I think it's pretty obvious that the Democrats will have Biden step down between now and the election in November.

There seems to be a belief out there that if Kamala is the incumbent President, she'll be more electable.
Plus the Dems want to take the credit for crowning the first female President. Especially since Hillary blew it in 2016 they don't want to let this chance slip away.

Making Kamala #47 will mean that Trump fans will have to re-buy all their merchandise with #48 on it.

In Australia, the Labor Party did the same thing in 2010 by backstabbing Kevin Rudd in a leadership spill and choosing Julia Gillard as the first female Prime Minister. But since Julia wasn't likeable, they later re-instated Kevin Rudd to try to win an election in 2013 which failed.

Listening to Scott Adams on Monday, he suggested that they couldn't make the switch until after the Democrat National Convention at the end of August because they wouldn't want a situation where Kamala was the incumbent President but didn't win the nomination in a contested convention. At this point, I don't think that reasoning holds up.

No matter which day they choose, it's one that's going in the history books.

So, what is the date you think it will happen?

I'm hoping for never but... realistically, I'm thinking Sunday, September 1st.

January 6.

Tomorrow after the Oval address

Edit: i guess that is actually today now

I think it's too much of an "opportunity" for the democrats to pass up. They get to check that ultimate DEI box of having the first black female POTUS plus the incumbency boost. The only question is, does Biden have enough pride and self-respect at this point not to cave in. I think he's thoroughly demoralized at this point.

I don't think many Trump fans will worry about the merchandise much considered what is gained here.

Giver her as much as the spotlight as possible... please remind the country why she had 3% in the the dnc primary before dropping out.

Give her all the responsibility... she's definitely done great with what little she's had as VP and her responsibilities in CA prior.

Republicans are and should be pushing for this. It's a win win. Get to push back on the racist bull**** and get to let her hurt herself.

It would have to go thru Jill right?
Isn't Jill the WH shot caller deciding if Joe steps out of the race, or resigns altogether?

Just a few days ago, Rockdoc, annie and most of F16 were claiming the buck stops with Jill. Is that no longer the case ? Did the BS "WH clinging Jill" narrative totally disappear, already?

August 13.

I predicted all this on here months ago. Biden would stop his candidacy but remain president until after the convention. Then he will resign and Kamala would ascend. I agree that Sunday Sept 1 is the perfect timing. Also, Kamala will lose and then pardon all the Bidens before Trump takes over again on Jan 20.

The date doesn't exist though

BlueTaze said:

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It would have to go thru Jill right?
Isn't Jill the WH shot caller deciding if Joe steps out of the race, or resigns altogether?

Just a few days ago, Rockdoc, annie and most of F16 were claiming the buck stops with Jill. Is that no longer the case ? Did the BS "WH clinging Jill" narrative totally disappear, already?

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Jill will be satisfied when the extortion check clears.

While I despise Biden, I respect the office. Kamala hasn't earned the opportunity and clearly doesn't deserve the honor. We can all choke down 4 more months of Biden in lieu if the cringe associated with Kamala and all the fake news about how much good she's done for our country during her service.

Soon. Deep state panic is real.

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I think it's pretty obvious that the Democrats will have Biden step down between now and the election in November

Listening to Scott Adams on Monday, he suggested that they couldn't make the switch until after the Democrat National Convention at the end of August because they wouldn't want a situation where Kamala was the incumbent President but didn't win the nomination in a contested convention.



So, what is the date you think it will happen?

I'm hoping for never but... realistically, I'm thinking Sunday, September 1st.

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KH is going to be the nominee these are not random people who get to be the DNC delegates these are party faithful who fully support the Biden/Harris ticket and will support the Harris/VP-tba ticket

The Roll call via Zoom call in about 10 days is when the nominee will be set NOT the convention. Between the virtual roll call and the convention makes sense

The one hang up is can KH get a VP confirmed in an expedited manner I doubt the Ds would want speaker Johnson one heartbeat from the presidency which would be the case from Biden's resignation to the confirmation of the new VP

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The one hang up is can KH get a VP confirmed in an expedited manner I doubt the Ds would want speaker Johnson one heartbeat from the presidency which would be the case from Biden's resignation to the confirmation of the new VP

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Thinking back to Nixon, Ford and August 1974, didn't Congress have to vote on and "approve" Rockefeller?

