Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

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10:21p, 7/23/24
Imagine abandoning your post.

Then showing back up at your post with a dead kid right outside the window.

Then finding out that the kid got off a headshot on Trump right outside your post.

Because that's what the facts suggest happened here.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 10:38p, 7/23/24
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Seems like there should be some video of the guy firing. By the time he fired people on the ground had been filming for a couple minutes it looks like.

Somebody slips on a grape in walmart and phones come out and start recording. The had to be some video of this guy shooting from his firing position and final resting place.

Maybe you got people with other video angles trying to make deals to sell that video and it hasn't been posted by whoever has it. New angles of 9-11 trickled out for years after.
The videos we've seen so far go crazy as soon as he starts shooting flipping all over the place.
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10:17a, 7/24/24


Wray testifying today.
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10:30a, 7/24/24



Link to Wray testimony.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 10:32a, 7/24/24
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Foreverconservative said:


There was no less than 5 cameras aimed up there at shooter at some point. Are we going to see more or were these confiscated.
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10:51a, 7/24/24



Iran?

[No evidence that Iran had anything to do with July 13, although there has been reporting along the lines that Iran was interested in assassinating Trump. That's a separate subject, so let's not derail this thread by going down that path; start a new one if that interests you -- Staff]
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12:01p, 7/24/24
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They should let Eli Crane lead the investigation, current representative and from what I have heard was one squared away Navy SEAL sniper.
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12:06p, 7/24/24
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The big thing that stands out about the local snipers to me:

1. Why were they inside looking out windows. They have a much smaller field of view than being on the roof.

2. They said they told the USSS they couldn't supply snipers to cover it, but apparently had them, they were just inside the building?

Did they just want to stay inside because the tin roof would be hot AF?
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 12:26p, 7/24/24
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Guitarsoup said:
The big thing that stands out about the local snipers to me:

1. Why were they inside looking out windows. They have a much smaller field of view than being on the roof.

2. They said they told the USSS they couldn't supply snipers to cover it, but apparently had them, they were just inside the building?

Did they just want to stay inside because the tin roof would be hot AF?
This here is something I have trouble reconciling. Most LEO's I know are macho type guys. If they see the other counter-sniper teams on rooftops they would not want to be the ******* who chose to be indoors because of the heat. My guess is they were told to be inside that room.

Since the building they were in was fairly high ground, why were they not on the roof of that building instead of inside it?
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12:29p, 7/24/24
The DMPS had a "collapsible stock" so it could have been reduced down six inches max is it was a true collapsible.

Now the probability of Wray knowing the difference in a collapsible and a folder is likely high.

Had it been a folder it could fit in a backpack. Collapsible not so much. There would have been eight to ten inches protruding from the back.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 12:35p, 7/24/24
Foreverconservative said:
The DMPS had a "collapsible stock" so it could have been reduced down six inches max is it was a true collapsible.

Now the probability of Wray knowing the difference in a collapsible and a folder is likely high.

Had it been a folder it could fit in a backpack. Collapsible not so much. There would have been eight to ten inches protruding from the back.
511 makes some pretty big backpacks.
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12:39p, 7/24/24



And we have confidence in the FBI?
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In reply to Texmid • 12:47p, 7/24/24
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Texmid said:
Guitarsoup said:
The big thing that stands out about the local snipers to me:

1. Why were they inside looking out windows. They have a much smaller field of view than being on the roof.

2. They said they told the USSS they couldn't supply snipers to cover it, but apparently had them, they were just inside the building?

Did they just want to stay inside because the tin roof would be hot AF?
This here is something I have trouble reconciling. Most LEO's I know are macho type guys. If they see the other counter-sniper teams on rooftops they would not want to be the ******* who chose to be indoors because of the heat. My guess is they were told to be inside that room.

Since the building they were in was fairly high ground, why were they not on the roof of that building instead of inside it?


But we know that they were asked to be on the roof and they said they didn't have the manpower to do so ...

But then they were chilling in the AC inside the building adjacent to it.

It makes no sense to tell a sniper to be in that room from a tactical sense, when their job is to be a counter sniper. They need a wider field of view to find and engage threats, which they wouldn't have from inside.
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12:47p, 7/24/24
Rooftop video shows the guys on the roof in all black full battle rattle, helmets and about 30lbs of gear strapped to their body like a character from COD modern warfare. So it remains to be seen whether them setting up out in the heat played any factor in this. But people lugging around all that are typically looking for shade.

