From Steve Deace:

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1) Watch to see if the Obamas and Pelosi/Schumer endorse Kamala. If they do, she is the nominee. If they don't, there will be some form of open convention.

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Once the right backs are scratched (money), this will for sure happen. They will line up behind Harris.

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2) At a minimum, the Democrat VP primary is now underway. That could be over by this time tomorrow, or go to the convention.

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Isn't it crazy how the candidate that gives the Dems best shot Josh Shapiro is though of a potential liability because he is Jewish? The Democrats are still the party of racism and anti-semities.

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3) Whoever their nominee is will then be subject to the greatest PR offensive in American history. You will see this candidate everywhere they control in media and pop culture between now and their only presidential debate. And the coverage will be beyond fawning. This will make Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce look subtle.

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Hard to argue with this! Media in their back pocket before the race even starts!

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4) Ultimately that candidate may not be able to stand up to Trump on the debate stage, but between their ascension and then they are gonna make lots of deposits in their favorables account.

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If its Harris, which I think it is, this is one and one for her if she loses.

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5) The Democrat-Media Complex will gaslight us they tried to hide a senile president for years, and immediately pivot to they are now the party of a new generation. They will soon try to brand Trump and Republicans as the codger candidate and the party of yesteryear. They know the most dominant polling trend this cycle is a majority of Americans wanted a fresh face they originally did not get from the primaries.

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This is already starting! "Oldest nominee ever"

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6) They can still sentence Trump to prison in September in Manhattan. And if you think there is no chance of that, we just watched them leave Trump unprotected in an open field for an assassin last weekend. But their main goal will be creating a credible enough narrative with a new candidate to justify "fortifying" another election.

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I don't agree on this one in the sense Trump won't be incarcerated. He may get a jail sentence, but he won't be required to report to prison until an appeal is exhausted, which given it will eventually make it to SCOTUS in the immunity issues, could be after 2028!

Here’s what happens next:

1) Watch to see if the Obamas and Pelosi/Schumer endorse Kamala. If they do, she is the nominee. If they don’t, there will be some form of open convention.

2) At a minimum, the Democrat VP primary is now underway. That could be over by this time…

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) July 21, 2024

There will still be an open convention. Delegates are not pledged to anyone and can vote for whomever they want. Right now that's Kamala Harris and Marianne Williamson


So unless Williamson drops out (doubtful IMO), there will be an open convention

I wouldn't take endorsements pre-DNC too seriously. Pelosi and Obama were endorsing Biden just a couple weeks ago. Things change. It's a game. So far Dems have been executing with minimal GOP disruption. In fact, Trump/GOP have sort of played into their hand.

It will be an open convention and it won't be Kamala

Who do you see being the nominee? From a practical standpoint Kamala has access to all the funding and campaign infrastructure right now. Anyone else is going to have some big hurdles to overcome to equal that or take control of the DNC funding.

Gavin Newsom….the rules will be amended

Funding doesn't matter. It will go to a PAC and be spent on ads for the official nom. Also, tons of new money will come in for new nom, prob more. Especially if it's a candidate with a good pay for play track record.

Interesting. I don't think Newsome is well liked among Democrats in California let alone the rest of the country. He's already endorsed Kamala Harris as well. I suppose that could change. If offered i think he would take the nomination.

So my question is, If Kamala picks a VP, then suddenly she "realizes that she doesn't want to move forward"... does her VP candidate then inherit the campaign money?

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Interesting. I don't think Newsome is well liked among Democrats in California let alone the rest of the country. He's already endorsed Kamala Harris as well. I suppose that could change. If offered i think he would take the nomination.

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Kamala and GN both reside in California. One has to move

What happens to Biden's $98 mil war chest?

If it was not going to be Harris, then the dems would have come out and said something to the effect of 'we want a democratic process so we are taking the issue to the delegates at the convention.'

