Secret Service can't shoot someone aiming a rifle at a President until said person fires?

WTF

There is no chance that has always been a rule. Or has ever been a rule.

So basically they just watch the shooter until he fires and then fire back but don't bother to warn the guy who is about to be shot. Makes sense.

I'm sure some people are stupid enough to believe this.

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the agency rules of engagement in this situation are to wait until the president is fired upon to return fire.

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WTF ????

This is not how you protect someone.

That is insane if true and should be brought to bare by congressional investigation and changed immediately.....

Yea, not buying it... sounds like spin or intentionally mistating the policy to cya

Asinine if true. That can't be true.

aggie93 said:

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So basically they just watch the shooter until he fires and then fire back but don't bother to warn the guy who is about to be shot. Makes sense.

I'm sure some people are stupid enough to believe this.

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Hopefully this isn't there policy towards our children everyday in schools.

https://www.secretservice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2021-03/USSS%20Averting%20Targeted%20School%20Violence.2021.03.pdf

I don't buy that for one second. BS.

Surely a scope that can help put a bullet in the perp's head can allow the operator to determine whether he had a weapon or telescope.

Also, don't position yourself like a sniper if you just have a telescope and you won't have a problem.

aggie93 said:

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So basically they just watch the shooter until he fires and then fire back but don't bother to warn the guy who is about to be shot. Makes sense.

I'm sure some people are stupid enough to believe this.

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Right on the money here. IF the policy is to not fire until fired upon, you can bet your sweet ass that when the SS sniper radios in 'potential shooter on roof', 4-5 SS agents are tackling trump before the second syllable of potential comes over the air

"Just wear a mask."

And this is why we need more info on the agent that was on the ground frantically talking to other agents right before the shooting and then ducking when fired shot.

He heard something on the radio and their first job is to get ANY public figure off the stage. He was possibly communicating "pissible threat" to other agents right down front versus action.

It doesn't make sense why he was acting frantic and communicating with other agents right before shots versus either acting or visually scanning the crowd/area had he not heard anything over the radios.

aggie93 said:

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So basically they just watch the shooter until he fires and then fire back but don't bother to warn the guy who is about to be shot. Makes sense.

I'm sure some people are stupid enough to believe this.

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This. They wouldn't be like "holy sh** we've got a loan guy hiding on a rooftop get the president down now!"? Because that's exactly what they should do in that situation at a minimum. They aren't supposed to care about optics of being overly cautious or protective.

C@LAg said:

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But a source within the Secret Service community tells RealClearPolitics that the agency rules of engagement in this situation are to wait until the president is fired upon to return fire

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Dumbasses could have prevented it by having people on every rooftop. There were not 700 rooftops to have to deal with. Had they done that, then all the word salad, nothing more than bull**** covering their asses, would not have been necessary. This isn't even junior high complicated.

for ****s sake, you dont have to fire at him, radio your colleagues and have Trump removed from the stage so that you can assess the threat risk, and let him back on when everything is secured.

**********. these people are ****ing ******s.

Exactly! Ridiculous. Get Trump off the stage.

This is complete bull***** You don't want to get shot in the head by a SS sniper? Don't lay prone on a building 130 yards away looking through a "telescope".

Full of **** swamper. She's spinning.

Potential Shooter... Should we engage... Negative, he has to shoot at the President first... Should we remove the Presidelnt from the stage... Negative, how else are we going to know if we can engage or not... shots fired.... ok cool, let's shoot him now.


Made up BS from the 'men can get pregnant' people.

Sounds like the idiotic ROE under Obama for our military. Trump changed them and we defeated ISIS inside a year.

If this was the ROE during Kennedy's time, then JFK literally would have been killed while the SS had their sights on Oswald.

That's how ******ed they are.

But hey, liberals are evil AND ******ed. Every. Single. One.

HarryJ33tamu said:

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Secret Service can't shoot someone aiming a rifle at a President until said person fires?

WTF

There is no chance that has always been a rule. Or has ever been a rule.

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I'll. Wait to see what Bongino says about that

Susan Crabtree - RealClearPolitics White House & Natl. Political Correspondent - The Hill, Roll Call, Wash. Examiner alum

That's all we needed to know. Evil.

Seems less than great that the SS own rules of engagement are now thrust into the limelight.

The USSS ****ed up so bad they manage to **** their own opsec.

Head of secret service and all deputies has gotta go.

Your ship hits the rocks and there's no way out other than to relieve the captain of command.

If nothing happens and there is no change in leadership then it will be telling.

That is absolute bull***** "We killed the sniper, but it's okay! He fired first and killed the president, so we aren't liable.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Seems less than great that the SS own rules of engagement are now thrust into the limelight.

The USSS ****ed up so bad they manage to **** their own opsec.

Head of secret service and all deputies has gotta go.

Your ship hits the rocks and there's no way out other than to relieve the captain of command.

If nothing happens and there is no change in leadership then it will be telling.

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I just wish we would go after those at the top of the alphabet agencies, run them through the legal wringer, make their lives living hell and do so to set an example for the rest of the vermin.

That raises the question of just how many people are out there climbing roofs, lying prone, and the SS let them go? "It's another one of those hair dryers with a scope on it boys, stand down"

BadMoonRisin said:

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for ****s sake, you dont have to fire at him, radio your colleagues and have Trump removed from the stage so that you can assess the threat risk, and let him back on when everything is secured.

**********. these people are ****ing ******s.

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This is what gets me.

TSA will evacuate an entire airport terminal on the suspicion that there was a breach.

Here we got a situation where bystanders are pointing at the shooter and nobody calls an all stop.

Decay said:

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That raises the question of just how many people are out there climbing roofs, lying prone, and the SS let them go? "It's another one of those hair dryers with a scope on it boys, stand down"

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Exactly. I'd bet a years salary this is not the policy.

Nino Brown said:

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He was possibly communicating "pissible threat"

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this was a trump rally, not a Biden one.

Officers shoot people who aim fake guns at them.

Makes you think.

BadMoonRisin said:

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for ****s sake, you dont have to fire at him, radio your colleagues and have Trump removed from the stage so that you can assess the threat risk, and let him back on when everything is secured.

**********. these people are ****ing ******s.

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100 times this. Discussed it numerous times with different buddies today.

Why the F did this not happen, You know every sniper and suit on next to the podium has comms in their ear......complete no brainer.

Elementary and obvious **** like this is why we have conspiracy theories.

A sniper has a scope so precise he can count hairs on the perp's head, but he can't differentiate a telescope from a rifle.

Has this woman ever shot a scoped rifle?

And, as has already been asked, why did they leave Trump on stage if they saw a threat?