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He couldn't win the primary. End of story.

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The story isn't that he "couldn't win" the primary. The story is that an overwhelming majority of our population is heinously stupid. 50% of them vote for communists. 75% of the remaining 50% vote for Trump, who cant win. When the majority of the opposition party insists on voting for an opposition candidate who can't win, you get exactly the government you deserve. When Harris wins in November, everyone who insisted on voting for Trump over Desantis will get the government they voted for and the government they deserve.

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Bingo. And the rest of us will get undeservedly screwed. Thanks Trump cult.

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So will you be voting for Trump or taking your ball and going home? Like it or not, he beat your preferred candidate. So unless you think Harris is better for the country, you are worse than a Democrat if you choose to stay home.

Your options are pretty simple at this point.

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You people who think everyone should vote for whatever MAGA slaps a R logo on are a trip


Trump is not a conservative. Some former R voters will not support him. This should not be a surprise

If you wanted their vote you should have thought about that in the primary

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Desantis in a general gets slammed on abortion and culture war issues way harder than Trump. His economic policy is much the same as Trump. He doesn't have the successful foreign policy to run on that Trump has. I think Desantis is a great governor, but you people acting like Trump is a huge lib and Desantis is a conservative god send are deluded. They are very similar in most of the ways that matter.

You just can't get over your own emotions about the guy because you're unwilling to put country over self. And then you play the game of unfalsifiable claims about "this candidate is way better than the guy who won."

Keep blaming Trump for your own desires if you want, but your accusations are just flat out false. I don't like Nikki Haley as a candidate, but I would vote for her over Harris. Same with plenty of other squish republicans.

Keep being the kid that takes his ball and goes home when you don't get your way. Im sure keeping your moral superiority intact is more important than actually voting for the best candidate available.

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This is something Trumpers just don't get... Trump is a loser. He is an incompetent leader and with him... we lose. We have him now because he was shoved down our throats by a bunch of people who just can't pull themselves away from the reality show. He's great for ratings, but he is a losing leader of the party. This isn't some sour grapes from the primary... this is a recognition that we will not ever do anything useful besides yell at clouds with him as the leader of this party.

All I know is that DeSantis wouldn't fight with R governors from states he needs to win, wouldn't be so obsessed with crowd size that he falls for fake images by interbeg trolls, wouldn't start beef with Joe Rogan because Rogan complimented RFK, and when asked if his VP is ready to be president wouldn't answer with anything except "YES"

But we have the oldest guy ever at the top of the ticket that had average 41% approval rating. What could go wrong?!

We're agreed on Kamala. She sucks, but they have the ability to make a celebrity out of anyone and we do not. Most people are stupid and will vote for their favorite celeb.

DeSantis playing baseball and being in the military doesn't magically confer to him the charisma needed to win the presidency. He is unremarkable personality wise. And when did I say we have a stable of other candidates that have a good shot at the presidency? That's the problem. We don't have any. We need to focus on building a machine to create it, or look for personalities that can do it themselves.

I don't have any major negative opinions about DeSantis. Personality wise or politically. You just need a polarizing personality to compete with the Democrats machine that he does not have.

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The new NY Times/Siena poll shows Trump down by 4 in all three rust belt Blue Wall states. Trump needs to win one of them to win the election, and he is losing by 4 in all three of them.

This is the whole point right here:

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Please. We have almost 90 days to go before election day.

The only solution is for you to jump into a deep hole or buck up, be a man, and start playing for the team.

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All I know is that DeSantis wouldn't fight with R governors from states he needs to win, wouldn't be so obsessed with crowd size that he falls for fake images by interbeg trolls, wouldn't start beef with Joe Rogan because Rogan complimented RFK, and when asked if his VP is ready to be president wouldn't answer with anything except "YES"

But we have the oldest guy ever at the top of the ticket that had average 41% approval rating. What could go wrong?!

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MAGA can't accept that a clear majority of America hates Trump. He has yet to win the popular vote and only won in 2016 due to Hillary being arrogant and not campaigning in key swing states. Even then, Hillary won the popular vote by a few million votes. Kamala is a terrible candidate, and with even a semi-normal candidate, the Republicans would have this election in the bag. However, MAGA just had to go with Trump again, and this election is an unnecessary toss up as a result.

