote on X. . . .

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Too funny that Russia attempted a hapless technological fix while France detained the Russian native in a farcical fascist maneuver certain to be ineffective as anything more than an inconvenience.

Not really playing to their strengths are they? You'd think Russia would have gone with the detention back in the day.

Non-US citizens and non-US residents don't have a right to free speech as codified in our Constitution.

A non-US citizen is arrested in France by French authorities and somehow I'm supposed to believe this is an attack on my right to free speech?

I’m a little late to this, but for good reason — I’ve just safely departed from Europe.

France has threatened Rumble, and now they have crossed a red line by arresting Telegram’s CEO, Pavel Durov, reportedly for not censoring speech.

Rumble will not stand for this behavior and…

— Chris Pavlovski (@chrispavlovski) August 25, 2024

Had to wait until he departed the EU, LOL.

Never let a great opportunity go to waste in blaming political rivals for someone breaking the law in a country on a different continent.

Democrats Attack 3 Of The 10 Amendments In The Bill Of Rights
quote from the article

• Left unsaid is that the only way to do what she suggests would be to put restrictions on the 1st Amendment. A couple years ago, 54 Senate Democrats voted for a new constitutional amendment that would do just that.

Judge rules White House pressured social networks to "suppress free speech"
quote from the article

• A federal judge yesterday ordered the Biden administration to halt a wide range of communications with social media companies, siding with Missouri and Louisiana in a lawsuit that alleges Biden and his administration violated the First Amendment by colluding with social networks "to suppress disfavored speakers, viewpoints, and content."

A Harris-Walz administration would be a nightmare for free speech BY JONATHAN TURLEY
quote from the article (Jonathan Turley is a Democrat)

• Some attacks have, in my view, been inaccurate or overwrought. However, the greatest danger from this ticket is neither speculative nor sensational. A Harris-Walz administration would be a nightmare for free speech
• For over three years, the Biden-Harris administration has sustained an unrelenting attack on the freedom of speech, from supporting a massive censorship system (described by a federal court as an Orwellian Ministry of Truth") to funding blacklisting operations targeting groups and individuals with opposing views.
  
  President Biden made censorship a central part of his legacy, even accusing social media companies of "killing people" for failing to increase levels of censorship. Democrats in Congress pushed that agenda by demanding censorship on subjects ranging from climate change to gender identity even to banking policy in the name of combatting "disinformation."

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Never let a great opportunity go to waste in blaming political rivals for someone breaking the law in a country on a different continent.

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The problem with your post is the fact that the Democratic Party leadership is pushing for the same restrictions on free speech we are witnessing overseas. The Democratic Party leadership as in President Biden, VP Harris, Schumer, Pelosi, AOC, etcetera etcetera etcetera

C@LAg said:

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Muy said:

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C@LAg said:

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they are already laying the groundwork to do this to Elon for X with their demands for him to censor, manage speech, etc.

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Elon would welcome this assault on his Constitutional rights. He isn't a wussy, and is done sitting on the sidelines.

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it is cute that you think they have no ways to take him down with minimal effort.

They can go the tax route
they can encourage banks to not work with elon
they can deny him for all sorts of permits for his businesses
they tie him up in court forever and get him removed as CEO from any/all of his companies.
or
he has an accident
etc

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NASA just announced yesterday that SpaceX will retrieve the stranded astronauts on the ISS. I'm not sure that embarrassing Boeing is a safe move.

Arrested for illegal communications through his app. Who gives a **** about the people who actually committed crimes, it seems.

Unbelievable.

Let's go ahead and arrest Satya Nadella and Tim Cook for facilitating CPU operating systems that are used for illegal purposes while we're at it.