Instead, most have lined up behind Harris. It would be VERY difficult to dump a DEI candidate at this stage, especially when she is already on the ticket as VP.

It belongs to Harris if she wins the nomination. If someone else wins the nom, it's unclear. They wouldn't have immediate access to it. The campaign fund could choose to return it or donate it to a charity. Giving it to another person or pac becomes a legal issue. One I suspect Republicans would fight in the courts in an effort to tie it up until the election.

That being said, ActBlue has received almost 50M in donations since yesterday alone. Most of that would be going to the general nominee fund which is available to whomever the nominee ends up being

They are not dumping Harris. Minorities in the democrat party (particularly women) will not allow the bosses to pass up the first black female president.

At this point, the only thing up for debate is who will be her running mate.

I think so. But we are also in uncharted waters here. Picking a VP and then quickly dropping out of the race is going to draw a lot of legal challenges (rightfully so).

Time is definitely a factor too. August 7 is the cutoff for a nominee to be chosen. Practically speaking that's about 10 days in order to have enough time for the voting procedure.

If she wins the nomination and then drops out, I have no idea.

Kamal already has two states she will have trouble winning because Joe cant be remove from the ballot legally: Wisconsin and Nevada

The Rs lawfare machine is ready and waiting to stop the Marxist plan in those states to circumvent the law and put her on the ballot.

Is that actually correct? The DNC hasn't happened yet, so how are those ballots finalized?

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They are not dumping Harris. Minorities in the democrat party (particularly women) will not allow the bosses to pass up the first black female president.

At this point, the only thing up for debate is who will be her running mate.

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If they dump her and replace her with Mikechelle, that issue is moot.

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Kamal already has two states she cant win because she's not on the ballot and can't be on them legally: Wisconsin and Nevada

The Rs lawfare machine is ready and waiting to stop the Marxist plan in those states to circumvent the law and put her on the ballot.

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That simply isn't true. The DNC has not named a nominee yet. There's no one in the ballot until that happens. Whomever ever the Democrats pick come August 7th will be on the ballots in all 50 states. If Biden had dropped out after accepting the nomination, you might have a point.

But go ahead and let Republicans waste a bunch of money bringing a losing case to court

How can someone be excluded from the ballot when the convention hasn't even happened? Do you think JD Vance was going to be left off too?

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Is that actually correct? The DNC hasn't happened yet, so how are those ballots finalized?

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The states decide when the candidate is placed on the ballot, not the DNC.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/heritage-working-election-legal-challenges-case-biden-pulled-from-dnc-nomination

The D nominee will be on the ballot in all 50 states and will meet the filing requirements for each state

It is likely Harris or whoever the nominee is will need to name a VP by August 9 but that is also a relatively easy thing to do

The Zoom Roll call vote in Early august will determine the candidate and it early enough to meet State filing requirements

After the Zoom Roll Call vote determines the nominee changing out the nominee becomes much more complicated and would likely be not allowed in several states

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Logos Stick said:

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Kamal already has two states she cant win because she's not on the ballot and can't be on them legally: Wisconsin and Nevada

The Rs lawfare machine is ready and waiting to stop the Marxist plan in those states to circumvent the law and put her on the ballot.

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That simply isn't true. The DNC has not named a nominee yet. There's no one in the ballot until that happens. Whomever ever the Democrats pick come August 7th will be on the ballots in all 50 states. If Biden had dropped out after accepting the nomination, you might have a point.

But go ahead and let Republicans waste a bunch of money bringing a losing case to court

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You are completely wrong. The DNC doesn't control the election and the ballot. The states do.

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How can someone be excluded from the ballot when the convention hasn't even happened? Do you think JD Vance was going to be left off too?

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Learn.

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Why Obama Hasn't Endorsed Harris

The former president has positioned himself as an impartial elder statesman above intraparty machinations and was neutral during the 2020 Democratic primaries.