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We're agreed on Kamala. She sucks, but they have the ability to make a celebrity out of anyone and we do not. Most people are stupid and will vote for their favorite celeb.

DeSantis playing baseball and being in the military doesn't magically confer to him the charisma needed to win the presidency. He is unremarkable personality wise. And when did I say we have a stable of other candidates that have a good shot at the presidency? That's the problem. We don't have any. We need to focus on building a machine to create it, or look for personalities that can do it themselves.

I don't have any major negative opinions about DeSantis. Personality wise or politically. You just need a polarizing personality to compete with the Democrats machine that he does not have.

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Could not disagree more. The left will win the polarizing game every time because the left requires emotion over rational thought. That is why Trump is a losing direction for conservatism. What is needed is someone who can move the conversation to be more rational. The left has gone off the rails so much, having a sane and reasonable response is finally something that will appeal to more people. Unless, of course, it is too late for the human race, but then it won't matter.

Your first problem is assuming enough people are rational enough to vote for that type of candidate. The Dem machine is still going to convince idiots that their candidate is a celebrity and they will vote for them. They will convince people the reasonable candidate is a racist bigot. They will vote that way unless you have the charisma to convince them otherwise. Or hell, enough charisma that nobody even cares.

America is already on a course of radicalization. The left is embracing it and they are winning. The right is now and continues to lose. Trump has been increasingly tame in every election since 2016 and that is why he is losing.

Betting odds say several of the "big time" Desantis supporters on this thread are merely huge TDS sufferers looking for validation.

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We're agreed on Kamala. She sucks, but they have the ability to make a celebrity out of anyone and we do not. Most people are stupid and will vote for their favorite celeb.

DeSantis playing baseball and being in the military doesn't magically confer to him the charisma needed to win the presidency. He is unremarkable personality wise. And when did I say we have a stable of other candidates that have a good shot at the presidency? That's the problem. We don't have any. We need to focus on building a machine to create it, or look for personalities that can do it themselves.

I don't have any major negative opinions about DeSantis. Personality wise or politically. You just need a polarizing personality to compete with the Democrats machine that he does not have.

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Actually the way to win the most votes is to be seen as a competent but likeable candidate. Polarizing candidates may win but they often turn off as many as they attract and they tend to flame out. The best candidates developed that over time as well. Reagan. Clinton. Obama. All became big charismatic candidates over time.

Trump is the unicorn and if you are looking for another Trump or even worse a lesser version of Trump that's a great way to lose. A lot. The proof is look at all the Trump endorsed candidates that have gotten crushed including celeb candidates like Dr Oz and Hershel Walker.

I think everyone pretty much agrees that Hillary might have been the worst presidential candidate of modern times. But supposedly Biden was a dementia-addled potato, and somehow he won. Harris is a cackling political hack who was shellacked in a primary against said potato, and now she's making a race of it. Maybe now the MAGA types will start to see who No. 2 on the list might be.

Merely huge TDS sufferers, they are TDS sufferers. Desantis bowed out back in back in January.

Yet here we are in the middle of August and we have another Desantis thread.

Dude gave up before the New Hampshire primary.

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He couldn't win the primary. End of story.

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The story isn't that he "couldn't win" the primary. The story is that an overwhelming majority of our population is heinously stupid. 50% of them vote for communists. 75% of the remaining 50% vote for Trump, who cant win. When the majority of the opposition party insists on voting for an opposition candidate who can't win, you get exactly the government you deserve. When Harris wins in November, everyone who insisted on voting for Trump over Desantis will get the government they voted for and the government they deserve.

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Bingo. And the rest of us will get undeservedly screwed. Thanks Trump cult.

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So will you be voting for Trump or taking your ball and going home? Like it or not, he beat your preferred candidate. So unless you think Harris is better for the country, you are worse than a Democrat if you choose to stay home.

Your options are pretty simple at this point.

