you can't pick a running mate who is smarter than you. That eliminates just about every adult in America.

Tramp96 said:

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When has the VP running mate ever swayed the election? Probably the only time in history was when JFK picked LBJ to try and shore up the South.

Other than that one time, can you really say the VP candidate on the ticket brought strategic votes?

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In every election that I can remember, myself and those who I discussed politics ALWAYS debated the pluses and minuses of the VP candidates! It was always top of mind when at the voting booth marking my name for that other person they were running with who actually got the job.

rgag12 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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When has the VP running mate ever swayed the election? Probably the only time in history was when JFK picked LBJ to try and shore up the South.

Other than that one time, can you really say the VP candidate on the ticket brought strategic votes?

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In every election that I can remember, myself and those who I discussed politics ALWAYS debated the pluses and minuses of the VP candidates! It was always top of mind when at the voting booth marking my name for that other person they were running with who actually got the job.

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GRIDLOCK!!

Kelly is on the short list of about 8 names
Possibly the Ds decide to focus on the mid Atlantic or the upper Midwest instead of the southwest

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Ramdiesel said:

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Because they need Pennsylvania more than Arizona. I would think Kelly might be on her list, but much further down the list than Shapiro...Pennsylvania has 20 electoral votes that would be huge for Trump and Arizona has 11. I don't think Arizona is going to be as tight as they think anyway. Thousands of dumbarses migrated here from California, unfortunately, and changing the state to permanent Blue like New Mexico.

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Shapiro (the Governor) is Jewish. Multiple pundits and insider Dems have openly said that his religion would be a major issue for the party to rally around.

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But, but ... OPeNmINdeD!!! tOLeRanT!!!

Seems like a solid candidate.

nai06 said:

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My money is on Andy Beshear

Mark Kelly is a risky choice because it puts a Democratic senate seat in play Andy Beshear is a safer play. He's a more moderate white guy from a more conservative state and has already come out swinging against JD Vance.

"I think if somebody calls you on that, what you do is at least listen. And I want the American people to know what a Kentuckian is and what they look like. Because let me just tell you that JD Vance ain't from here."

— @GovAndyBeshear on the possibility of running for VP pic.twitter.com/M6MskbCixq

— Morning Joe (@Morning_Joe) July 22, 2024

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Actually, ANDY.... He IS from Kentucky.

It's a provable fact, you know.

Do you think a vice president will ever actually take anyones guns away? The guns aren't going anywhere regardless of who's in office.

nai06 said:

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My money is on Andy Beshear

Mark Kelly is a risky choice because it puts a Democratic senate seat in play Andy Beshear is a safer play. He's a more moderate white guy from a more conservative state and has already come out swinging against JD Vance.

"I think if somebody calls you on that, what you do is at least listen. And I want the American people to know what a Kentuckian is and what they look like. Because let me just tell you that JD Vance ain't from here."

— @GovAndyBeshear on the possibility of running for VP pic.twitter.com/M6MskbCixq

— Morning Joe (@Morning_Joe) July 22, 2024

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I get the pros, but the cons are he's a rich pompous pampered son of a former governor. A politico family. It can work for sure, but it could also backfire.

Shapiro if he would accept is the no brainer given how important PA is, yet it's hilarious and sad that him being Jewish is apparently a major issue for the Dem base to get over.

There's a lot of Dems who have to be real careful with this. If the needle is threaded and they win, then great...but if this is a last minute hail mary attempt and they get trounced, their names will be done at the national level.

It does not matter who she picks for they are all grade A POS and will lock step with every bad and outlandish policy that the DNC supports.

Is he still married to her? Does he still care for her? Was she herself involved in politics at the time of her injury? I only ask because it would make me wonder if he is parading her around or if he is allowing her to still enjoy her life's ambition in spite of her injuries. Easy to put a spin on it but I am just curious why you think he should burn in hell if he is a faithful spouse taking care of his wife in sickness and health?

CreekBottom said:

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Do you think a vice president will ever actually take anyones guns away? The guns aren't going anywhere regardless of who's in office.

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A VP can most certainly influence policy and they have the deciding vote on bad legislation pushed by deranged Democrats in the senate.

It also puts him next in line to the presidency and would make him the most likely candidate in the next election after kneepads is out.

Kamala is also known for pushing gun control. That would put two of the biggest gun control advocates in this country in the white house. No thanks, they both need to be relegated to sidenotes in the history books where they belong.

Gun control is about a lot more than taking guns that people already own. Saying otherwise is disingenuous at best. Preventing future generations and current generations from purchasing the weapons they need to defend themselves is no better. Gun control advocates are scum of the earth and belong nowhere near power.

Anyone that votes for either one of these two clowns is not very bright.

Is he from Kentucky? He was born in Ohio and if I recall, he only spent his summers and some holidays in Kentucky.

Honestly though you think this is a driving force? You really think whoever the D party VP is this election is going to alter the course of gun ownership? I own several guns and am an avid hunter and I honestly feel the ability to ow n guns and continue to hunt is the least likely thing to be determined by the next election. I've been hearing democrats will take my guns for a long time and I still have my guns. As a union member there are more immediate problems in my political view than a hot debate topic. My ability to provide for my family is a real threat in these election my guns won't be going anywhere.