I am almost certain the VP
Has to be confirmed
With resignations and empty seats and No Tie breaking vote from Harris not sure if the Ds have a majority or how long the vote can be held up on procedural grounds

Both sides were happy that Nixon resigned and did not see an advantage of holding up the confirmation of the new VP

Her becoming POTUS before the election hurts the Dems, so if it happens it would be after November 4th. I'll guess

They need the 'elect the first black woman' propaganda to drive people to the polls. If they force Biden to resign and put Kamala as POTUS now, they lose that card and less need for the DEI voters to get out and vote.

I think they keep Biden drugged up just long enough to get him through the election then if Trump wins it's a coin flip if they let Kamala get the 47th title for a couple of months.

I'll pick November 29th, the Friday after Thanksgiving.

If Kamala becomes president before the election, there will not be a VP voted on until after election.

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Soon. Deep state panic is real.

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What the hall are those supposed pictures of Obama's mom?

Eh, they can always go with the "only a racist would not re-elect the first female black president"

I don't think it matters to them.

politically, I think it makes Harris appear stronger if she becomes the actual President and can use the office as an incumbent.

better to have her as a candidate

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It would have to go thru Jill right?
Isn't Jill the WH shot caller deciding if Joe steps out of the race, or resigns altogether?

Just a few days ago, Rockdoc, annie and most of F16 were claiming the buck stops with Jill. Is that no longer the case ? Did the BS "WH clinging Jill" narrative totally disappear, already?

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You'll have to forgive us for thinking that the person that leads Joe by the hand everywhere and often speaks for him also makes decisions for him. Also, you have no idea whether Jill made this decision for him or not. Sorry, no "gotchya" points awarded.

As previously stated:


If Biden dies/steps down, you can GUARANTEE there will be some manufactured international or domestic terror crisis in which Kamala saves the day!

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It would have to go thru Jill right?
Isn't Jill the WH shot caller deciding if Joe steps out of the race, or resigns altogether?

Just a few days ago, Rockdoc, annie and most of F16 were claiming the buck stops with Jill. Is that no longer the case ? Did the BS "WH clinging Jill" narrative totally disappear, already?

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And you assured us Hillary would be the nominee. Is that no longer the case?

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BlueTaze said:

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It would have to go thru Jill right?
Isn't Jill the WH shot caller deciding if Joe steps out of the race, or resigns altogether?

Just a few days ago, Rockdoc, annie and most of F16 were claiming the buck stops with Jill. Is that no longer the case ? Did the BS "WH clinging Jill" narrative totally disappear, already?

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You'll have to forgive us for thinking that the person that leads Joe by the hand everywhere and often speaks for him also makes decisions for him. Also, you have no idea whether Jill made this decision for him or not. Sorry, no "gotchya" points awarded.

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You are on the right track.

1) Demand that Jill is clinging to WH and pushing Joe to stay in race.

2) Demand that Jill made decision for Joe to drop out of race.

3) Claim that no one really knows either way if Jill is involved in these major party decisions. ( You are here)

4) Accept there was really no truth the "Jill clinging to WH narrative". She just appeared that way bc her husband was totally inept, and she so often had to step in for him. Her opinion on running or resigning mattered as much, or less than, Biden's.

*Thread here breaking it down, if you want to bump and argue your case, so we don't derail:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3476889/1#discussion

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There seems to be a belief out there that if Kamala is the incumbent President, she'll be more electable.

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That belief is also precisely one of Alan Lichtman's "13 keys to the White House." I mean, in a post-truth world, do we really need to distinguish between causation & correlation any more?

Also your call for Sep 1 seems like a reasonable mean. I think there's a wide variance around that though, maybe 3 weeks or so. I think if they put her in on the early side, it's because they think the foreign relations dynamics will shake out in her favor (and I hope in our country's favor but it's not clear to me that's necessarily the case).

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93MarineHorn said:

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BlueTaze said:

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It would have to go thru Jill right?
Isn't Jill the WH shot caller deciding if Joe steps out of the race, or resigns altogether?