All the DHS grant funded tacticool gear in the world won't save you if you can't stand a post.

Based on the evidence we've heard to date this was a failure of fundamentals.

Two guys abandoned their coverage and some kid snuck up and popped 'em.

Also from today's testimony it seems like the USSS wanted full command and control but then failed to deliver. Mailed it in, sounds like.

But back to the point of why they weren't on the roof in plain view is inexplicable. The sight of a sniper team on the roof acts as a visual deterrent under the basic and fundamental concept of "officer presence." Nobody is climbing the gd roof with someone stationed on the roof.

So why weren't they on the roof? Who knows but it makes no logical sense.
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In reply to drcrinum • 12:49p, 7/24/24
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drcrinum said:



And we have confidence in the FBI?
The people that ran Crossfire Hurricane?
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 12:52p, 7/24/24
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Rooftop video shows the guys on the roof in all black full battle rattle, helmets and about 30lbs of gear strapped to their body like a character from COD modern warfare. So it remains to be seen whether them setting up out in the heat played any factor in this. But people lugging around all that are typically looking shade.

All the DHS grant funded tacticool gear in the world won't save you if you can't stand a post.

Based on the evidence we've heard to date this was a failure of fundamentals.

Two guys abandoned their coverage and some kid snuck up and popped 'em.

Also from today's testimony it seems like the USSS wanted full command and control but then failed to deliver Mailed it in, sounds like.

But back to the point of why they weren't on the roof in plain view is inexplicable. The sight of a sniper team on the roof acts as a visual deterrent under the basic and fundamental concept of "officer presence." Nobody is climbing the gd roof with someone stationed on the roof.

So why weren't they on the roof? Who knows but it makes no logical sense.
Further, had they been on the roof, they could have seen a shooter on the watertower. And vice versa.
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In reply to drcrinum • 1:01p, 7/24/24
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Crooks was not in any of the agency's "holdings."
New vernacular alert.

First time we've ever heard this term used in this manner. Can't recall a time where a suspect was referred to like this.

Q: Did you know about the guy?

A: No he was not within our holdings.

If this was some dialogue in a movie it would be struck from the script as confusing and ambiguous. Bizarre.

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In reply to drcrinum • 1:05p, 7/24/24
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And we have confidence in the FBI?
Only ONE of the two was "referred"?

And the other one? A stern talking to?
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In reply to drcrinum • 1:10p, 7/24/24
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And we have confidence in the FBI?
W

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Gut every government agency. Gut, then completely overhaul. With right wing patriots. The tyrannical leftist experiment has failed...time for a pendulum swing. This makes the blood boil. Truly frightening...especially when you remember that the FBI is the agency that tried to conspire with Big Tech and Media to rig/influence the 2020 election.

F em all. Is there a good FBI agent at this point? How can a good person work for such an evil corrupt anti-American organization?
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In reply to Ag with kids • 1:10p, 7/24/24
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Hard for Wray to refer himself for disciplinary action…
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And we have confidence in the FBI?


This is incredible and disgusting at the same time. These agencies need to be gutted and completely reworked.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 1:11p, 7/24/24
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Quote:
Crooks was not in any of the agency's "holdings."
New vernacular alert.

First time we've ever heard this term used in this manner. Can't recall a time where a suspect was referred to like this.

Q: Did you know about the guy?

A: No he was not within our holdings.

If this was some dialogue in a movie it would be struck from the script as confusing and ambiguous. Bizarre.



Conus holdings, not going to check their offshore accounts.
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Hard for Wray to refer himself for disciplinary action…
Touche
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In reply to MarkTwain • 1:21p, 7/24/24
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Foreverconservative said:


Couple observations from this body cam.

There are two backpacks at Michelles feet and I am assuming the larger is her medical bag, which should make the smaller one which appeared early in aerial photos to be the shooters. Again its my professional opinion a typical AR is not fitting in the bag wo standing out.

Since this is body cam did the other TAC officer also have body cam?

And most importantly where is the footage of the officers moving the weapon, assuming they moved it away from body?
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 1:31p, 7/24/24
Is Michelle the EMT that looks like she just dropped in from Fallujah. Remembered her biohazard gloves so props for that.