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You people who think everyone should vote for whatever MAGA slaps a R logo on are a trip


Trump is not a conservative. Some former R voters will not support him. This should not be a surprise

If you wanted their vote you should have thought about that in the primary

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Desantis in a general gets slammed on abortion and culture war issues way harder than Trump. His economic policy is much the same as Trump. He doesn't have the successful foreign policy to run on that Trump has. I think Desantis is a great governor, but you people acting like Trump is a huge lib and Desantis is a conservative god send are deluded. They are very similar in most of the ways that matter.

You just can't get over your own emotions about the guy because you're unwilling to put country over self. And then you play the game of unfalsifiable claims about "this candidate is way better than the guy who won."

Keep blaming Trump for your own desires if you want, but your accusations are just flat out false. I don't like Nikki Haley as a candidate, but I would vote for her over Harris. Same with plenty of other squish republicans.

Keep being the kid that takes his ball and goes home when you don't get your way. Im sure keeping your moral superiority intact is more important than actually voting for the best candidate available.

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This is something Trumpers just don't get... Trump is a loser. He is an incompetent leader and with him... we lose. We have him now because he was shoved down our throats by a bunch of people who just can't pull themselves away from the reality show. He's great for ratings, but he is a losing leader of the party. This isn't some sour grapes from the primary... this is a recognition that we will not ever do anything useful besides yell at clouds with him as the leader of this party.

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I wish I was as big of a loser in life as Trump.

Before 2015, I doubt many people in this country would have called him a loser.

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I wish I was as big of a loser in life as Trump.

Before 2015, I doubt many people in this country would have called him a loser.

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He is great at making money and great at ratings. If that translated 1:1 to being a great leader of the conservative movement or a political party, we'd be having a completely different discussion. i don't get why this is hard to understand that they aren't the same thing.

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Kvetch said:

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He couldn't win the primary. End of story.

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The story isn't that he "couldn't win" the primary. The story is that an overwhelming majority of our population is heinously stupid. 50% of them vote for communists. 75% of the remaining 50% vote for Trump, who cant win. When the majority of the opposition party insists on voting for an opposition candidate who can't win, you get exactly the government you deserve. When Harris wins in November, everyone who insisted on voting for Trump over Desantis will get the government they voted for and the government they deserve.

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Bingo. And the rest of us will get undeservedly screwed. Thanks Trump cult.

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So will you be voting for Trump or taking your ball and going home? Like it or not, he beat your preferred candidate. So unless you think Harris is better for the country, you are worse than a Democrat if you choose to stay home.

Your options are pretty simple at this point.

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You people who think everyone should vote for whatever MAGA slaps a R logo on are a trip


Trump is not a conservative. Some former R voters will not support him. This should not be a surprise

If you wanted their vote you should have thought about that in the primary

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Desantis in a general gets slammed on abortion and culture war issues way harder than Trump. His economic policy is much the same as Trump. He doesn't have the successful foreign policy to run on that Trump has. I think Desantis is a great governor, but you people acting like Trump is a huge lib and Desantis is a conservative god send are deluded. They are very similar in most of the ways that matter.

You just can't get over your own emotions about the guy because you're unwilling to put country over self. And then you play the game of unfalsifiable claims about "this candidate is way better than the guy who won."

Keep blaming Trump for your own desires if you want, but your accusations are just flat out false. I don't like Nikki Haley as a candidate, but I would vote for her over Harris. Same with plenty of other squish republicans.

Keep being the kid that takes his ball and goes home when you don't get your way. Im sure keeping your moral superiority intact is more important than actually voting for the best candidate available.

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This is something Trumpers just don't get... Trump is a loser. He is an incompetent leader and with him... we lose. We have him now because he was shoved down our throats by a bunch of people who just can't pull themselves away from the reality show. He's great for ratings, but he is a losing leader of the party. This isn't some sour grapes from the primary... this is a recognition that we will not ever do anything useful besides yell at clouds with him as the leader of this party.

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Cope with reality. Even if this were the case, he can only serve one more term. Elect him and you'll be done with him in 4 years without having to go through a Harris term. But no, you'd rather be self righteous and call people who are far more successful than you'll ever be losers.

