So no, you don't have a source. Thanks.

LOL. My source is the fact that physical sex has been determined by physical inspection for thousands of years, while chromosomes were only discovered for the first time in 1882 and the Y chromosome in 1905.

Again, how did someone determine your sex? Do you have a copy of your genetics test?

So you have nothing to back it up. It was a simple question. Thanks.

I have a driver's license, that says I'm male. A birth certificate. I have a *****. And its likely that no single person has proof that I am XY. There is only anecdotal evidence of it.

I learned sex is based on chromosomes in 6th grade biology.

By your definition my sex is ambiguous. Nobody knows, including me, whether or not I have XY or not for sure. And yet, not one single person has ever doubted my physical sex. How did that work?

Again, Dunning-Krueger, you learned **** all about chromosomes in 6th grade biology. Just basic child information, and now you think XX and XY black and white female and male, because thats the simplified version.

XX and XY are just instruction books we carry in our cells. The hormones and real, physical biology that happened to us in the womb made us male or female. Most of the time the instructions were read correctly, but sometimes they are not.

That's not my definition, that's the definition.

Do you have another source that Indicates otherwise?

There is no default state in mammals. That is also untrue.

You just claim "all the sources you can find" dont say that sex is based on genitalia, and then expect me to prove you wrong, when that is a ridiculous claim. There are likely millions of sources that link physical sex with genetalia or with type of gonadal tissue if we're not talking humans. Your claim that I must prove to you that sex is based on physical form is dumb. I dont need to do that. It was patently obvious when i pointed out to you that we knew and defined physical sex before we even knew chromosomes existed at all.

Ok, post one. I'm not finding one that says genitalia is the determining factor for sex, not chromosomes.

Edit: we have been discussing humans this entire time, so the argument that you can find sources for other animals is extremely irrelevant to the conversation. It comes across as a deflection to you making a flawed argument.

OK first try

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sex

Im sure you'll claim victory since it mentions XX and XY in the first definition, but sex is and always has been the division by physical characteristics, of which the chromosomes are merely one of the possible factors (even if an important one).

To totally own the left on this, you gotta explain you are only against trans women playing in women's sports, but totally support trans men playing in men's sports. Say the science clearly tells us humans born with Y chromo have physical advantages over humans only born with X. Then ask the liberal accross from you why they are anti-science?

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OK first try

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sex

Im sure you'll claim victory since it mentions XX and XY in the first definition, but sex is and always has been the division by physical characteristics, of which the chromosomes are merely one of the possible factors (even if an important one).

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Yes, that says chromosomes define sex, genitalia can be used to assign a determination. But they don't override chromosomes. To bring it back to the OP, it has been determined previously the boxer has a Y chromosome.

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That's not my definition, that's the definition.

Do you have another source that Indicates otherwise?

There is no default state in mammals. That is also untrue.[citation needed]

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26940/#:~:text=If%20the%20genital%20ridges%20are,of%20sexual%20development%20in%20mammals.

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If the genital ridges are removed before they have started to develop into testes or ovaries, a mammal develops into a female, regardless of the sex chromosomes it carries. It seems that female development is the "default" pathway of sexual development in mammals.

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If something goes wrong with gonadal tissue development at early stages, then mammals absolutely default to female form regardless of their chromosomes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9967/

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In mammalian primary sex determination, there is no "default state." The formation of ovaries and testes are both active, gene-directed processes. Moreover, as we shall see, both diverge from a common precursor, the bipotential gonad.

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That source is from 2000, so perhaps the science has evolved more since then. If so, then I fully admit I'm incorrect on that point.

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In mammalian primary sex determination, there is no "default state." The formation of ovaries and testes are both active, gene-directed processes. Moreover, as we shall see, both diverge from a common precursor, the bipotential gonad.

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That source is from 2000, so perhaps the science has evolved more since then. If so, then I fully admit I'm incorrect on that point.

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I read your linked source even beyond what you quoted until I got to this.

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However, in the absence of gonads, the female phenotype is generated. When Jost (1953) removed fetal rabbit gonads before they had differentiated, the resulting rabbits had a female phenotype, regardless of whether they were XX or XY. They each had oviducts, a uterus, and a vagina, and each lacked a ***** and male accessory structures.

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The use of the word phenotype is important. Phenotype is the set of observable characteristics of an individual. This is what has always been the basis of physical sex. What you're talking about is called "genotype." Genotype is the genetic constitution of the individual.

Phenotype is the genotype only after it has been expressed into our physical embodiment and after interactions with our environment. Thats the issue here, people are wanting to "look at the code" to make judgements on this person "how they should have been" based on their 6th grade biology class, while ignoring the physical reality of what the physical characteristics of this person were when they were born.

Here's something crazy i came across cited on wikipedia. Apparently in a family riddled with a history of abnormal genetic/sexual stuff going on apparently an XY female actually had two unassisted pregnancies and even actually reproduced having an XY daughter somehow. Thats crazy and hard to believe.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

Random, but are you selling football tickets to the tu game?

