Biden to propose nationwide rent control

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normalhorn
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There goes any chance of Trump capturing some of the AA and under-30 votes. If this doesn't get the results they intend. You'd have to think that come September, eliminating CC debt for certain voting blocks will also be floated.
All that they want is power.
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DannyDuberstein said:

Libs truly have the minds of children. This will just lead to less affordable housing available. Price controls of any sort lead to less supply. Period. And less supply leads to…. anyone, anyone?
Like running for Student Council or Class President and promsing free pizza and ice cream everyday.
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Because rent and price controls have worked so well in the past..
Joe sure wants them votes....
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Do your children a favor and have them read Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell. Then you can talk to them about how stupid ideas like this never work. I wish more people read books by Thomas Sowell, but here we are.
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C@LAg said:


Biden's plan which would need to be approved by Congress calls for stripping a tax benefit from landlords who increase their tenants' rent more than 5 percent per year, the people said. The measure would only apply to landlords who own more than 50 units, which represents roughly half of all rental properties, the people said. It wouldn't cover units that have not yet been built, in an attempt to ensure that the policy does not discourage construction of new rental housing. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a proposal that isn't yet public.

So instead of holding rent steady for a few years when inflation isn't out of control and they know what their costs are going to go crazy one year to the next, they'll just raise it 5% every year to cover those once every 5-years out of control costs
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Liberals truly lack any common sense
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C@LAg said:

Yes, "rent control" is an exaggeration, but this does put artificial barriers onto the rental process and serves the same purpose by punishing landlords and mgmt companies by preventing them from maximizing their revenues streams and interfering with their business operations.


From an economic perspective which is the field which says this a terrible idea, the issue has nothing to do with profitability. It is all about not being able to charge a market rate. That market rate might have you in a loss position already. So nothing to do with maximizing profit and all about not being able to charge a market rate and creating shortages.
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Burdizzo said:

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Biden's plan which would need to be approved by Congress calls for stripping a tax benefit from landlords who increase their tenants' rent more than 5 percent per year,


Meanwhile Texas law puts a cap on property tax appraisals at 10%.

Good luck, Mr. Landlord, capturing that 5% deficit from your tenants.
I get the property tax appraisal issue - that's broken.

Not in favor of rent control, and I'm not a landlord, but explain to me why a landlord should get a tax benefit for raising the rent more than 5 percent per year? I'm missing that logic...

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The 5200 Acres said:

Apartment owners in several jurisdictions in Texas have seen their property taxes double in a year due to higher appraisal district valuations. They've also seen property insurance climb 40% to 50% in a single year even with deductibles that have risen from 1% to 3%. The inability to pass those costs on to tenants will disincentivize more construction.

Multi-family real estate is one of the most price competitive markets around. The market will punish those that try to "price gouge".

If you want lower apartment rents, you need to incentivize more construction/supply. Rate increase caps do the exact opposite.

More unadulterated pandering by the Biden campaign


If I read it correctly in OP, new construction would be excluded. It almost looks like it forces new construction and older units would be abandoned. Imagine thousands of empty decaying apartment complexes in your neighborhoods. With Biden I am sure that it only applies to construction done by union workers.
You would end up with a lot of empty complexes and a lot of unnecessary building of new units in open spaces. So much for the 'E' in ESG.
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dmart90 said:

Burdizzo said:

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Biden's plan which would need to be approved by Congress calls for stripping a tax benefit from landlords who increase their tenants' rent more than 5 percent per year,


Meanwhile Texas law puts a cap on property tax appraisals at 10%.

Good luck, Mr. Landlord, capturing that 5% deficit from your tenants.
I get the property tax appraisal issue - that's broken.

Not in favor of rent control, and I'm not a landlord, but explain to me why a landlord should get a tax benefit for raising the rent more than 5 percent per year? I'm missing that logic...





If your property taxes go up 10% (in Texas) every year but you can't raise the rent more than 5% (thanks to Uncle Sam), at what point do you stop making money as the property owner?
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Old McDonald
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rent control is pants on head re******

houston and austin had rent decrease over the last year by employing the crazy and never before heard of strategy of building more housing. this isn't hard.
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BuddysBud said:

The 5200 Acres said:

Apartment owners in several jurisdictions in Texas have seen their property taxes double in a year due to higher appraisal district valuations. They've also seen property insurance climb 40% to 50% in a single year even with deductibles that have risen from 1% to 3%. The inability to pass those costs on to tenants will disincentivize more construction.

Multi-family real estate is one of the most price competitive markets around. The market will punish those that try to "price gouge".

If you want lower apartment rents, you need to incentivize more construction/supply. Rate increase caps do the exact opposite.

More unadulterated pandering by the Biden campaign


If I read it correctly in OP, new construction would be excluded. It almost looks like it forces new construction and older units would be abandoned. Imagine thousands of empty decaying apartment complexes in your neighborhoods. With Biden I am sure that it only applies to construction done by union workers.
You would end up with a lot of empty complexes and a lot of unnecessary building of new units in open spaces. So much for the 'E' in ESG.



I'm not building in an area with below market existing rents. They would be my competition.