Just a few days ago, Rockdoc, annie and most of F16 were claiming the buck stops with Jill. Is that no longer the case ? Did the BS "WH clinging Jill" narrative totally disappear, already?

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You'll have to forgive us for thinking that the person that leads Joe by the hand everywhere and often speaks for him also makes decisions for him. Also, you have no idea whether Jill made this decision for him or not. Sorry, no "gotchya" points awarded.

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You are on the right track.

1) Demand that Jill is clinging to WH and pushing Joe to stay in race.

2) Demand that Jill made decision for Joe to drop out of race.

3) Claim that no one really knows either way if Jill is involved in these major party decisions. ( You are here)

4) Accept there was really no truth the "Jill clinging to WH narrative". She just appeared that way bc her husband was totally inept, and she so often had to step in for him. Her opinion on running or resigning mattered as much, or less than, Biden's.

*Thread here breaking it down, if you want to bump and argue your case, so we don't derail:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3476889/1#discussion

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Yes, most of us are at 3. Watching her scream at supporters after Joe's debate debacle was one of the cringiest things I've ever seen a First Lady do. She looked like someone that was willing to humiliate herself to cling to power. Joe can't make decisions. This leads us to believe that someone close to him is making decisions.

No arguing with yall about what things "looked like". Just about what actually was. But it was totally ridiculous after Biden stepped down to maintain that arguement, or just pivot with "she still made the decision, she just changed her mind and made opposite decision". But Rockdoc and a few others had to try.

The Trump 47 mech will be collectors items someday.

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No arguing with yall about what things "looked like". Just about what actually was. But it was totally ridiculous after Biden stepped down to maintain that arguement, or just pivot with "she still made the decision, she just changed her mind and made opposite decision". But Rockdoc and a few others had to try.

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But you don't know what "was", just like everyone on F16. Perhaps Dem elites made it clear to Jill that she would be seen as just as much to blame as Joe for staying in and allowing Rs to win in a landslide and also take both houses. She doesn't want to spend the rest of her life as that greedy b/tch that put Trump in charge of two branches of gov't. You don't know and we don't know. Perhaps they made her an offer she couldn't refuse.

Bumped the Jill thread so you can see all those who did know, and still know, Jill is that shot caller all the news stations were spoon feeding in the defiant Biden days. Feel free to comment on it there, not here.

Never

Tomorrow

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93MarineHorn said:

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BlueTaze said:

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It would have to go thru Jill right?
Isn't Jill the WH shot caller deciding if Joe steps out of the race, or resigns altogether?

Just a few days ago, Rockdoc, annie and most of F16 were claiming the buck stops with Jill. Is that no longer the case ? Did the BS "WH clinging Jill" narrative totally disappear, already?

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You'll have to forgive us for thinking that the person that leads Joe by the hand everywhere and often speaks for him also makes decisions for him. Also, you have no idea whether Jill made this decision for him or not. Sorry, no "gotchya" points awarded.

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You are on the right track.

1) Demand that Jill is clinging to WH and pushing Joe to stay in race.

2) Demand that Jill made decision for Joe to drop out of race.

3) Claim that no one really knows either way if Jill is involved in these major party decisions. ( You are here)

4) Accept there was really no truth the "Jill clinging to WH narrative". She just appeared that way bc her husband was totally inept, and she so often had to step in for him. Her opinion on running or resigning mattered as much, or less than, Biden's.

*Thread here breaking it down, if you want to bump and argue your case, so we don't derail:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3476889/1#discussion

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Most of us who have been paying attention saw Jill shoulder out Kamala as Joe's handler a couple months into his reign. She's been playing Edith Wilson for the past 3 years, and as mentioned above: clearly doesn't want to let go even when Joe's mush brain was revealed so clearly to all.

The early debate was a deal made with the party to determine whether they could power through with a drugged up Joe. He failed terribly and she's clearly been fighting it.

Will Jill and Joe roll over? Sure. But they're not going willingly (thus the super sketchy past week). Them getting tossed aside won't be evidence that she NEVER had power: it'll be evidence that she got usurped.. Thats the whole point of a coup: to take power from those who have it.