C@LAg said:

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i could see that

plus they give the gun control agenda to him for the next 4 years for pity sympathy points

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CreekBottom said:

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Is he still married to her? Does he still care for her? Was she herself involved in politics at the time of her injury? I only ask because it would make me wonder if he is parading her around or if he is allowing her to still enjoy her life's ambition in spite of her injuries. Easy to put a spin on it but I am just curious why you think he should burn in hell if he is a faithful spouse taking care of his wife in sickness and health?

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She was in the US House of Representatives for Arizona 8. She served from 2007 -- 2012 when She was shot in the face at a campaign rally. Prior to that she was in the Arizona House then the Arizona Senate.

The shooter, using a 9mm with a 33 round magazine shot 19 people killing 6 including a federal judge. She went from moderately anti-gun to hard core rabid no one should have guns and her husband jumped into politics shortly afterward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabby_Giffords

CreekBottom said:

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Honestly though you think this is a driving force? You really think whoever the D party VP is this election is going to alter the course of gun ownership? I own several guns and am an avid hunter and I honestly feel the ability to ow n guns and continue to hunt is the least likely thing to be determined by the next election. I've been hearing democrats will take my guns for a long time and I still have my guns. As a union member there are more immediate problems in my political view than a hot debate topic. My ability to provide for my family is a real threat in these election my guns won't be going anywhere.

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The current administration has made several unconstitutional policy decisions that has turned otherwise law abiding citizens into felons overnight. Thankfully we have a conservative majority SCOTUS that has struck down many of these infringements. That could change if the Democrats get to nominate any new justices. You can rest assured these scum bags will throw **** at the wall to see what sticks. Even if it's infringements that CreekBottom doesn't care about they are infringements to the rights of American Citizens that do care about them. Furthermore, if you care about your ability to provide for your family then you should be voting against Democrats like your life depends on it. Anyone that votes for a Harris adminsitration is a complete fool.

So that being said. Maybe her husband, including her in his campaigning, is not just him being a worthless pos. Maybe he is in fact including his wife in the very things she loved herself before the tragedy? I'm just trying to understand the logic of him exploiting his wife here as I'm not 100% familiar with the story.

Ramdiesel said:

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Because they need Pennsylvania more than Arizona. I would think Kelly might be on her list, but much further down the list than Shapiro...Pennsylvania has 20 electoral votes that would be huge for Trump and Arizona has 11. I don't think Arizona is going to be as tight as they think anyway. Thousands of dumbarses migrated here from California, unfortunately, and changing the state to permanent Blue like New Mexico.

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I agree with this.

So what is the republican parties stance on labor unions? How do they feel about the united association of plumbers and steam fitters? How much support have they shown me and my union brothers? I know where they stand in regards to my ability to negotiate a fair wage. I also know that no democratic president has removed a gun from my home or made me feel in anyway that my constitutional rights have been infringed upon. You may be in a tax bracket that allows you to believe republicans have your best interests in mind. You may also believe your religious convictions give you a right to legislate morality decisions to others (though shalt not judge). I cant pretend to know your situation as I don't know you. I also can't assume what is best for me and my family is best for everyone else. I do however know that I have an obligation to take care of my family. I would hope you feel the same way. I would never take a shot at your intelligence on the basis you are trying to provide for those you love. At the end of the day I want to see a government that is working for the working people and I feel that is lost in a lot of posts on this site because it's easier to play in to the "hot topics" of the moment.

I'm convinced the gabby Giffords shooter was a state-run op which ushered in a lot of the gun grabbing nonsense.

Is there any proof at all to back that up? Is it just reckless speculation? Just curious where all this freedom to say **** with no proof comes from. It's crazy that just because you like one side of the aisle you feel free to spout heinous stories without any sources or information to back it up. If you have sources I apologize in advance just think it would better serve you to post them with your allegations.

LMCane said:

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I mean the guy is the best possible candidate based on his experience and even delivers a critical swing state which could win them the election

Mark Edward Kelly (born February 21, 1964) is an American politician, former astronaut, and United States Navy captain who has been the junior United States senator from Arizona since 2020. A member of the Democratic Party, he was elected in the special election held following the death of Senator John McCain, defeating incumbent Republican Martha McSally.

Kelly flew combat missions during the Gulf War as a naval aviator before being selected as a NASA Space Shuttle pilot in 1996. He flew his first space mission in 2001 as pilot of STS-108, piloted STS-121 in 2006, and commanded STS-124 in 2008 and STS-134 in 2011, the final mission of Space Shuttle Endeavour. His identical twin, Scott Kelly, is also a retired astronaut; they are the only siblings to have both traveled into orbit.

Kelly's wife, then-Arizona Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, was shot and nearly killed in an assassination attempt on January 8, 2011.Six people died in the Tucson shooting. After the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting the following year, Giffords and Kelly founded the nonprofit Americans for Responsible Solutions, later renamed Giffords, which campaigns for gun control measures like universal background checks and red flag laws.