It would be funny how dumb your logic is if it weren't so sad. He's the nominee. The voters have spoken.

Also, maybe it's less about the reality show and more about electing someone who loves the country, had an effective first term, and counters the radical nonsense of the left.

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I think everyone pretty much agrees that Hillary might have been the worst presidential candidate of modern times. But supposedly Biden was a dementia-addled potato, and somehow he won. Harris is a cackling political hack who was shellacked in a primary against said potato, and now she's making a race of it. Maybe now the MAGA types will start to see who No. 2 on the list might be.

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They'll just say that the Democrats cheated again. In reality, people just don't like Trump.

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I wish I was as big of a loser in life as Trump.

Before 2015, I doubt many people in this country would have called him a loser.

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He is great at making money and great at ratings. If that translated 1:1 to being a great leader of the conservative movement or a political party, we'd be having a completely different discussion. i don't get why this is hard to understand that they aren't the same thing.

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Did you think he was a big loser before 2015?

You called him a loser. I disagree. I think he's lived a great life, and has done a lot of for a lot of people, and that started well before 2015.

His contributions to the game of golf make him a winner in my book regardless of anything else. He builds super golf courses.

Is he a loser politically? Well, he won an election and was POTUS for 4 years. I'm not sure many would call that being a loser. But maybe that's just me.

Have a great rest of your night.

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The big thing I don't like about the Trump movement is the inability to course correct. I think if you asked any DeSantis supporter, they would say he needs to be less awkward and rehearsed and that he ran a relatively bad campaign. If he wants to run again, improvements need to be made.

Trump and his team/supporters refuse to see or acknowledge any missteps. If you even bring them up, you are labeled a CM or RINO. So they just keep doubling down on strategies that have never worked. It is infuriating to watch. No better than the Biden echo chamber that kept trotting him out, despite how badly he looked and sounded.

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You are right about his inability to course correct or take a long time to course correct. I hope the Ace in the hole for Trump this time around is going to be all that the RNC is doing to try to counter the Fraud. It's probably not near enough, but it might make it harder and scare some of the ones doing it. When things like that get harder people make mistakes and get caught...

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I wish I was as big of a loser in life as Trump.

Before 2015, I doubt many people in this country would have called him a loser.

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He is great at making money and great at ratings. If that translated 1:1 to being a great leader of the conservative movement or a political party, we'd be having a completely different discussion. i don't get why this is hard to understand that they aren't the same thing.

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Did you think he was a big loser before 2015?

You called him a loser. I disagree. I think he's lived a great life, and has done a lot of for a lot of people, and that started well before 2015.

His contributions to the game of golf make him a winner in my book regardless of anything else. He builds super golf courses.

Is he a loser politically? We'll, he won an election and was POTUS for 4 years. I'm not sure many would call that being a loser. But maybe that's just me.

Have a great rest.if your night.

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I don't mean he's a loser in the way he didn't amount to anything. I mean the kind of leader who perpetually puts those he leads into less and less tenable position, so that we will always be worse off then before because of his actions. Yes, he won 1 election back in 2016. Since then we have lost a great deal of ground because of his "leadership" style and poor management. I say he is a loser in that we will lose long term politically with him. That is just what will happen, not that I think Harris or anyone on the left is better, just that when you put someone incompetent at that particular position in charge, don't expect to get good results simply because he isn't the Democrat nominee.

One things for sure, any Dem reading this thread is loving how Republicans are just eating their own because of a couple of meaningless polls.

The enemy is Kamala and the marxists yet we've got posters here who claim to be Republicans and claim to be voting for Trump but bring more negative energy and stories about Trump to this board than the resident leftists do.

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One things for sure, any Dem reading this thread is loving how Republicans are just eating their own because of a couple of meaningless polls.

The enemy is Kamala and the marxists yet we've got posters here who claim to be Republicans and claim to be voting for Trump but bring more negative energy and stories about Trump to this board than the resident leftists do.

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Yep. And they are literally giving up and saying it's over on August 11th.

If you want someone other than Trump then don't run fem-Romney or an (R) with the personality of a brick against him. We need BETTER CHALLENGERS!

