Same group that relishes killing babies.fixer said:
For those unsure: men beating women for sport is a form of progress for the left.
I like your thinking but it should go a few steps further.Canyon Lake Agbu94 said:
There should be three divisions. Men, women, and transitioning. Let the laws of supply and demand settle it.
It wasn't Downs but Spain fielded a team of non-special Olympians for basketball at Sydney 2000.Funky Winkerbean said:
How about someone identify as having Downs Syndrome and compete in the Special Olympics…the world would stop turning.
AggieVictor10 said:
This is the evil that kamala wants to force on the US
Aggie Therapist said:
That's someone's daughter. Who trained her whole life to compete in the Olympics.
I hope we wake up soon….
No, it is not.AtticusMatlock said:
this is a little bit more difficult of a situation.
If you were female, would you want to look like that and never be able to have kids?JJxvi said:
Was she "dealt a crappy hand"? In what way?
JJxvi said:
Now this is pure speculation, but as a thought experiment, what if it turned out that like Babe Didrikson Zaharias was intersex or had XY if they were able to test her DNA now. Would that make her not a woman? Would it invalidate everything that she's famous for?
She was almost certainly female in sex. Was married to man, I dont think was ever able to have kids, was considered manly, and not to have feminine features, and also to have had lesbian relationships.
The athletic accomplishments are stunning, gold medals and world records at the 1932 olympics, spread among all three T&F disciplines (running, jumping, and throwing), later becoming a women's tour golfer (and at a peak being considered the best one), playing golf against men, playing baseball in MLB exhibition games...its ridiculous.
So possibly by these new modern standards was she a "cheat" that didnt even have a clue that she was cheating?
South Park did that one, tooFunky Winkerbean said:
How about someone identify as having Downs Syndrome and compete in the Special Olympics…the world would stop turning.
But can I box? Swim? Hit a softball?CanyonAg77 said:If you were female, would you want to look like that and never be able to have kids?JJxvi said:
Was she "dealt a crappy hand"? In what way?
0.018% (NIH) of population being intersex seems to meet the definition of rare.JJxvi said:
Was she "dealt a crappy hand"? In what way? i mean, Im guessing she is infertile, so thats crappy, but that doesnt make her unique or rare. If she never boxed, she'd probably just be in Algeria...a woman never having known that this was what was "wrong" with her as countless women have likely done for thousands of years.
Ciboag96 said:
Riddle me this Batman: How do the rabid feminists, who promote women's empowerment, also support men in drag beating the absolute **** out of women?
Also goes along with LGBTQ proponents supporting Islamists?
It. Doesn't. Make. Any. ****ing. Sense.
4 said:JJxvi said:
Now this is pure speculation, but as a thought experiment, what if it turned out that like Babe Didrikson Zaharias was intersex or had XY if they were able to test her DNA now. Would that make her not a woman? Would it invalidate everything that she's famous for?
She was almost certainly female in sex. Was married to man, I dont think was ever able to have kids, was considered manly, and not to have feminine features, and also to have had lesbian relationships.
The athletic accomplishments are stunning, gold medals and world records at the 1932 olympics, spread among all three T&F disciplines (running, jumping, and throwing), later becoming a women's tour golfer (and at a peak being considered the best one), playing golf against men, playing baseball in MLB exhibition games...its ridiculous.
So possibly by these new modern standards was she a "cheat" that didnt even have a clue that she was cheating?
I know this... I wouldn't have dated her
JJxvi said:
Leaving ideological sides out of it, this is not a simple situation.
This boxer is a woman or female by sex. Female sex being determined by examining your physical characteristics, the same way its been done for all time. 10 years ago, 100 years ago, 1000 years ago, she would be female and therefore a woman. Now we are aware now through genetic testing, that a medical anomaly exists with her which is likely what gives her an advantage in her sport. She has the genes of a man, that through some medical complication werent expressed in physical sex, but may be expressed in ways that give her an advantage over the typical woman. She's not trans, and she comes from Algeria, where I'm guessing sex changes aren't like a big thing.
But what should we do about it? Obviously if its dangerous, that is a good argument for keeping her out, but just that she's "got an advantage" is a murky area. Everybody competing for gold in a physical based sport was likely born with an "unfair" advantage over 99.9% of the rest of the world if we are being honest. Yao Ming didnt become a pro basketball player solely on the basis of outworking all the other chinese kids, for example.
This boxer also competed in the last olympics by the way.
K2-HMFIC said:This is a weird one...biologically, Khelif is a woman. She was born with female reproductive organs...she just fits into this weird box where she also has XY chromosomes.pagerman @ work said:If they have XY chromosomes, it really isn't that difficult when it comes to women's athletics, and particularly boxing, where they could potentially kill a woman.AtticusMatlock said:
This boxer and the other one from Taiwan are not trans, they are intersex. They have been presenting as female from birth.