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Why Obama Hasn't Endorsed Harris - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Nyt, the dnc's communication organization, says 'dont't worry, Barry is just being a great statesman'.

There's nothing to learn. There's no nominee yet. And you didn't answer the question if you think JD Vance was going to be left off.

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Kamal already has two states she will have trouble winning because Joe cant be remove from the ballot legally: Wisconsin and Nevada

The Rs lawfare machine is ready and waiting to stop the Marxist plan in those states to circumvent the law and put her on the ballot.

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So what happens when electors pick Kamala in those two states?

Wisconsin has no faithless elector law, so they can do whatever they want.

Nevada has a faithless elector law, that says votes won't be counted. However, the law requires them to "vote only for the nominees for President and Vice President of the political party." The electors pledge to the nominee, that will be Harris If Biden is not the nominee, then how does that work if his name is on the ballot? . No one knows, but want to bet how the "courts" decide that?


tldr, anyone thinking Harris "can't win" Nevada or Wisconsin is going to be very disappointed.

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There's nothing to learn. There's no nominee yet. And you didn't answer the question if you think JD Vance was going to be left off.

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Vance is the duly elected VP candidate and was chosen in a timely manner
The Ds will have both positions selected and approved in a timely manner

People who think the D will not be on a ballot have been reading too much Fan Fiction
Obviously just my opinion but there is a reason the Ds are doing a zoom roll call vote next week

Here is the Nevada pledge required:

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If selected for the position of presidential elector, I agree to serve as such and to vote only for the nominees for President and Vice President of the political party or the independent candidates who received the highest number of votes in this State at the general election.

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The electors can only vote for nominees. They literally cannot vote for Biden!

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Vance is the duly elected VP candidate and was chosen in a timely manner

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Vance is not a "duly elected" VP candidate. He was chosen by Trump. No one elected him. (Nothing wrong with that).

The dems are really in a tough situation with Kamala. They already had a problem with black men trending towards Trump, and with the narrative of Kamala making her name throwing black men in jail on drug charges, while Trump signed into law a historic justice reform law, that trend will likely accelerate. Not to mention the reaction to the image of Trump's reaction to being shot. But if they take Kamala off the ballot and replace her with anybody besides Michelle O, they are going to lose a lot of their real base in the black female vote. You hate to see it, but more than that, you love to see it.

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Kamal already has two states she will have trouble winning because Joe cant be remove from the ballot legally: Wisconsin and Nevada

The Rs lawfare machine is ready and waiting to stop the Marxist plan in those states to circumvent the law and put her on the ballot.

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False. I don't know where this nonsense came from but it's flat out wrong. The deadline in both Wisconsin and Nevada is September 3.


https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/joe-biden-replaced-wisconsin/?amp=1

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/could-joe-biden-be-replaced-on-nevadas-ballot-3081017/

Dr. Nefario said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kamal already has two states she will have trouble winning because Joe cant be remove from the ballot legally: Wisconsin and Nevada

The Rs lawfare machine is ready and waiting to stop the Marxist plan in those states to circumvent the law and put her on the ballot.

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False. I don't know where this nonsense came from but it's flat out wrong. The deadline in both Wisconsin and Nevada is September 3.


https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/joe-biden-replaced-wisconsin/?amp=1

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/could-joe-biden-be-replaced-on-nevadas-ballot-3081017/

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The Heritage Foundation.

that type of nonsense comes from Charlie Kirk and other dummies going for clicks in the last 3 weeks posting nonsense

then all the low information voters who can't research google themselves simply repost and regurgitate it.

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It will be an open convention and it won't be Kamala

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Correct. The money pledged to a Biden/Harris ticket will be repurposed somehow. We're talking about Dems, they'll make it legal. Kamala is a terrible candidate and they will get ZERO bump from nominating her. She will lose badly.

They are gonna go with a fresh start and open up the propaganda flood gates. The new nominee will be in honeymoon phase with the msm until the election.