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Local police encountered attempted-assassin Thomas Crooks just moments before he tried to kill former president Donald Trump but failed to stop the gunman despite the clear threat, according to a report.

After rallygoers spotted Crooks on the roof of a manufacturing plant just 130 yards from the stage where Trump was speaking just after 6 p.m. Tuesday, police were notified and one officer climbed a ladder to investigate, law enforcement officials said on the condition of anonymity.

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WTF?!

Had that cop worked previously in Uvalde?

Uvalde anyone?

But the fact that he caused him to hurry might have saved Trump's life. He immediately turned and fired at Trump after being discovered.

probably misinfo, but who knows. This might get memory holed like the Vegas shooter.

Logos Stick said:

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Uvalde anyone?

But the fact that he caused him to hurry might have saved Trump's life. He immediately turned and fired at Trump after being discovered.

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That is what is being reported by the TV News. The cop got to the top of the ladder and the shooter swung his rifle toward the officer. The officer dropped back below the roof line and the shooter swung back toward Trump and started firing. Then the SS Sniper took him out. Makes sense and forced the shooter to rush his shots.

I'll throw out a scenario.

Cop hears about possible shooter on the roof. He climbs up the ladder.

Kid points the gun at him and cop ducks for cover. Maybe the cop could have drawn and fired. His gun was likely holstered to climb a ladder. I don't think the cop ran back to the crowd. Maybe he puts out the call on radio. I don't think either of those moves are cowardly.

Kid immediately knows he has no time. He turns around and immediately starts firing at Trump.

I'll bet the timeline between cop seeing kid until kid shoots Trump is about two seconds.

One news account had him hanging onto the building edge with both hands, unable to reach his gun.

All he had to do is call it in. Let the snipers make the decision. The time it took him to climb the ladder was all that was needed to prevent the shooting.

PCC_80 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Uvalde anyone?

But the fact that he caused him to hurry might have saved Trump's life. He immediately turned and fired at Trump after being discovered.

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That is what is being reported by the TV News. The cop got to the top of the ladder and the shooter swung his rifle toward the officer. The officer dropped back below the roof line and the shooter swung back toward Trump and started firing. Then the SS Sniper took him out. Makes sense and forced the shooter to rush his shots.

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And he likely didn't have his gun drawn while climbing a ladder. I wonder if he had time to get a round off before the snipers got the guy? He should have darn sure been the first one there and the one to double tap.

dallasiteinsa02 said:

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All he had to do is call it in. Let the snipers make the decision. The time it took him to climb the ladder was all that was needed to prevent the shooting.

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He might have.

And the snipers might have said "that roof is sloped. can you double check the backside? and these trees are blocking our view"

If the police were warned, why didn't they call it in? If they did call it in, why didn't the SS take Trump off the stage?

birdman said:

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I'll throw out a scenario.

Cop hears about possible shooter on the roof. He climbs up the ladder.

Kid points the gun at him and cop ducks for cover. Maybe the cop could have drawn and fired. His gun was likely holstered to climb a ladder. I don't think the cop ran back to the crowd. Maybe he puts out the call on radio. I don't think either of those moves are cowardly.

Kid immediately knows he has no time. He turns around and immediately starts firing at Trump.

I'll bet the timeline between cop seeing kid until kid shoots Trump is about two seconds.

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This is a reasonable take.

If this is how it happened, that officer's distraction forced the shooter to hurry, and may have saved Trump's life.

I hope the truth comes out.

Americans deserve it.

I don't think anyone can convince me that the shooter was gonna be stopped before he got to fire his gun. A 20-year old can climb a building within 150 yards of a President with a rifle? That's just not believable, unless he was allowed to be there. It only takes one person to look the other way and allow someone thru. And that's what happened. He just missed. But that guy had zero chance of living one second after he fired that gun. Dead men tell no tales.

Would local police and SS all be on the same comms channel? I'm sure there is some type of dispatcher function to connect everyone, but maybe a bit of a delay.

There has to be some reason for delay in police on ground outside rally, getting word to SS snipers. I'm hope that is central to the investigation.

Was the ladder part of the building?

dallasiteinsa02 said:

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All he had to do is call it in. Let the snipers make the decision. The time it took him to climb the ladder was all that was needed to prevent the shooting.