SS guy says "i'm trying to get clear information relayed back to DC." Which seemed to be the priority. Typically you want to get the situation stabilized then send an update.

Also seems like the SS guy keyed on the guys bike and backpack left with the bike. So It stands to reason that the guy and his bike were already on their radar.

So the fact that the guy rides right up on a bike with a bunch of crap strapped to it like he Ezelle is concerning.

A kid riding up on a bike will all his **** is absolutely wild.
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Quote:
SS guy says "i'm trying to get clear information relayed back to DC." Which seemed to be the priority. Typically you want to get the situation stabilized then send an update.


Trump was long gone, and they're standing around the shooter who was approaching room temperature. Seems pretty stable.
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SS guy says "i'm trying to get clear information relayed back to DC." Which seemed to be the priority. Typically you want to get the situation stabilized then send an update.
Trump was long gone, and they're standing around the shooter who was approaching room temperature. Seems pretty stable.
Seemed like an exigent priority by the way it sounded though. Also off that you got the people in command and control that had been watching the guy for an hour according to the timeline and testimony. But here you got the SS guy trying to lead with questions scrambling to figure out what's going on like he just showed up. No leadership the whole time until after a couple people are shot, and only then do we demonstrate our authority and confidence in dealing with the local cops while standing on a roof.

Whole video is odd. But glad they released it so we got something to talk about that's not speculation.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 1:47p, 7/24/24
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Or maybe you're just reading way too much into a tiny snippet of video lacking context.
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In reply to GAC06 • 1:49p, 7/24/24
A video lacking context is all we got.

So any port in a storm.

Also note that it looked like Michelle standing too close to the edge of the roof. They already had a couple people shot on their watch so they don't need Michelle falling off the gd roof.

The whole scene looks pretty lackadaisical. That's all i'm trying to point out.
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drcrinum said:



And we have confidence in the FBI?
from Loomer Tweet

"So in other words, we have FBI agents who are working at the agency responsible for the investigation of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump who wanted him dead."

She's projecting. He just said two agents were upset the attempt was unsuccessful. That does not mean they're working the case.
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drcrinum said:



And we have confidence in the FBI?
Only ONE of the two was "referred"?

And the other one? A stern talking to?
I believe the Congressman asked if anyone at the FBI expressed disappointment that Trump survived, not specifically about agents at the FBI.

Wray replied by saying that there were a couple of incidents in which one person said something Wray thought was inappropriate and that person was referred to "internal affairs."
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Ag with kids said:
drcrinum said:



And we have confidence in the FBI?
Only ONE of the two was "referred"?

And the other one? A stern talking to?
I believe the Congressman asked if anyone at the FBI expressed disappointment that Trump survived, not specifically about agents at the FBI.

Wray replied by saying that there were a couple of incidents in which one person said something Wray thought was inappropriate and that person was referred to "internal affairs."
Seems like he was forced to acknowledge that because someone has likely got evidence of it.

That's not the type of question you ask unless you already know the answer.

So here we got a Congressman and an FBI director on the stand doing gamesmanship.

Roy lays a trap and Director doesn't fall into it is what we seeing here.
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 1:58p, 7/24/24
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JFABNRGR said:
Foreverconservative said:


Couple observations from this body cam.

There are two backpacks at Michelles feet and I am assuming the larger is her medical bag, which should make the smaller one which appeared early in aerial photos to be the shooters. Again its my professional opinion a typical AR is not fitting in the bag wo standing out.

Since this is body cam did the other TAC officer also have body cam?

And most importantly where is the footage of the officers moving the weapon, assuming they moved it away from body?
Regarding the local sniper team, if you will watch that video at about the 1:19 mark, you will see the 2 story portion of the building where the local snipers were situated in the background. It would have been better if they had been on the roof of that 2 story building, but they could see the roof of the rest of that building looking out those windows. Unfortunately, they left their post to go look for Crooks when their local compadres reported a suspicious person walking the grounds. It does seem that the "too hot" excuse is why they opted to stay inside, but everything would have worked out had they stayed where they were. However, I'm not sure that the Secret Service made it clear that they needed to be responsible for that roof (if that is what the advance planner thought was going to happen). In the end, it probably all comes back to poor advance work done by the agent out of Pittsburgh assigned to this task (who I believe was pretty new to the job).
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