Why was DeSantis ever under consideration? The guy had to train himself to speak to /joke with ordinary people and still failed miserably.

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Why was DeSantis ever under consideration? The guy had to train himself to speak to /joke with ordinary people and still failed miserably.

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Yeah who cares if he's been an excellent conservative governor. Has he ever had a reality tv show? He didn't even have a catch phrase!

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Why was DeSantis ever under consideration? The guy had to train himself to speak to /joke with ordinary people and still failed miserably.

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Yeah who cares if he's been an excellent conservative governor. Has he ever had a reality tv show? He didn't even have a catch phrase!

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He's short, has a gay/nasally voice, and is generally perceived as whiny. Complete non-starter as a legitimate presidential candidate.

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Why was DeSantis ever under consideration? The guy had to train himself to speak to /joke with ordinary people and still failed miserably.

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Yeah who cares if he's been an excellent conservative governor. Has he ever had a reality tv show? He didn't even have a catch phrase!

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He's short, has a gay/nasally voice, and is generally perceived as whiny. Complete non-starter as a legitimate presidential candidate.

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Yeah give me an octogenarian fake conservative that is absolutely hated by more than half the country and can't stop handing his opponent wins with unforced errors. That's the ticket! At least he's… uh… tall? And his voice is… uh… heterosexual?

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Your first problem is assuming enough people are rational enough to vote for that type of candidate. The Dem machine is still going to convince idiots that their candidate is a celebrity and they will vote for them. They will convince people the reasonable candidate is a racist bigot.

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Trump himself has already convinced the majority of them that he's a doddering old man who spends his days yelling at clouds. The Dem machine, the media etc ... won't have anything to do with it.

Trump lost by seven million votes last time. Then came Jan. 6. Then came 3.5 years of petty, personal grievances, aired daily. Not one person who voted for Biden last time is going to vote for Trump this time, but Trump definitely has LOST some voters over the last 3.5 years.

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Why was DeSantis ever under consideration? The guy had to train himself to speak to /joke with ordinary people and still failed miserably.

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Yeah who cares if he's been an excellent conservative governor. Has he ever had a reality tv show? He didn't even have a catch phrase!

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It should have been Hailey. What might have been! Sigh ...

I didn't want Haley but what I really don't want is Kamala. Haley would beat Kamala easily IMO

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Merely huge TDS sufferers, they are TDS sufferers. Desantis bowed out back in back in January.

Yet here we are in the middle of August and we have another Desantis thread.

Dude gave up before the New Hampshire primary.

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I just looked, and in terms of number of supporters, DeSantis has more on this thread than actual votes received in the primaries.

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Why was DeSantis ever under consideration? The guy had to train himself to speak to /joke with ordinary people and still failed miserably.

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Yeah who cares if he's been an excellent conservative governor. Has he ever had a reality tv show? He didn't even have a catch phrase!

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He's short, has a gay/nasally voice, and is generally perceived as whiny. Complete non-starter as a legitimate presidential candidate.

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Yeah give me an octogenarian fake conservative that is absolutely hated by more than half the country and can't stop handing his opponent wins with unforced errors. That's the ticket! At least he's… uh… tall? And his voice is… uh… heterosexual?

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Yes? Goes to show you how poor of a presidential candidate DeSantis was and forever will be.

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I didn't want Haley but what I really don't want is Kamala. Haley would beat Kamala easily IMO

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I don't think so. Kamala can at least be presented as having a personality. Haley is a bore through and through. No fixing that.

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It's fascinating watching sentiment swings in real time.

The democrats were dying. They were literally chalking up a Trump win. Then they force Biden out and insert..

checks notes..

The most unpopular democrat candiate this century.

They start forcefeeding MSM garbage down every avenue. And even apparetnly smart conservatives are lapping it up and melting down on message boards now.

Tell me, what changed about Trump and Kamala in the last 4 weeks? Or are you merely playing exactly the part the media wants you to play?

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The media has covered for her ineptitude.

They have actually actively propagandized for her. Painted her as not having anything to do with the failures of the current administration; Painted her as a moderate; Painted her as an good prosecutor. etc.