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Call it in and have the secret service cover Trump.

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I'll throw out a scenario.

Cop hears about possible shooter on the roof. He climbs up the ladder.

Kid points the gun at him and cop ducks for cover. Maybe the cop could have drawn and fired. His gun was likely holstered to climb a ladder. I don't think the cop ran back to the crowd. Maybe he puts out the call on radio. I don't think either of those moves are cowardly.

Kid immediately knows he has no time. He turns around and immediately starts firing at Trump.

I'll bet the timeline between cop seeing kid until kid shoots Trump is about two seconds.

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You could be right. Not really fair to judge at this point I suppose.

Ducking down is not unforgivable. To kill the perp, you have to be alive.

BlueTaze said:

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Would local police and SS all be on the same comms channel? I'm sure there is some type of dispatcher function to connect everyone, but maybe a bit of a delay.

There has to be some reason for delay in police on ground outside rally, getting word to SS snipers. I'm hope that is central to the investigation.

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X-secret service guy said they have the ability to integrate comms but sometimes it doesn't work.

The question not being asked is how did a guy with no military training luck out and find a blatant hole in security. Was he just real lucky, is there always blatant holes or did he have help.

Chetos said:

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The question not being asked is how did a guy with no military training luck out and find a blatant hole in security. Was he just real lucky, is there always blatant holes or did he have help.

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We will never know, but I don't believe for a second the dude did this by himself.

Trump is a existential threat to the FBI and DOJ.

I've been zooming all over that building and don't see any ladder. Surely he wasn't able to get a ladder in there…right?

Logos Stick said:

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Chetos said:

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The question not being asked is how did a guy with no military training luck out and find a blatant hole in security. Was he just real lucky, is there always blatant holes or did he have help.

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We will never know, but I don't believe for a second the dude did this by himself.

Trump is a existential threat to the FBI and DOJ.

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The Left wing message boards and left social media posts are theorizing that this was all orchestrated by Trump so he could get his hero photo moment for history and seal the election. They are saying it is suspicious the guy missed such an easy shot and how conveniently photogenic the entire thing was. Ironically both left and right conspiracy theorists are claiming the other side was behind it. That is how life rolls. Conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Chetos said:

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The question not being asked is how did a guy with no military training luck out and find a blatant hole in security. Was he just real lucky, is there always blatant holes or did he have help.

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We will never know, but I don't believe for a second the dude did this by himself.

Trump is a existential threat to the FBI and DOJ.

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The Left wing message boards have all over the message boards that this was all orchestrated by Trump so he could get his hero photo moment for history and seal the election. Ironically both left and right conspiracy theorists are claiming the other side was behind it.

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Of course, but us on the right have the receipts on FBIs and DOJs previous behavior.

Also the IRS.

I could post them but it won't change your mind

Eta, ah yes, just conspiracy theories that have proven over and over to be true.

What do you call theories that are truth in your world?

So the left wing nuts' conspiracy theory is that Trump set up a 20 year old kid to shoot him?

I'm just running this conversation through in my head…."alright kid, you're going to crawl up on that building over there with this rifle. When I turn my head to face you, shoot me in the ear. Now kid, you gotta wait until I turn to face you to shoot me in the top of the ear. If you shoot me in the ear while I'm facing forward, you'll blow my head in two. So here, take this open sight rifle and crawl up on that building and shoot me in the top of the ear from 140 yards away. Remember, deep breath….exhale half way and squeeze….you can do it"

We live among fools.

Logos Stick said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Chetos said:

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The question not being asked is how did a guy with no military training luck out and find a blatant hole in security. Was he just real lucky, is there always blatant holes or did he have help.

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We will never know, but I don't believe for a second the dude did this by himself.

Trump is a existential threat to the FBI and DOJ.

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The Left wing message boards have all over the message boards that this was all orchestrated by Trump so he could get his hero photo moment for history and seal the election. Ironically both left and right conspiracy theorists are claiming the other side was behind it.

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Of course, but us on the right have the receipts on FBIs and DOJs previous behavior.

Also the IRS.

I could post them but it won't change your mind

Eta, ah yes, just conspiracy theories that have proven over and over to be true.