Banks aren't lending on multi-family right now but there is even less incentive to lend if rents in the area are below market.
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C@LAg said:

BuddysBud said:



You would end up with a lot of empty complexes and a lot of unnecessary building of new units in open spaces. So much for the 'E' in ESG.
the E stands for empty


Every year my landlord has us fill out a survey, and it always contains questions about environmental BS (should we install EV charging stations and net zero carbon footprint etc).

I am sure that they hate my responses because I make it clear that we aren't interested in politically defined meaningless nonsense, but would be interested in doing something that would actually benefit the local environment, such as using native plants for landscaping.
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The best way to keep housing affordable is to quit voting for Democrats.
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F*** everything Biden does at this point
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Stossel did a great video on why rent control decreases the availability of housing, decreases the quality of housing, and destroys cities. And his interview with a councilwoman supporting rent control was downright hilarious.



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richardag said:

Unintended consequences, we would see a lot more of this

If the President's idiotic plan succeeds.
You see tents.
Democrats see more voters because folks who depend on government handouts, always vote for more government.

This is not an "unintended" consequence.
This is an entirely predictable feature..
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aggieforester05 said:

The best way to keep housing affordable is to quit voting for Democrats.
You could do what Austin did... increase property taxes to pay for low income housing.
Yes, it passed.
Democrats are really that stupid.
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IceAg22 said:

Do your children a favor and have them read Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell. Then you can talk to them about how stupid ideas like this never work. I wish more people read books by Thomas Sowell, but here we are.
The first lesson of economics is scarcity. There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.

- Thomas Sowell
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How is this Constitutional?
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CS78 said:

Owners will sell and get out of the rental business. Those that can't afford to buy will end up in the new government housing complexes. Right where they want you. .
This.

They want to make the poor even poorer so they can rely on the govt.
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It doesn't pay to maintain rent controlled property...Competent and ethical landlords will be forced to either become slumlords, or sell to slumlords.

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bonfarr said:

How is this Constitutional?
It's in the same section as the ones detailing Presidential Powers providing the President the ability to wipe out debt between a private citizen and a private business.
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Somebody explain the tax break at issue here…I don't support Biden's idiot idea. Just want more info.
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Burdizzo said:

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Biden's plan which would need to be approved by Congress calls for stripping a tax benefit from landlords who increase their tenants' rent more than 5 percent per year,


Meanwhile Texas law puts a cap on property tax appraisals at 10%.

Good luck, Mr. Landlord, capturing that 5% deficit from your tenants.
Not for commercial which multifamily falls under. Properties that saw 30%+ revenue growth over the last 5 years likely are looking at NOI flat to slightly up right now due to taxes, insurance, and inflationary rising controllable expense like labor, administrative costs, R&M, and contract services.

Florida does have a 10% cap on property tax increases, but they've been hit even harder by insurance.
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Old McDonald said:

rent control is pants on head re******

houston and austin had rent decrease over the last year by employing the crazy and never before heard of strategy of building more housing. this isn't hard.
For the first time, I find myself starring your post. Bravo.
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Marxists gonna marxist.

People should be afraid.
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Burnsey said:

Somebody explain the tax break at issue here…I don't support Biden's idiot idea. Just want more info.


It's not perfectly clear from the article, but Biden had previously kicked around the idea of eliminating the affordable housing tax credit unless there was a 10% cap on increased rents company wide.

I'm not sure this is the same tax break, but if not, I imagine something similar.

Terrible idea, imo.
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BusterAg said:

Burnsey said:

Somebody explain the tax break at issue here…I don't support Biden's idiot idea. Just want more info.


It's not perfectly clear from the article, but Biden had previously kicked around the idea of eliminating the affordable housing tax credit unless there was a 10% cap on increased rents company wide.

I'm not sure this is the same tax break, but if not, I imagine something similar.

Terrible idea, imo.
Probably more to do with getting rid of the tax benefit that Trump's opportunity zones offered.
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The prob is government, not owners

Property tax valuations are out of control
HalifaxAg
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Restructure your leasing contracts on a per-resident basis or do it like Spirit airlines with upcharges for everything.

more people in the unit = higher rent
you want a refrigerator = you're renting the fridge from me
you want multiple bathrooms = higher rent
assigned parking spaces = higher rent
pool usage fee
mailbox fee
pet rent
higher or lower floor unit = higher fees


more than 1 way to play the game, but I'd rather not make adversaries out of my tenants...

just another socialist idea to destroy community
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bonfarr said:

How is this Constitutional?
Exactly. It's a load of commie crap. Why is the Fed Gubmint involved in the rent I pay for an apartment?
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HalifaxAg said:

Restructure your leasing contracts on a per-resident basis or do it like Spirit airlines with upcharges for everything.

more people in the unit = higher rent
you want a refrigerator = you're renting the fridge from me
you want multiple bathrooms = higher rent
assigned parking spaces = higher rent
pool usage fee
mailbox fee
pet rent
higher or lower floor unit = higher fees


more than 1 way to play the game, but I'd rather not make adversaries out of my tenants...

just another socialist idea to destroy community


In Texas, many lower rent units no longer come with a refrigerator. Landlords were getting sued for the cost of ruined food when there were power outages, so most landlords just started making you provide your own fridge so that they would not be liable for ruined food.
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This exists in certain cities and was initiated during COVID.
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