She has been introduced to the independents / mushy moderates, as someone who is reasonable and someone who will be a historic pick. These same independents who couldn't have even remembered her name as the VP, let alone her short lived prior campaign.

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Why would Trump want to work to be like a Desantis, when Desantis couldn't win the party nomination.

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He's not running for the nomination anymore.

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One things for sure, any Dem reading this thread is loving how Republicans are just eating their own because of a couple of meaningless polls.

The enemy is Kamala and the marxists yet we've got posters here who claim to be Republicans and claim to be voting for Trump but bring more negative energy and stories about Trump to this board than the resident leftists do.

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Maybe Trump should stop attacking Republicans then, just a thought.

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The new NY Times/Siena poll shows Trump down by 4 in all three rust belt Blue Wall states. Trump needs to win one of them to win the election, and he is losing by 4 in all three of them.

This is the whole point right here:

"The economic and security fundamentals are teed up for a Republican victory. Voters and especially the working class are unhappy with the economy, as average real incomes have declined across the Biden Presidency. The chaos at the border has spread to cities around the country. The Administration's insistence on imposing progressive cultural policies by diktat has produced resentment and a strong counter-reaction. Wars are raging in Europe and the Middle East, and China menaces in the Western Pacific. All of this has voters unhappy about the state of the country and looking for change."

Republicans have an advantage on the top issues of the economy/inflation/prices, immigration/illegal immigration, crime, and foreign policy. Unprecedented levels of inflation, illegal immigration, and violent crime/homicides not seen in 4 decades during the Biden/Harris administration. Everything was set up perfectly for a generic Republican to win the presidency. Trump is losing with the crazy symmetry of Kamala bailing out violent criminals from jail in the same state at the same time that her VP nominee was letting the state get destroyed with unprecedented levels of violence by refusing to send in the national guard. What are the chances? Walz actually asked the Minneapolis National Guard if they have proper DEI training among a list of many other ridiculous questions before he would even consider sending them in (I am not kidding look it up). That same fund that Kamala contributed to has since released multiple violent offenders who have gone on to murder people.

Every Desantis supporter has been telling everyone that Trump cannot win because while conservative/Republican policies are popular, Trump has extremely high unfavorables. It is shocking to me the primary voters in Iowa had so much loyalty to Trump when he is a center left moderate. Bill Clinton of the 90s is very similar to Trump from a policy perspective (side note: shocking how far left the Dems have gone from Clinton in the 90s to openly Marxist Kamala/Walz). Trump is hated because he does stupid stuff like attack the extremely popular and successful conservative governor of a large swing state who ended Stacey Abrams career. He also does stupid stuff like cost Republicans 3 senate elections in Georgia over the course of 22 months. Trump forced the worst candidate in history in Walker on Republicans.

The sad part about Trump being the nominee is that the bench is so good: Desantis, Youngkin, Sununu, Kemp, Abbott, Reynolds, Cotton, Ted Budd, Little, Gianforte, Stitt, Haley, Lee, and Rubio.

I am turning my interest towards the Sheehy US Senate election in Montana, and the Texas Senate and Texas House elections. After the most successful primary for conservatives in Texas history, anywhere from 24-27 new grassroots conservatives will be coming to the Texas House, and a couple of new grassroots conservatives will be coming to the Texas Senate. Texas Republicans also have a great opportunity to flip the House District 80 Uvalde Texas House seat to Republican. Abbott won that district by 6 points in 2022, and Republicans are now favored to flip it.

I feel really bad for Thomas and Alito who cannot enjoy retirement in their 70s after decades of excellent service because of Trump's hubris.

I also feel bad for the useful idiot Democrats that primarily live in large urban counties like Ryan Carson. When Kamala and Walz accomplish their goal of turning the US into modern day South Africa, Democrats who primarily live in urban counties will sadly be the most negatively affected. Republicans in the US overwhelmingly live in suburban, exurban, and rural counties.

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You know how we can tell that the problem with the GOP is that Trump sucks as a candidate?

Because Kamala and Walz are pretending to be Republicans to get elected.