What do you call theories that are truth in your world?

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One conspiracy theory at a time please There was barely a couple of hours from this incident before people are theorizing the shooter was part of a planned operation by either the left or right. Which obviously is complete B.S. theorizing because there hasn't even been enough time for much facts to come out. But off to the conspiracy race track people go!

Justwinags said:

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I've been zooming all over that building and don't see any ladder. Surely he wasn't able to get a ladder in there…right?

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There is a tall step ladder in the back behind the two trees in the offset between the buildings.

Also you can absolutely climb a ladder with pistol or rifle in hand(s), if your not capable of that once you put eyes on the shooter ****ing draw.

Unless the cop made a ton of noise, I am very suspect that the shooter looked behind him and to where the ladder was while getting into position to murder Trump where all of his focus was.

I just don't buy that he pointed a weapon at the cop not one bit. He low crawled across the slope and up the slope, dirt on his pants and arms plus witnesses confirm this. This puts him an a very difficult position to turn around and aim back at the ladder where the cop supposedly was. Scared, lying, worse who knows.

birdman said:

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I'll throw out a scenario.

Cop hears about possible shooter on the roof. He climbs up the ladder.

Kid points the gun at him and cop ducks for cover. Maybe the cop could have drawn and fired. His gun was likely holstered to climb a ladder. I don't think the cop ran back to the crowd. Maybe he puts out the call on radio. I don't think either of those moves are cowardly.

Kid immediately knows he has no time. He turns around and immediately starts firing at Trump.

I'll bet the timeline between cop seeing kid until kid shoots Trump is about two seconds.

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Yep

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/local-officer-tried-stop-gunman-trump/index.html

No one ever said leftists were smart.

Ozzy Osbourne said:

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If the police were warned, why didn't they call it in? If they did call it in, why didn't the SS take Trump off the stage?

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This is the biggest question. All the scenarios including the cop going up they ladder and the snipers in the SS on the rooftop aiming/looking in that direction for the shooter show it most likely was sent via radio and known for at least 2 minutes. I want to know more about the SS agent right in front of the stage that is communicating with other agents right before the shots and then ducks as soon as first shot is heard.

Let me be clear, I don't like Trump because I think he's a jerk and don't identify myself as republican or democrat even though I'm a little more conservative. But I truly believe that this was more than just negligence by the SS and by extension the Secretary of Homeland Security.

dallasiteinsa02 said:

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All he had to do is call it in. Let the snipers make the decision. The time it took him to climb the ladder was all that was needed to prevent the shooting.

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Here's my next question.... USS probably running on their own radios and freq. Cop's radio doesn't have the necessary encryption key to get onto their net (understandable SS doesn't want to share this). So their CP has someone on the local cops frequency listening in and relaying that info to the rest of the crew.

How long does that take?

Not sure if already said, but a nephew mentioned to me he heard the shooter may have been an employee of a private security company that the local police hired for additional security. He sent me a video where you can hear someone say something like "Crooks what are you doing?!"

That video clears does not say crooks and she was screaming at someone on the ground filming not the shooter. He was already shooting

Pumpkinhead said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Chetos said:

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The question not being asked is how did a guy with no military training luck out and find a blatant hole in security. Was he just real lucky, is there always blatant holes or did he have help.

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We will never know, but I don't believe for a second the dude did this by himself.

Trump is a existential threat to the FBI and DOJ.

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The Left wing message boards and left social media posts are theorizing that this was all orchestrated by Trump so he could get his hero photo moment for history and seal the election. They are saying it is suspicious the guy missed such an easy shot and how conveniently photogenic the entire thing was. Ironically both left and right conspiracy theorists are claiming the other side was behind it. That is how life rolls. Conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories.

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This is what happens when you have only two major political parties. Nut jobs on each side will be drawn in to theorize. It just so happens that as of right now, the left has way more nut jobs. And they truly believe that Trump incited the capitol seige. They also 100 percent believe Trump is evil as Biden stated.

We have lost our way politically where parties and leaders used to debate and speak about what they can do and what their party can do for the country. Now, we are only out to completely destroy the other party/candidate and their character. This will lead to violence every time.

Has anyone seen a picture pointed at the shooters location from the SS snipers location?