Y'all realize this woman was born with a ***** and is not transitioning right??? That same sweet puss ole Don Juan is out here grabbing them by??? She was born with lady parts and is competing with those lady parts. Y'all think Lolo Jones fine ass has the same T levels as an average women?? Absolutely not. You also realized this same female boxer was competing in the 2020 Olympics as a woman, were y'all *****ing then??? She has been beaten by females in competition. The girl from Italy quit lol. This boards double standards blow me away. "If you are born with certain genitals that's what you are" also "girl born with a puss is a man because of her t levels. How do y'all feel about this one that actually had a dick!!!!!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanisawa_Walasiewicz

Also are we chromosome testing all the trans people. If someone has xx chromosome and a ***** and identifies as a woman are we taking the time to do the science or are we talking **** and judging? Or should we take the Christian route and not judge lest we be judge and love our neighbor regardless? Still trying to figure out how the F16 board operates and what their real character is.

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I never expressed that opinion and I don't believe anyone else did in this thread. But you do you, bro.

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Nor does this thread prove "both parties can think beyond" biology as you asserted. No need to get defensive. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

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People have moved a little beyond 'Kindergarten Cop' biology. That's a win for our society.
Don't be mad about it. Embrace it.

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Embrace what? All you've done is get upset with me for "mischaracterizing" your beliefs on gender…but you've yet to actually state what those beliefs are. You're just upset with others. Back up your positions and maybe you'll be less frustrated.

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That's someone's daughter. Who trained her whole life to compete in the Olympics.

I hope we wake up soon….

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'all time low in society? …nah I think atrocities like the Holocaust, slavery, and about a thousand other historical events where humans did terrible things could easily rank exponentially worse than this relatively very trivial event.

But agree that Algerian boxer should not have been allowed to qualify by the ICC, after reading up on the fighters history. Smells fishy.

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Y'all realize this woman was born with a ***** and is not transitioning right??? That same sweet puss ole Don Juan is out here grabbing them by??? She was born with lady parts and is competing with those lady parts. Y'all think Lolo Jones fine ass has the same T levels as an average women?? Absolutely not. You also realized this same female boxer was competing in the 2020 Olympics as a woman, were y'all *****ing then??? She has been beaten by females in competition. The girl from Italy quit lol. This boards double standards blow me away. "If you are born with certain genitals that's what you are" also "girl born with a puss is a man because of her t levels. How do y'all feel about this one that actually had a dick!!!!!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanisawa_Walasiewicz

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You came all the way from Premium to post this ????

Yep lol. I'm here for the football but you tinfoil hat wearing guys have peaked my interest in the offseason. Believe me foot ball can't start soon enough lol. This is site is the only form of social media I participate in and this particular board reminds me why I got off the other socials. Y'all are a rare breed though I will give you that!!! Fall camp has started and my focus will shift quickly but it was definitely an entertaining read while it lasted lol.

I am the one that blue stared your post also!

Because she was born with a vagina and is from Algeria.
How would you expect it to smell

Yep, just as crazy and condescending as the other Premium trolls who post and run

It's not post and run. It's realizing the kind of people you have to deal with in this board and seeing there is no reasoning to be done. You guys are so far into your own reality it is simply more fun to spectate and move on. I know you have your devout Christian moral and beliefs and capitalism is king. It's almost like you don't realize the socialist principles your savior taught and you certainly won't embrace a thou shalt not judge stance.
I remember when I believed in Santa and the tooth fairy also. I get where you are coming from. It's just not worth my time to banter back and forth. When I see a topic that goes super hypocritical like this one I can't help but call out your bull**** but that is a flaw I have and realize I need to work on. I should let you do you as your opinions and thoughts are just as valid as my own. I'm not engaging and running I just don't have willingness to go back and forth with you guys all night. I've said my piece and I wish you the best not matter how silly I think your words or thought process is, you are entitled to it!!!!

Nvm

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not matter how silly I think your words or thought process is,

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Preachy to top it off

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Preachy and wrong.

Hahaha I'm good on the preachy. To each their own. I actually admire how committed y'all are to your cause.
I'm not here to slow y'all down I'm just here for my own personal amusement. I should have just stayed quiet. Don't mind me just do you, I will hang up and listen now!!!

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It's not post and run. It's realizing the kind of people you have to deal with in this board and seeing there is no reasoning to be done. You guys are so far into your own reality it is simply more fun to spectate and move on. I know you have your devout Christian moral and beliefs and capitalism is king. It's almost like you don't realize the socialist principles your savior taught and you certainly won't embrace a thou shalt not judge stance.
I remember when I believed in Santa and the tooth fairy also. I get where you are coming from. It's just not worth my time to banter back and forth. When I see a topic that goes super hypocritical like this one I can't help but call out your bull**** but that is a flaw I have and realize I need to work on. I should let you do you as your opinions and thoughts are just as valid as my own. I'm not engaging and running I just don't have willingness to go back and forth with you guys all night. I've said my piece and I wish you the best not matter how silly I think your words or thought process is, you are entitled to it!!!!

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If you wee born with a tool, you are male. If you were born without a tool, you are female. End of story.