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They'd still lose Arizona badly and give us an open senate opportunity.

So yeah hope they pick his fatass

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CreekBottom said:

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Is he still married to her? Does he still care for her? Was she herself involved in politics at the time of her injury? I only ask because it would make me wonder if he is parading her around or if he is allowing her to still enjoy her life's ambition in spite of her injuries. Easy to put a spin on it but I am just curious why you think he should burn in hell if he is a faithful spouse taking care of his wife in sickness and health?

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She was in the US House of Representatives for Arizona 8. She served from 2007 -- 2012 when She was shot in the face at a campaign rally. Prior to that she was in the Arizona House then the Arizona Senate.

The shooter, using a 9mm with a 33 round magazine shot 19 people killing 6 including a federal judge. She went from moderately anti-gun to hard core rabid no one should have guns and her husband jumped into politics shortly afterward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabby_Giffords

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Didn't know that. I may disagree with his policy positions but I can understand why he has them.

Kamala should choose a trans person as her VP. You know, really go after that 0.05% of the voting population.

Thunderstruck xx said:

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Kamala should choose a trans person as her VP. You know, really go after that 0.05% of the voting population.

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So would that be considered the VP or TVP?

Al Bula said:

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I'm convinced the gabby Giffords shooter was a state-run op which ushered in a lot of the gun grabbing nonsense.

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You sound just like the Dems that said the trump shooter was an inside job to win him the election.

Foreverconservative said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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Kamala should choose a trans person as her VP. You know, really go after that 0.05% of the voting population.

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So would that be considered the VP or TVP?

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Their spouse would the "First Gentle Them"

Laura Loomer has just revealed that his daughter is a hunter biden in regards to drugs and other stuff.

Not the most upstanding according to the x article.

CreekBottom said:

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So what is the republican parties stance on labor unions? How do they feel about the united association of plumbers and steam fitters? How much support have they shown me and my union brothers? I know where they stand in regards to my ability to negotiate a fair wage. I also know that no democratic president has removed a gun from my home or made me feel in anyway that my constitutional rights have been infringed upon. You may be in a tax bracket that allows you to believe republicans have your best interests in mind. You may also believe your religious convictions give you a right to legislate morality decisions to others (though shalt not judge). I cant pretend to know your situation as I don't know you. I also can't assume what is best for me and my family is best for everyone else. I do however know that I have an obligation to take care of my family. I would hope you feel the same way. I would never take a shot at your intelligence on the basis you are trying to provide for those you love. At the end of the day I want to see a government that is working for the working people and I feel that is lost in a lot of posts on this site because it's easier to play in to the "hot topics" of the moment.

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What is the democratic party stance on unions? They are hellbent on allowing illegals into the country. Guess what jobs they take? You got it, union jobs.

If you really are serious about your family, why in the world would you be part of a union? They stopped having value or political clout a very long time ago.

Anyone willing to tag along with Kamala is either of the following:

- aware of the fact that the fix is in and the VP status is locked in, or

- ******ed. Kamala is one of the worst candidates in history (and yes, that includes Biden 2020) and stands no chance of winning in a fair election. Joining her in hopes of winning fair and square is the height of stupidity.

There are no illegals taking union jobs where I live. I also do not fault families that are trying to come to this country and work and find a better way. If we are placing blame here I would put that on business owners trying to save money and hire illegals not on the immigrants trying to support their families. If it weren't for corporate greed trying to find cheaper labor there wouldn't be a market for migrant work. I mean Fox News would tell me that the country is running rampant with illegal workers but then again they also tell me those migrants are all rapists drug dealers and murderers. But if I base my opinion on what I literally see day in and day out that is not the case. At least not in north central Texas. The Democratic Party supports unions and my ability to earn an honest living. I'm going off what I actually see not what certain media sources tell me is the truth.

Eric Holder is in charge of the VP selection for her. Pretty radically unlikely he'd pick a white guy from Arizona, imho, let alone someone who has never expressed any open hatred of America.

CreekBottom said:

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There are no illegals taking union jobs where I live …At least not in north central Texas...

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I'm having a hard time reading that w a straight face. No illegals taking union jobs in any area of Texas. LOL

Go to any job site in Wisconsin and let me know if you see a Hispanic. Then come back home and let me know if you see a white person on a job site.

I work for a company w both union and non-union entities. I can hardly put union workers on projects in the south bc they cost to much and don't speak Spanish.

CreekBottom said:

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There are no illegals taking union jobs where I live. I also do not fault families that are trying to come to this country and work and find a better way. If we are placing blame here I would put that on business owners trying to save money and hire illegals not on the immigrants trying to support their families. If it weren't for corporate greed trying to find cheaper labor there wouldn't be a market for migrant work. I mean Fox News would tell me that the country is running rampant with illegal workers but then again they also tell me those migrants are all rapists drug dealers and murderers. But if I base my opinion on what I literally see day in and day out that is not the case. At least not in north central Texas. The Democratic Party supports unions and my ability to earn an honest living. I'm going off what I actually see not what certain media sources tell me is the truth.

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Lost me right there.