I think the higher levels of testosterone should probably preclude them from competing against women but this is a little bit more difficult of a situation.
The IBA and IBF don't let them fight women. That should be sufficient.
Edited to add:
It should be sufficient, but then you have this insanity:This stupidity cannot be reconciled with the amount of steroid testing that goes on to ensure that male and female athletes aren't doping.Quote:
International Olympic Committee spokesman Mark Adams said before the Olympics boxing match between Carini and Khelif that "These boxers [Khelif and Tu-ting] are entirely eligible. They are women on their passports. It's not helpful to start stigmatizing like this. We all have a responsibility not to turn it into some kind of witch-hunt."
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The IOC's "Portrayal Guidelines" instruct members of the media not to use the "problematic" terms "male" and "female" in their coverage of the Olympics.
"A person's sex category is not assigned based on genetics alone," the guidelines read.
Except at this point they're, presumably, equally matched.JJxvi said:
Everybody competing for gold in a physical based sport was likely born with an "unfair" advantage over 99.9% of the rest of the world if we are being honest.
Both fighters in the fight were born with vaginas.agAngeldad said:
Cut off the boys and shaft them let them fight.
BrazosDog02 said:JJxvi said:
Leaving ideological sides out of it, this is not a simple situation.
This boxer is a woman or female by sex. Female sex being determined by examining your physical characteristics, the same way its been done for all time. 10 years ago, 100 years ago, 1000 years ago, she would be female and therefore a woman. Now we are aware now through genetic testing, that a medical anomaly exists with her which is likely what gives her an advantage in her sport. She has the genes of a man, that through some medical complication werent expressed in physical sex, but may be expressed in ways that give her an advantage over the typical woman. She's not trans, and she comes from Algeria, where I'm guessing sex changes aren't like a big thing.
But what should we do about it? Obviously if its dangerous, that is a good argument for keeping her out, but just that she's "got an advantage" is a murky area. Everybody competing for gold in a physical based sport was likely born with an "unfair" advantage over 99.9% of the rest of the world if we are being honest. Yao Ming didnt become a pro basketball player solely on the basis of outworking all the other chinese kids, for example.
This boxer also competed in the last olympics by the way.
This is a non issue and completely different from trans stuff. As stated this is a woman with male genetics. She is not trans. As such, sounds like a tough break for the opponent but it is what it is. I can't fault the person for taking full advantage of her condition. It's no different than my friend being physically adept and going to NCAA and Pro when I could train three times as hard as he does and never make athlete out of myself. It sucks but it is what it is.
So are you advocating for a third physical sex? She's born with a vagina. They look , and they decide...is this male or female? You want to make it more intensive than that for everybody born everywhere in the world? I thought we were for binary simplicity here?Captain Pablo said:K2-HMFIC said:This is a weird one...biologically, Khelif is a woman. She was born with female reproductive organs...she just fits into this weird box where she also has XY chromosomes.pagerman @ work said:If they have XY chromosomes, it really isn't that difficult when it comes to women's athletics, and particularly boxing, where they could potentially kill a woman.AtticusMatlock said:
This boxer and the other one from Taiwan are not trans, they are intersex. They have been presenting as female from birth.
I think the higher levels of testosterone should probably preclude them from competing against women but this is a little bit more difficult of a situation.
The IBA and IBF don't let them fight women. That should be sufficient.
Edited to add:
It should be sufficient, but then you have this insanity:This stupidity cannot be reconciled with the amount of steroid testing that goes on to ensure that male and female athletes aren't doping.Quote:
International Olympic Committee spokesman Mark Adams said before the Olympics boxing match between Carini and Khelif that "These boxers [Khelif and Tu-ting] are entirely eligible. They are women on their passports. It's not helpful to start stigmatizing like this. We all have a responsibility not to turn it into some kind of witch-hunt."
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The IOC's "Portrayal Guidelines" instruct members of the media not to use the "problematic" terms "male" and "female" in their coverage of the Olympics.
"A person's sex category is not assigned based on genetics alone," the guidelines read.
How do you know what reproductive organs Khelif has?
Functional Ovaries? A uterus?
Is there ovulation? Eggs? A monthly visitor?
Or is there simply a lack of make genitalia and you've labeled that "female reproductive organs"
What's the situation specifically?
JJxvi said:Both fighters in the fight were born with vaginas.agAngeldad said:
Cut off the boys and shaft them let them fight.
I don't "know" anything except the reported facts that I read about it. I haven't examined her. Feel free to prove that she had a dick and cut it off or whatever. I guess the Algerians are ramping up the Allah Akbar trans athlete squad or whatever.Captain Pablo said:JJxvi said:Both fighters in the fight were born with vaginas.agAngeldad said:
Cut off the boys and shaft them let them fight.
How do you know?
